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"These Buddhists" lol. With this type of arrogant approach you're just going to turn a lot of people off. You've already turned me off. You're playing a game of one-upmanship. It's crystal clear to anyone with a modicum of spiritual experience.

Interesting, thanks for sharing. Idk why but I'm way more interested in bad trips than good ones, lol.

@The Rainmaker A hammer is a tool. A psychedelic is an entity. You wouldn't call a horse a tool, either. I've benefitted enormously from them as well, I simply believe that they're not going to ever wake you up. @Gennadiy1981 You still come down from it. And Salvia still wipes the floor with it, whatever it may be. 5meo may show you that you're God, but Salvia shows you that even that is a delusion. Salvia shows you that the only thing you can really say about reality, is nothing. It breaks every concept you have, including God. There is simply nothing left to say after that. In short, Salvia shows you that nobody knows anything, we're all a bunch of idiots really. And you can go full Leo and say, oh well that's just God imagining things. Well, no. It's not. It's too mysterious, too powerful, too alien, and too ancient. It's a force that transcends our best guesses. And God is just one our best guesses. Enlightenment does the same. It transcends our best guesses.

Yeah. I disagree that they are tools. Like I said someplace else, they are a means to experience a magical conversation. You don't necessarily get insight from this conversation, you might, or you might not. In my worldview, psychedelics (along with all other substances) correspond to a specific immaterial entity. The substance simply bridges this world and the other. And the bridge is where the communication with this entity takes place. It's all very meta. The point is, you won't get anything in return, other than directly experiencing that this type of thing is possible. Which is still quite a lot, considering our normal state of affairs. Enlightenment, however, goes infinitely deeper. Enlightenment is breaking of all bonds. It is absolute freedom. And it can't be defined. It certainly can't be taught. And there is no algorithm for how to get there. The way that can be wayed is not the true way.

If you're doing meditation for self-improvement, you're doing it wrong. Your problem is you want to improve. The reason why you don't improve is you want to. Instead of trying to please your ego mind, do the following. Let go of any ulterior motives, as much as you possibly can. And only then meditate. And then you may realize what meditation is really about.

Veganism.

Your answer is a combination of yes, no and maybe. Pick your favorite.

DMT isn't predictable and can easily show you the deepest hell imaginable. Meth, heroin, etc. are fairly consistent. I expect that's one of its selling points.

@Thought Art You are of course free to form and hold your own opinion. Mine is that we're watching a slow fall from grace. I used to be a huge fan of Leo because he dug deep into metaphysical subjects that few others have dared to navigate, I enjoy existential philosophy so I enjoyed his content. Ever since he's started touting psychedelics as a means to an end I've become more and more put off by his "teachings". It simply doesn't rub me the right way. I've done extremely potent psychedelics. Nothing anyone could ever say would convince me that what I experienced on Salvia can be surpassed by any substance in this world. And yet I've come to a conclusion that psychedelics are a distraction. They're not what you think they are. They're not here to awaken you. In fact they will confuse you in the long run. This is why it's important to hang up the phone once you get the message, because otherwise you'll be stuck glued to the phone, and you'll never realize the truth for yourself. Personally - and this is my own personal take, take it or leave it - I believe that "God realization" is ultimately just another distraction. If you were truly God realized you would simply kill yourself because there's nothing else to do. The real deal is the endless mystery of it all. This is painted beautifully in this Zen saying: You may wish to ask where the flowers come from, but even the God of Spring doesn't know. This implies even God is clueless.

I believe the opposite to be the case. Leo hasn't fully grokked it, and now believes he simply knows it all. And this is dangerous because it will put many of his followers in a state of confusion. Not knowing is more potent than knowing. Realizing that you don't know is Humbleness. Realizing that you know is Ego.

This is what scares me about Leo. He thinks he's the only one in history who's ever took a psychedelic and experienced mystery up close. Reeks of spiritual ego. If you belittle every teacher who's ever walked this Earth, and claim you are somehow superior to them, then maybe you don't really have the whole picture. Maybe you're just suffering from delusions of grandeur, which by the way psychedelics can easily induce even in strong headed individuals. This is why I prefer Eckhart Tolle and other more traditional teachers. Eckhart Tolle never claimed he's Neo. In fact he'll make himself so small that you seem grand in comparison. Whereas Leo does the exact opposite, tries to belittle literally everyone that isn't him. It's all very suspicious. This is how cults start. No hard feelings but this behavior of "I know all" is raising strong red flags for me. It's said that the more you know, the less you know. First verse from Tao te Ching reads: The tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal Name. The unnamable is the eternally real. Naming is the origin of all particular things. Free from desire, you can see the hidden mystery. Caught in desire, you see only what is visibly real. Yet mystery and visible reality arise from the same source. And the mystery itself is the gateway to all understanding. This is in direct contradiction to Leo's teachings where he tries to name everything, and tell it all, and I'm leaning towards not being able to take them seriously anymore.

