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@Nivsch I've definitely noticed myself becoming more and more triggered by Orange, will tells me that I'm making the transition to Green. I have enough Yellow in me to mostly identify it, but my core is still very much Orange-Green. I think my introduction to Green was through the criticisms of Postmodernism from Jordan Peterson, Areomagazine, etc, so it's taken a while to let go of that toxic fear of Green enough to actually begin growing into it.

I think talking about anything above Turquoise is a little bit mental masturbatory. The fact of the matter is that we just don't have enough development, on a large enough scale to be able to talk about these things. An entirely new stage of development is no small thing to come into existence, and some have even argued that statements made about Turquoise aren't necessarily accurate. I've adopted the mindset that I need to worry about cleaning up my lower stages before I can turn my attention to the higher stages. You can't build robust structures on an unstable foundation.

@StateOfMind We're recording the first one later today, then mine probably next week sometime. I'm not sure if it violates the rules on self-promotion, but I'll try to post it if I can. And I would say the most foundational course you could ever do is Leo's Ultimate Life Purpose Course. Ever since doing it I have immense degrees of clarity and purpose. You'll know exactly what the next step is.

@tsuki I wasn't trying to call out any one person, I'm just making it clear because I think it's an mistake many people make.

I wasn't exactly sure if this was how you guys were approaching it so I am making assumptions here, but enough people have done this that I think it worthy of mention. A few of you guys are saying, "I don't even find those women attractive." You don't need to denigrate a person's attractiveness just because you don't find them attractive or are trying to oppose unrealistic beauty standards. This is like the people who will say, "oh curvy women are REAL women, nobody likes a skinny bitch." That completely misses the point. Again, I apologize if I'm misinterpreting things here, but just wanted to put it out there.

@Tildae00 I agree with @neutralempty on this one. The dichotomy between socialism and capitalism is very much a Spiral Dynamics Tier 1 type of thinking. Tier 2 is a Both/And approach, finding a synthesis of two seemingly disparate systems to form a newer, better metasystem. I highly recommend the books, "The Listening Society," and, "Nordic Ideology," by Hanzi Freinacht. The first book is basically introducing his version of Spiral Dynamics as well as the Metamodern philosophy that epitomizes the Stage Yellow ethos, and underpins the new politics. The second book actually goes in-depth on what that politics is.

How do you recommend one act?

@StateOfMind I started by doing a lot of research into the Stage Purple mindset. I rewatched Leo's video on the stage while taking a lot of notes, read several blog posts, researched the concept of Ubuntu, did a little more research. Then journalled about my own experiences with Purple, where I thought I went right and wrong, and why. I basically just created a very robust and in-depth model for Purple as it applied to my own life and upbringing. Then I did 2g of B+ mushrooms and had that model ripped apart and sewn back together haha. I'm still in the process of making sense of my insights, but I'll be doing a podcast with a friend of mine soon. I've only done 1g and 2g trips so far, but I will say that I got far more from 1g. I think 2g was too much to really be able to catalog my thoughts well enough in a notebook (I didn't at all). I obviously don't know for sure, but I feel like larger doses are for far more esoteric questions and 2g is just touching the edge of that. Although that friend recently did 2g and had a mystical type experience. She's a she and weighs much less than I do so that very well may be the reason. Either way, in the future I'm going to be doing much more research into the stage (in this case Red), and probably stick to 1g for integration trips.

I think what Yellow I currently have has shown me that I need to go back to the roots and build myself back up. I recently had a mushroom trip to help me integrate Purple and it was extremely beneficial.

@Etherial Cat I would think it's the hyper-masculine connotations. Anything masculine must be taken to the ultimate extreme. Very Stage Orange 80's action movie. They can also use testosterone as a means of justifying it. Evolution favoured men who had high testosterone and high testosterone correlates with a strong jaw. In the bodybuilding community it's believed that using the steroid trenbolone will increase your jawline.

@Carl-Richard Yeah I can't argue with you there. I do think Orange is a little less absolutistic in the sense that they open the door to being wrong, or updating one's worldview. With sufficient evidence an Orange will do so, whereas a Blue would be much less likely to. Although, obviously, the holy books can be reinterpreted to fit the new narrative the Blue needs. So I guess the point is that at each stage there is a certain degree of absolutism, they aren't absolute in their absolutism lol

@soos_mite_ah I definitely like your distinction between manipulation and tact. The issue though, is how do we distinguish between genuine care and selfish intent? A Stage Blue may manipulate their partner into bowing to purity rules out of genuine care for the admission of their immortal soul into Heaven, not realizing that this may create intense shame and the subsequent consequences on their mental health. I've seen the different stages' conception of God/Truth explained as waves of secularization. First was the secularization of animistic spirits in all things to the Gods of Things, from Purple to Red. Then secularized to the God of All Things (Blue), then to Objective Reality (Orange), then to Language/Society (Green), and then to Yellows understanding of all perspectives as being equally valuable, just at their own level in the Spiral. Yellow may be the least selfish because it allows for the bird's eye view and the true multiperspectivalism needed to understand that their is no ground upon which we can base our distinction between genuine care and selfish intent. They are the first to really grasp the topic from the perspective of the person in question. Again, this can backfire, as no one is perfectly aware of what another's goals may be, but they are still in the best position to do so. I wrote this just before bed, so the morning will tell if what I said makes sense lmao.

@Hardkill He said, "it's not just the body."

