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@m0hsen yea that's really a nice explanation i got that. Yeah it make total sense now. Thank you!

@James123 I don't know if the lost in translation happened here as it common in this topic, but i don't got that properly. Yes but what is the substance for this thought -> pure nothingness, right? Pure awareness is nothingness. Thought cannot comeout of something right? Nothigness is needed to show something. If there was no duality something should be appeared in my deep-sleep or in coma cause nothing = something, so in this case non-duality is not happened. Cause nothingness provide a hierarchically top role in sort of way. Like nothingness produce something if nothingness produce something these two are dualities.

@m0hsen okay so what remains while I'm in deep sleep?

@James123 yes what I'm typing is something right although it is in nothing but this is something which appears in nothing right? While I'm awake even tho there's no me but my thoughts are appearing in the pure nothingness right? So how can there be a duality?

@Tim R i mean it is what non-duality mean right everything should be collapsed into one. So how it could differ? Also leo also said many time nothing and something are both identical. So how the separation seem to happen?

@Tim R sorry, my question was not clearly phrased. So I'm curious that in the state of deep sleep nothing exist as pure nothing so howcome the nothing = something. It seems like nothing is always with something but nothing alone stands without anyother thing. So howcome something = nothing? In otherwords it seems like nothing needs nothing to be itself. But something has nothing in it. So how nothing = something?

@meow_meow for me i just realized nothingness by doing this simple technique called neti-neti. It's very simple and powerful. So this is how it goes. Do you see any things? Example I see chair is the chair me? No I'm not the chair i can be aware of the chair. Okay am i the seeing? No I'm not seeing itself, I'm aware of the sight. Okay am i the thought? No, I'm aware of the thought so awareness and the object cannot be the same. Okay am i the awareness itself, watch out its a thought and you eliminated it who are you then what you're left with. And yeah super important thing is whatever you become aware of it is not you becuase you're the one who's aware of it. You gotta realize this and you would have that insight that you're nothing! This worked super fine for me, hope you get it! cheers!!

@Forestluv Yeah sure, that would be great! Thanks for your insight!

Have you guys ever tried Breathwork and you tripped or do guys ever went into mystical experience. what it felt like? Did got any insights in that? Personally i tried breathwork once for 1 hour 30 mins straight & i never went to any mystical state but i felt more relaxed and my body temperature cool down. It is said that if you try breathwork for more than 45 mins you have higher chance to trip so it didn't worked out for me. So what's your thought? Do you think breathwork is as good as self-inquiry for getting insights on reality? And yeah there are so many youtube videos on DMT breathwork, do you guys think is it legit?

Yeah, i did had tingling sensation all through the body but no shift in conscious and that's the reason why i had to do it for that long. Also i had chest pain while doing it so i stopped. Yes maybe i didn't do it intensely enough. I just went with the flow. @GreenWoods Thanks for your insights!

@Heaven Thanks for your insight!

@Kalki Avatar I think you should watch Leo's video about cult. Then reconsider the idea!

@Heaven dude how u realized god through contemplation or through psychedelics? Btw I'm happy that you realized god that's so cool. My spiritual journey is just all about to realize god for now that's my milestone. Would you mind sharing how was it?

Yeah, nice documentary!

@John Doe my conceptual model is everything as you described but this time the real subject is all of the previous self, touch sight and all. So the last circle is not only the source but all of it. So if you round the entire model and calling it true subjective or objective, it is sorta of my model.

If nothing = something, like if these both were identical and if Consciousness is nothing. How's it possible to be aware of conscious itself? Won't it be that nothing would be something? Not denying the existence of the pure nothing but wondering how could one be directly conscious of that nothing?

@Raven1998 @Kalo Thank you guys! You guys are such a boost, let me go and do some work. I think i get some understanding, so let me run!?✌

Lol, you're imagining that pizza place too. JK!?? yeah i definitely misunderstood nothing. Thank you so much @Osaid, you really made it clear! It's infinite and thanks for nothing.?

Hmm, yea makes sense. Thank you, leo! So this is nothing not the unattainable no-thing.

@PureRogueQ oh, then how would you describe it as?

@Osaid yeah, i get that. I'm aware of that pure nothingness presence in a certain level like intuitively but how can one be directly conscious of this conciousness. So "mind" bending! Correct me if I'm wrong but, it said like nothing is the source for everything. If this is the nothing which is the source for everything, how non-duality is possible?

@PureRogueQ so is it possible to be directly concious of this conciousness? Or to be this pure nothing

@PureRogueQ yes, yea i aware of the fact its beyond logic and words. But I'm wondering whatever i think of nothing it won't be it and whatever i feel it won't be it and whatever i experience it will be also not it. Then how's it possible to be directly concious of this nothing. Also funny enough if I'm conscious of this nothing then it will be also not it because its in the conscious.

@mandyjw lol,yes its so weird.

Okay, recently i had the experience of noself and it was absolute peace when i contemplated the nature of it. But then i wanted to know if I'm nothing than what is this all objects. And I'm having trouble while not seeing the results and not getting answers and i doubt myself so hard and i wonder if i can break through and also fetch the realization. I am really very impatient person & i like to get things fast. But this frustrates me a lot. Also while looking some of the videos for reference I'm really having trouble and i go full on doubt myself especially like actuality vs concept. Like when i had the realization of No-Self, i didn't had any actual experience of nothing but rather i had the idea or a logic that if I'm the perceiver, i cannot be any object sorta way. On the other hand i wanna realize all the truth, but i lack patience and I'm dealing with lot of self doubts. What would be your advice? And please share if you had any similar moments you had while doing this and how you overcame it?