PonchoTheWizard

I just read through the post "Important! - Nobody On This Forum Is AWAKE". There was discussion of why Leo is AWAKE opposed to everyone else. There was also some discussion eluding to what AWAKE and Understanding means. I'm curious as to why Leo is even bothering to argue with folks on the forum about what he is talking about. It's clear to me these things need to be experienced (correct me if I'm wrong). Leo is not explicitly releasing his techniques, particularly with the use of psychedelics. I'm resolved to piece things together by scouring through various forum posts, blog posts, and videos, however it seems clear to me the most value Leo can provide is giving us specific techniques that he has been using (and putting that information in one place). I'm talking the drug, the dosage, the route of administration, a word on harm reduction, and how one can have an effective trip in regard to Understanding. I understand these variables will vary widely depending on the individual. Simply sharing what he has been doing himself would be sufficient value. Leo eluded to a course that depicts his techniques (presumably using various psychedelics). Where is this course? I understand the need for survival and I'm happy to pay a reasonable price (sub $250). *A note to Leo- I appreciate your work and your purpose with helping others to understand is admirable. What's more important than getting this course released? If you want folks to understand, give us the specific techniques you've been using. I understand you prefer the medium of video for this kind of stuff, however I want you to know written tech sheets would be a significantly more useful medium to deliver the information. Let us know how we can help, you have a lot of people who could benefit from your sharing.

@Droo_ Thanks droo... sounds like 25 mg of each is a good starting point. Also seems like challenge tests should be avoided if you suspect you're highly toxic.

Very happy to see Leo release a video on heavy metal detox, however I am left with some confusion... 1. It says specifically on Andy Cutler's website (here) to avoid DMSA "challenge tests" at all costs, as is poses a huge risk to those who are actually toxic with mercury as well as saying the results aren't very meaningful.... the Mercury Detoxification Manual recommends 10 rounds of ALA as a test (starting with 25mg and doubling each round). 2. Leo made it very clear that one should start with 25mg of ALA and work up to 200 - 250mg over 10 to 20 rounds. It was, however, a little ambiguous as to how much DMSA you should start with. He said you should take 30mg per kg of body weight per day (less if needed). Can anyone help me understand how dangerous the challenge tests really are, and if just doing the 10 rounds of ALA is a poor way of gauging if you are actually toxic or not? I would also like to understand what dose of DMSA you should start at... it seems like the 30mg per kg of body weight is something you would work up to, right? Thanks everyone

@Girzo Glad someone is sharing minty on here! Nearly impossible to source the required components in my area, so I've given up on the e-mesh.... very envious of you mate! For those interested, Minty also has some great reports on vaping in tandem w/ MAOIs.........

@acidgoofy @WaveInTheOcean Gotcha. I did a little more poking around on the Nexus / Reddit and it seems plugging can produce mixed results. Some profound. Some not. I read a few reports of people plugging without a potentiator & while there were effects, they were marginal. I think the best course of action for me is to try plugging with a harmala extract & then move on to enhanced leaf / changa if that doesn't work out.

Please excuse my ignorance- 1. Can N-N-DMT fumarate be plugged without an MAOI / harmalas? 2. Has anyone broken through using a bong & a quartz banger? 3. (Besides e-mesh) What methods of vaporization have you had success breaking-through with? It seems the "Direct E-Mesh" method is by far the best means of vaporizing, but sourcing the components has been a real struggle (especially with the PACT Act). At this point is is very improbable I will be able to get an e-mesh. I really struggle to use the bong / banger & don't really want to burn through more product trying to figure it out. I had a little success around 2 years ago using a YOCAN evolve plus, but I never got close to breaking-through. At this point I'm thinking an MAOI (Syrian Rue) + plugging is going to be my best bet if I can't figure out how to fucking vape this stuff. Any insight would be greatly appreciated....

@Space @Thought Art @Leo Gura Much appreciated! I will report back for the benefit of others once I spend a few more weeks (or months) testing.

This chemical eludes me... any insight would be greatly appreciated. This last 5MEO trip I plugged around 20mg (if you've seen Leo's plugging vid on the blog I have the same micro-scoop and used 2 scoops). This was in the morning shortly after waking up. I had not eaten anything since the prior evening. I am confident my plugging technique is adequate at this point. I left the syringe in for 60 seconds after plunging & felt the effects almost immediately after taking the syringe out. The body load / nausea was profound & I had to lie on the floor for a good 30 min. The trip itself was... empty. My thoughts did not change at all. My experience was still deeply rooted in the ego just like any other morning would be. The come-up was rough, but manageable. There was a good amount of anxiety, but I did my best to let go and was confident this dose would not harm me. By "rough" I mean the nausea was intense and I felt very sick. The psychedelic effect was marginal. Felt a bit intoxicated despite the complete normality of thought. Very minimal visual effect (like wearing new sunglasses). It felt like there was no substance to this trip whatsoever. In fact, all my trips with 5MEO have been like this. I've had very good success with other psychs (especially home-grown mushrooms). I feel no desire to pursue 5MEO further, as the body-load is very sickening (no one likes being sick) & the experiences themselves have been utterly empty (besides the horrible fucking nausea, of course). At the same time, I feel as though my experience with 5MEO does not match experiences I've read here and elsewhere. My questions: Do any of my experiences sound familiar, or am I the outlier here? I am having a hard time finding what the toxic dose is for plugging. How much can I plug and know I'm not going to hurt myself? At the moment, I do not have a reliable scale. Any suggestions? Or should I just stick with the micro-scoops? I am in the process of acquiring a "direct e-mesh" vaporizer for use of DMT. Is vaporized 5MEO as effective as plugged? Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks fellas.

@acidgoofy Gotcha, thanks

2 Questions: A. Do I have 5-meo? Marketed as fumarate. The product is white-tan. Looks like a fine sand. Doesn't smell like much. B. Is purging normal? 3 trips total. First 2 were underwhelming due to being low doses & sub-par plugging technique. 3rd trip was significantly more potent (was a larger dose & my technique has improved). Was still far from breaking through. Very nauseous. On the floor the first hour. Did not purge, but am very confident I will purge w/ a larger dose. Is this normal? The experience was reminiscent of a shorter LSD trip. When I was younger I would use LSD heavily and purged every trip.... Thanks in advance...

@narkuser @flowboy Thanks fellas

Hello~ Would this be ok to use as the main chelator per the Andy Cutler Protocol? Thought someone here might know better than I do... https://nootropicsdepot.com/r-ala-cyclodextrin-complex-powder/ Also- does anyone have experience w/ chelation in tandem w/ strength training? The interrupted sleep seems like it would be significantly deleterious to recovery during the detox days....