@ColeMC01 Stop wasting your mental energy making excuses for why it's harder for you. That's not the way to success in game. You are the hottest guy there and every woman would be ecstatic to meet you. Be so confident in yourself that the Chads wish they looked like you.

@Luc1nda I'm really sorry for your loss, that must have been extremely difficult. Losing motivation in a time like that is perfectly expected. You've got the tools now though, so you can start taking action again and get closer to those dreams! All the best

I'll add to this by mentioning a friend of mine who is very much Stage Blue. He saw the limitations with Stage Orange materialism and so regressed back into Stage Blue, became a born-again Christian, the whole works. When you hear him talking about women, you'll first kind of nod your head and say yeah okay you believe that modern society objectifies women, makes them view themselves as sexual toys for the use of men, etc. Then he'll start talking about how his definition of a good woman is intelligent, educated, has strong inner values, modest, respects her body, doesn't have casual sex, wants to be a stay at home mom...wait. Point being, sometimes someone can appear to be a Stage above by criticizing a certain Stage, when in reality you just haven't heard enough of their opinions. I feel like an issue with a Stage Yellow guy (or woman for that matter) may be that they manipulate for what they believe are good reasons. They may backwards rationalize their manipulations from a place of genuine care for the emotional well-being of the person, and have the proper systems thinking and education to back that up, and yet they are still engaging in manipulations and so it may backfire. I'm honestly not sure if that would apply to Yellow though. What are your thoughts?

These are the same people who will say women will never find Henry Cavill or Timothée Chalamet attractive because they have "prey eyes," because their eyes slant outward instead of inward. Those poor guys...they'll never know what's like to be desired by women...

@Luc1nda My advice to you is to read the book, "The Slight Edge," by Jeff Olson, as well as watching Leo's video on, "How to Stop Backsliding." Key points, start with a small goal. If you haven't been able to get into consistent meditation, I highly, highly recommend you do so. Just make the goal 10 minutes when you first get up. Sit upright in a chair so you don't fall asleep and focus on your breath. Once you've got that down, try to increase it to 20 minutes. That'll be one of the best habits you'll ever implement.

That's exactly why I use the blockers. It's not that I can't get any work done, it's when I start feeling just that little bit too bored and I decide to click on a video. Then the rabbit hole consumes way to much of my life. I think they're great to get started, but I've come to conclusion that rely on them way too much. So, as I said, the process of learning that willpower has begun.

I used to struggle really bad with anxiety and using technology compulsively, still do if I'm not careful. It's something I continue to work on. Both my roommate and I have been using website blockers and other tools to prevent ourselves from using timewasting technology. The first is the Kitchen Safe. It's a timed lockbox. You can set it anywhere from 1 minute to 12 days I believe. I set it up during the week, and during the day on weekends, with my TV cords inside. That way I can only watch TV weekend evenings. Also, there is OpenDNS, free software that you can setup on your computer to block certain websites and categories of websites. I make another account the administrator on my computer and use a random password generator for a 14 letter password. I use this for the administrator account, and for the OpenDNS account. Then I send that password to a future date using futureme.org. I recommend just going for a week at first, just to make sure you work out any kinks. Obviously test it before you send the password and lock everything up lmao, but you may miss something you only realize during that first week. Either way, now I send it a month or more in the future. I can't use youtube, reddit, etc. Then, finally, I get my roommate to lock up my iPhone using screen time, and I lock up his. That way, there is no way for us to use it for time wasting stuff. I've been doing this for years, and it has been amazing being away from all of that useless bullshit. You unplug and have no other choice but to work on other things. Read books, watch high quality youtube videos you've downloaded, meditate, journal, etc. Be on the self-improvement path and get a lot of shit done. Again, being away from timewasters (that are likely making your anxiety worse) will help you do those things to begin tackling your anxiety without medication. I'm now at the point where I have very little anxiety in most situations. Night clubs still do it for me, but once those open up I'll be doing that. I've also begun slowly taking those blockers off. First with this website actually. I want to start exercising the willpower to simply avoid these things without needing to have all these systems in place. I'm going slow and learning to keep my use restricted to breaks. Once I feel confident I have that covered, I'll open it up more. I hope this helps you. It's a very draconian system, but I and my roommate have taken a lot of benefit from it.

I use the Kitchen Safe to hold TV cords during the week. It's basically a timed lockbox. I watch movies, usually high quality, on weekend evenings. I also use OpenDNS, a free website blocking software for youtube, reddit, and other similar timewasting websites. I recently allowed myself access to this forum because I need to develop the willpower to use tools effectively. So far I've been using it well, though I could cut back a little. I have 50 minutes of work, followed by 10 minutes of break and I've been respecting that. Honestly, the vast majority of technology I use is to quarantine off unconscious use of technology lmao.

Have you sought professional help?

Absolutely, and that's kind of what I meant with interests aligning. I've been on dates with women who are high school educated and are super into what I'm talking about because of the energy I bring. Then I've been on dates with very educated women who just don't vibe well my energy. The one that came to mind when I wrote my other post was very much the Fast and Furious, Vin Diesel kind of woman haha. Just not my person, nor I hers. No hard feelings.

Thanks for the introduction to this word lmao I don't think that's a bad thing, but intelligence isn't the only thing. I've been on dates with intelligent people who are successful in neuroscience classes, but just don't like the same topics as I do. To them neuroscience is just a job and nothing more. So you could potentially date someone less intelligent than you, but if their interests align then you can still have a great relationship with them.

@SirVladimir The opening will hook you right in. Probably the best introduction to a book I've ever read. I got the audiobook, the narrator is one of the best.