I appreciate your point of view, I really do - but I disagree. Only low doses of Salvia "turn you into an object". Large doses simply show you what's beyond infinity. They show you things you aren't ready for. No one is. I agree, and one day you realize that chasing experiences is your ego's doing to begin with.

Lol. Yes, three hits of 80x salvia makes all other psychedelics look like children's toys. I don't care what it is, Salvia wipes the floor with it. Please note that I do not recommend taking it. What Salvia has ultimately shown me is that even this whole God consciousness shtick is just more masturbation. It's a good masturbation but ultimately it's masturbation. If you think the mystery ends at God realization, you don't get it. There is no end to the mystery. There can't be, otherwise it wouldn't be - God.

Sometimes wisdom looks like foolishness.

No. I don't have to experience any other substance to know that Salvia is more powerful. Salvia is the edge limit for what your mind is still capable of perceiving without actually killing you. This is not debatable in my mind, even if you believe it should be. @GreenDragon You make a lot of assumptions. Whatever you think awakening is, you can be sure it's not that. Psychedelics are a potent, magical conversation. That's literally what they are. The fact that you're not conscious that that's what they are, doesn't change things. You won't get anything from them other than magical conversations of various flavors. 5meo is just one of those flavors.

@Thought Art I would argue that you have no experience, having not experienced Salvia.

@GreenWoods You're wrong, there is no such difference. If all is one that applies to everything, not just things you cherrypick.

Nope, but I have taken Salvia. And you still don't get it. Collapse the duality between meditation and psychedelics, what do you get?

@GreenWoods I disagree that psychedelics wake you up. I disagree even that they are tools. They are simply entities which you choose to interact with, they offer an interesting chat but that's about it. You're more than this. You're more than even God because even God is a concept. You are beyond concepts, and that's the whole point. And you don't need psychedelics to awaken to this fact. The only real use for psychedelics is when someone is stuck in so much ego concrete that nothing else could possibly ever shake it from that position. In one sense they appear to be useful for our western civilization because we've all strayed so far from the ineffable truth that we sometimes need a stark reminder of our true powers. But this power is yours already, you've just forgotten about it. Even in Leo's own language, you're the one who's inventing these psychedelics. Do you understand that? You are more powerful than the substance.

I disagree with it because spirituality isn't about chasing potent experiences of amplified reality or even journeying to other worlds. Those practices have their merit but they are not the main course to the meal.

"You"? In reality, there is just seeing. It's not something you can conceptualize because your conceptualization itself is part of seeing.

I don't believe in spiritual work. You either see, or you don't. It's very binary.

No, it's a stepping stone. And it's not a requirement. If you try to use them as vehicles for enlightenment, it won't work and it will result in frustration. The problem goes almost like this. In the course of your life, you need to make friends with your ego so that it willingly lets go. If you try to destroy your ego with force from psychedelics, it will keep coming back stronger, and stronger, and stronger, until it will devour you whole. It's just a matter of time. Psychedelics are a spice, not the main meal.

Salvia and Datura are both extremely powerful entheogens that shouldn't be messed with unless you are a shaman and know exactly what you're messing with. You need to be able to talk to plants (in a literal sense) to qualify. The vast majority of people should stay away from these. Take LSD or whatever. It's safer. Salvia is the strongest substance I've ever tried by far, and it swiftly ended my psychedelic career by showing me that 1) I don't know shit, 2) nobody knows shit and 3) no amount of consuming psychedelics will change those facts. The experience was so reality shattering that I didn't have a need to take another psychedelic since then (except for a tiny dose of LSD I did recently) - and this was more than a decade ago. The experience made a breakthrough 10g mushroom trip seem like a cup of coffee in comparison. It is beyond this world and will show you things that you shouldn't know exist. Literally. You can get stuck in a time trip where your subjective experience will feel like weeks, months, or even years, even though as far as your "physical" body is concerned, mere minutes have passed. I'm not even remotely joking when I say this is not a substance you want to fuck around with, especially if you haven't been properly trained in shamanic techniques. Many still choose to use it for fun, but in my opinion they are extremely unwise (like I was) and don't know what they're messing with. Salvia won't kill you, but she will show you things you're not ready for and it will be so intense you'll never want to do a psychedelic again. As for Datura, stay the fuck away from it. Queen Toloache is famous for her hostility towards trespassers and lack of care for what happens to you. On most psychedelics the substance seems to borrow you mystical power that seems to make circumstances work in your favor. You get no such comfort on Datura, you're completely on your own, and usually royally fucked. You do not want to enter her sacred grounds uninvited. She will not hesitate to send you straight to the depths of hell or fuck your life permanently. The folk wisdom says that if you do not receive her invitation directly, stay away. She only shares her wisdom with those who she personally invites.

So you can accept there's some water in your water bottle, but you can't accept there an ocean out there?