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Don't take those unless you know exactly what you're doing. They can indeed invoke transcended experiences but you have to know how to prepare them, and from most trip reports I've read and heard about the experience is typically not enjoyable at all, the experience is more like a shamanic rite (which is what it was used for in certain shamanic cultures). It's not a classical magic mushroom in that the primary psychoactive compound in it is muscimol and not psilocybin like with "classical" magic mushrooms. Please be careful with these.

I get your point @Carl-Richard. I wonder if you get mine. FWIW I do think that most people should get vaccinated. Most people are too stupid to even bother with hygienic protocols during a pandemic, so I'm not surprised the virus is spreading like wildfire in certain parts of the world. I'm extremely careful when it comes to hygienic protocols precisely because I do not want to cause pain and suffering to others, I minimize the chance by avoiding people in general. But I'm also a recluse who lives practically in the middle of a forest and I spend the vast majority of time by myself. I consider myself a special case in that regard. If I was a normal person who had the burning need to chit-chat with others while sipping coffee in a public place or had a job that demanded close contact to many people every day, then yes, I would get vaccinated as well.

@Carl-Richard And I'm here to tell you that a vaccine mandate goes against basic human rights. Quoted from https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/policies/manuals/Documents/consent-section-6.pdf

You can easily kill someone while driving too. Let's all stop driving so this doesn't happen.

@Carl-Richard I didn't even once in this thread post anything against the vaccines, or claim that people shouldn't take them. My one and only point I've been repeating over and over again is to allow each individual to decide for themselves. And sure, some people may be massively uninformed, but from my direct experience those also happen to be the people who take the vaccine without putting much thought into it. @Nobody_Here No, I offered it as an analogy since I lost a couple dear friends to pharmaceuticals. I would never listen to a psychiatrist's opinion personally.

GMOs already saves millions of lives, privileged or not. I still avoid it when possible.

GMO saves millions from hunger. It could well be argued that GMOs save many more people from dying than vaccines do, yet there you are, skeptical of them. Here's my suggestion. You should try to actually understand why some people don't fully trust vaccines, instead of calling them dumb. Calling people names won't ever solve your problems. and I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve here by trying to insult others. I design complex systems. I probably programmed some code that you've run on your computer. Stop patronizing. I know a lot of extremely smart people that refuse to take the vaccine. They work in various scientific positions. According to you, they're all dumb. As I've said before, I don't mind if people choose to take the vaccine. For me personally, as a healthy adult, I'll take my chances. I prefer my immune system deal with the virus in the natural way than pump something into my veins that I don't personally trust.

Well, I avoid them because even though the scientific consensus says they're perfectly safe for consumption and they save millions of lives, my intuition says otherwise. Same exact thing with the vaccines.

You call others dumb for being skeptical with regards to what they put into their veins. Yet you probably avoid GMOs like the plague. Hypocrisy?

The scientific consensus on GMOs is that they're safe for consumption. So why do you avoid those?

Apparently they will start testing it in 2025. If this shit works, humanity gains a near infinite source of clean energy and we can solve most of our problems overnight. And if it doesn't, we still have nuclear. 4th gen nuclear is extremely safe and humanity should be jumping on it instead of relying on medieval age methods.

Make this work, and you solve it overnight.

Well, then let's stop instilling common people with the sense that they're both responsible for it, and that they're the ones who should do something about it, and let's actually address the issue at the source - the corporations pumping all the CO2 in the atmosphere.

I don't think we will ever gain an understanding about what fundamentally drives the whole thing. We're simply much too stupid, and this knowledge isn't compatible with us, it's not meant for us. Sure you can get an insight in deep meditation or psychedelics, but in the end you still don't know anything, and at some point you have to face your own not knowingness. Two of my favorite quotes from Castaneda books (which are also my favorite books in the world) talk about this: "The world is incomprehensible. We won't ever understand it; we won't ever unravel its secrets. Thus we must treat the world as it is: a sheer mystery." "For an average man, the world is weird because if he's not bored with it, he's at odds with it. For a warrior, the world is weird because it is stupendous, awesome, mysterious, unfathomable. A warrior must assume responsibility for being here, in this marvelous world, in this marvelous time."

The world is an endless mystery and should be treated as such. As a kid I got into extremely weird states of mind by contemplating on how come something exists rather than nothing. If you think about it long and hard enough, you're going to get this funny feeling of absolute and profound mystery, and we will not unravel it.

I'd much rather see humanity come together and solve the plastic problem. Why does every single thing I buy need 3 plastic wrappers? Why could people in the past come to the market and simply use a woven basket to collect whatever they needed, meanwhile we need to wrap each individual tea bag into a separate plastic bag? It's extremely retarded. @Girzo Climate change is an issue and it is problematic, but don't for a second be taken in by the alarmist media who make absurd and one-sided claims, like claiming natural disasters as proof that the world is ending, when 100 years ago we have records of worse disasters back when the CO2 levels were at 290ppm. They make very disingenuous and out of context claims on a daily basis which easily fool the non-scientifically literate (and even some who are scientifically literate get taken in by the mass hype). I mean in one sense it's good that they're ramping up the fear campaign, that's how you get people to move en masse. But on the other hand they cause untold psychological trauma on a massive scale with this type of behavior. It's not all bad either, CO2 will likely make the planet much greener as a result. And if you look through history, the really bad times for humans were the cold rather than the warm periods. Basically any actual scientist you talk to will tell you that it is a problem, but it's not nearly as big as what the media portrays. Meanwhile if all you do is listen to the media, you can easily get stuck in thinking that the world will end in 5 years in a hot fire and it will melt our faces off. It's brainwashing in the literal sense, and I'm not sure if this is such a good strategy, to scare everyone out of their minds.

