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@Koeke just watch your thoughts without judgement and completely accept them without judging and let go. Let go by letting go of the idea to control and accept it as it is. Don't add stories just watch them and let go.

????? ???????(No duality between the subject and object):- ????????:- Basically i thought, if there was no me then who observes all it turns out everything is pure beingness. There's no subject and object.

I'm going to post my journey and how i came to spirituality and also i would talk about my mistakes, struggles and some of the techniques worked for me. So stay tuned! I kinda love oxymorons, so i think this title fits my style!?

My Thoughts:- First of all this insight really shocked me as this insight came after my I'm everything realization. But my second realization(I'm everything) was faded away after sometime maybe because i kinda slide back into normal ego oriented works after sometime. I didn't have a nice grip of it as nothing, right now. Actual Insight:- As previously mentioned there was no self to observe or as pure being, I'm both the cases and i wondered what is a thought and who observes it as turns out thought is not observed by anyone or thought is just pure being as tho as a chair and i came to realize Leo's experiment on drawing the line from the perceiver to the perception turns out the line cannot be drawn as there was no self. So as though there was no separate self which is observing which turns out as pure subjectivity or pure objectivity. P.S:- Even though i realized this, i kinda having a hard time accepting to the fact this is true and I'm coming up with all the reasons why it's not true. But the truth is powerful that it turns out nothing i can do about it. This really freaked my ego, didn't expected that!??

So i really had a rude awakening after watching lot of contents lately & i realized how important meta skill really this is. So apart from war on sense making share your high conscious resources you gotta on epistemology and share some info on where should i get started! Cheers!

@Andrewww well, isn't it so obvious. When did you ever had happiness apart from you, it'll be always from you. The item never made you happy, it's always within.

@Sahi96 from my understanding model, yes the depression, sadness and hopelessness all exists only because of love. Cause if reality don't accepted it, it can't be there. Existential Love means completely accepting the thing merely for itself, which is this love and reality never deines a person who is going through depression, it completely allow itself to be itself. This is what universal love means. And also in the relative level it is correct too, the depressed person only feel depressed because of his love for his identity. Depression = love!

Is that possible to realize infinite love or infinite concious and just to have an encounter with god just by meditation alone also to realize why reality exists this way and not other way? Yeah i would also love if i can take psychedelics but unfortunately i can't take it due to so and so. So stop tempting, I'm desperate about the fact that i can't take it. So stop it.?

@nistake hey thanks for the advice ?and yeah its a relief to know its possible to access those states while sober. I'm gonna try to experiment with all. Wow, lol! I'm mindful of that and i kinda practicing letting go, so I'll keep up in the mind!

@Leo Gura yeah, I wanna know it no matter what and I'm curious about how long will it take or how much work i have to put. Gotta set some proper expectations and work ethics towards it.

@Vision i mean in my pov it fits so well together. Take this approach the stages until red are all about the psychological needs. From blue to orange are always about a security and don't trying to go away from their safety net and their own attachments which is safety for their identification. Green is more like social and accepting every views. Yellow they develop their sense of self and this time their esteem needs met, so no any external validity means for them. Finally, turquoise is all about knowing themselves which is the ultimate reality. Yeah its my way of interpreting not so objective on that but i seem it fits together well.

Each and every stage has their own similar needs look at the psychology needs down below and compare it with the sd stages and the lower the stage the lower level their needs is. As simple as that! For an orange person they have to fulfill their material needs and they should ensure their safety, so it'll stop them from pursuing enlightenment if a person valids their own safety more than reality. And it also true that nothing is good or bad with these stages. So nothing bad or good in pursuing safety or enlightenment.

Yeah, does anyone ever tried giving the dog 5-meo mixing with their food, ofc joking. ??Lol, i wanna know how would animals would react to psychedelics.

Some tricks that i use to boost my progress while doing inquiry :- Reducing my screen time and information consumption, on the day when i gonna do inquiry. It helps to calm the mind down. Intention is 100% must to get to know what you know so don't sit back and see everything. You also have some intent and search for it. Willingly not using mind and grounding in the present. Before getting a direct experience, i specifically try to know the pointers and conceptual map. In this way, so i can hold on to it when it occurs. (Trying to logically figuring out won't work so careful on that). Logical knowing is not equal to direct experience of it. Before doing inquiry i do some mantra chanting and also some pranayama breathing. ????? (Some Unorthodox ways) :- So l personally i saw astrology works great with my life and i used it as map to abstractly understanding for example 12th house represents both psychedelics and spirituality so it made sense how things are abstractly classified with one and other. So the main thing is before i try to do these practices i always repeat the the mantra of my 12th house lord's nakashtra placement or activate it by drawing the 12th house lord nakashtra animal. Also i mostly try to do in the hora of my 12th lord and i seen it directly whenever i try to do meditation in the hora of mercury i simply can't able to do it and it is really difficult to do in that specific hora. Those are my bonus tricks!

@m0hsen Yes yes it is pure being!!??

@JonasVE12 yeah, thanks for clarification.??

@Adamq8 ??Yes yes it is, that's what i realized but I'm calling it as pure beingness. As it suits my flavour.

?? ????? ??????? (Nothingness):- ???????? :- so basically i came to realize this Nothingness by asking this question of who's the observer and by using neti-neti method to tap into it. As from this technique if I'm able to perceive or see or hear things that's not me so what am i nothing pure nothing. ?????? ??????? (Everything):- ???????? :- Basically i thought nothing is something and i tried to capture this but this so not how it was. Nothing is this entirely this not separate from me. And also i had this insight nothing is not different from something. Something = nothing and this is a tautology. (Something = nothing) = pure Being .

So the question is, In the state of sleeping or in the state of coma, it seems like the pure nothingness alone exists. Like seriously no time, no objects, no external world. But a pure nothingness. So how come this nothing = something. It seems like nothing is inherited in every objects/time/external world but that something is missing isn't it? Let's assume you're sleeping at 9PM and you wake UP at 5AM, in these between period you as a nothing you existed right? In between these stage as pure nothing from 9 to 5. So in this case if something = nothing. There was no something in the 9 to 5, i as the awareness existed as pure nothing. So is this prove nothing differs from something?

So what are those limits and how can one can be better at systems thinking like, what are the methods.

@Carl-Richard like boiling down things to the root of the cause and manipulating from it or understanding. like if you think of growing an good apple. You should disect everything and looking it from the 1st emergence phenomena like in this case a good soil and then a plant and then the apple. Like from that you start to understand how you can get a good apple or bad apple.

I just forgot i made this post, lol! @Rilles Yeah systems thinking are really fun to play with and also as you said you can't able to exhaust in one life time. @Gesundheit Thank you. That are some outstanding analysis! ? ? @Username hmm, major thing to consider. @aurum I'm not even close to beginner level in system thinking. I was always a 1st principle thinker through out my life, i just wanna know what's the deepest thing down there. But system thinking seems easy to manipulate and also effecient when compared to 1st principles thinking, in this context. Instead of coming from one way i can choose from any different pathways to get the result via system thinking. Wondering which stage would be the 1st principle thinker would be?

@allislove ??

@Valwyndir Hmm, that was really so true. I never experienced unconsciousness and never will experience cause if you're unconscious how can you experience it, that's the point. No way to prove or disprove!!! But I like to think or tell a story or to believe I was there present as pure nothingness when I'm sleeping or in that stage. This kinda give continuity more possible from other person's pov. Yeah making it complicated. Yeah there are no separation from oneself and other from consciousness but from individual mind it do. Wait there's no individual mind. Wait there are no people also no me and also wait, what the hell. I don't know. Yeah maybe there was never unconscious state. How sneaky maybe i never slept actually, what's the point if i never slept if I'm trying to sleep everyday. Non-duality is so strange!!

Woah, not yet directly aware of it yet!? I'm a newbie so go easy on me. Interesting how could be it nothing??