Master comes when student is ready. You should look closely at the fact that you're trying to obtain mystical experiences. Who is the one that is trying to obtain them? Your main problem is you think washing the dishes isn't a mystical experience. Sometimes to find something you need to stop searching.

You watch the news too much. There hasn't been a single period in history where there wasn't some group of people claiming apocalypse is just around the corner. The only difference being that with our current technology, these messages get massively amplified to the point where people get stuck in despair based off nothing. There's plenty of climate scientists who disagree with the so called consensus, yet you never hear about those, because good news don't sell too well. CO2 is supposed to be this massive problem, yet nobody cares to tell you that water vapor is by far the most dominant greenhouse gas in our atmosphere, in fact it covers almost the entire spectrum of CO2 absorption, with only a narrow band from CO2 pointing out. And that's supposed to control the global climate, really? My best advice to you is to literally stop watching the news so much. Historically, every single prediction has turned out to be wrong. And even if somehow, by some impossible chance these doomsday predictions turn out to be true, humans will adapt and survive. We're very capable in that regard, more so than any other organism on this planet. We literally have the technological capability to block the sun in the form of injecting aerosols into the lower atmosphere if it ever came to that. Stop wasting time on worry and enjoy your life instead.

“What we have to do is begin to build a consensus about this realm. And, you know, this may be heresy in a community as oriented toward tradition as this one seems to be, and the generally pleasant position to take is that everybody has a piece of the action. You know, the Hasids know something, the Buddhists know something; the Book of Mormon, there’s something there. The mushroom was incredibly ungenerous on this point. It said: “Nobody knows jack shit about what is going on.” - Terence Mckenna

I don't see the world ending over it.

Alan Watts spoke a great deal of this too. There are no birds, there is just birding. There are no houses, you can say that the world is just "housing" in certain places, and that's all that's happening.

There literally isn't. But you don't have to die physically. But for enlightenment, one thing is certain - your ego needs to die.

Doesn't take much to show your true colors @Recursoinominado. And here I was thinking you're even remotely capable of being respectful towards another human being. My option is to ignore your opinion and not take the vaccine.

You know. I'm gonna share with you the deepest, most profound truth of life that you've ever heard. You're not going to believe it because your ego is going to protest, and protest hard. But I guarantee you this is the real truth, and the highest teaching. Here it goes. You're chasing experiences. You're chasing profound states of mind. You're chasing changes of consciousness, and you want to be on the bleeding edge of so called understanding and knowledge. You want to have magical powers, and be able to control life. You want to unravel the mystery of your existence through either arcane experiences, or some type of logical endeavor. Here's what an enlightened person does. They wake up and they wash their dishes. They go out and chop some firewood. They take a walk and come home and meditate. They breathe in and out. They have unending gratitude and unending wisdom about life, and every single second of their existence is spent in perfect ecstasy and perfect gratitude, and perfect understanding. See the difference? You're the one who's trying to escape from the mundane. What if I told you that the experience of the mundane is precisely what's necessary for your enlightenment? What if I told you that a Buddha who's doing the dishes is experiencing ecstasy on the level that you wouldn't experience if you smoked all the DMT in the world? That they have access to arcane secrets of the universe simply because they become one with the act of washing the dishes? What goes around comes around. If you walk long enough you come back to the same exact place. Enlightenment is right in front of your nose, always has been. You don't need anything, you only need to drop your personal self and your egoic desires. The world of magic is one millimeter away and will wait for you even if you decide to journey onwards and upwards until hell freezes over. Enlightenment will wait for you when you come back. Maybe you'll tie your shoes one day and realize that the act of tying your shoes is more profound than the strangest experience you've had on psychedelics. Funny, innit.

@Recursoinominado Maybe if you had worked on some actual scientific research in your life you would appreciate just how much of it is bullshit, random walks and best guesses. It's easy to pretend the experts know it all, especially if you lack expertise in some scientific field yourself. They don't know it all and a lot of the time the experts are simply wrong, and their opinions are invalidated over time. Which is why you should always use your best judgment, and not trust anyone simply on faith, not even those that claim the highest authority. My scientific background gives me a lot of insight into how things work in the real life. Those same experts you trust have colleagues that disagree with them, but you never hear about them in the news, because like you, the media likes to play the game where reality is black and white and there's no grays in between. Only one sided opinions fly, everyone else is labelled various names and ostracized. Take the vaccine if you feel that is the right course of action, I will not stand in your way or claim that your choice is wrong. But I expect the same from you. Don't call people stupid and claim a moral high ground because you think you're justified to make choices for other people. I have my reasons for my own choices, and many others as well. If I respect your choice, then you should also respect mine. If your best shot at convincing others is shit slinging in the form of low intelligence memes, then maybe you're the one who needs to rethink your approach. Because this won't get you anywhere, you're just gonna end up frustrated and angry.