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I see it as existence being conscious.

Yeah, if every thing has infinite value it means that nothing has more value than anything else which is the same as saying that nothing matters. Exactly! ?

Isn't that the same thing as nothing matters and having no value though? ?

Exactly. Some needs are being fulfilled or else you wouldn't stay in it. With that logic though you'll be stuck in the relationship forever. At a point it's time to let things go. When is of course for you to decide. ?

Yeah, it takes alot of courage to admit you've made a mistake. If I were in there position though I would feel relieved that you had come to me and asking for help to get out. I'd help you in a heartbeat. Maybe there's some internal resistance in you that makes it hard to reach out? I know I've had a hard time to ask for help when I've been struggling in life. Basically it's been about pride for me. "I can take care of myself" mindset. Maybe there's something else for you though?

Exactly. ? It's subjective. Truth tend to slip through your fingers when you try to explain it. What's true for you right in this moment? You investigate into it. You see directly and all explanations about it is second hand knowledge. ?

@ivankiss Yeah it's all about who you're talking to imo. Some are open to this and some not. If I think they are open to it I'll mention that some things real and other things are only thought and that this work is grounding yourself in whats real, this present moment.

In what way would it be a huge loss and difficult change? By believing that you are creating a hurdle for yourself out of thin air. It's basically your mind playing tricks on you. Have you ever feared doing something, like talking in public, which wasn't really that big a deal? You laugh over the fact that you were so afraid of it before. ?

@UpperMaster If you just blindly believe what Leo is saying it would be a very shallow understanding. Then all you could do is just parrot what he's saying but it won't really have an impact in you own life. If you instead try to understand what he is saying and see where it fits in your own belief system. Work on all the question marks you have about it. Then it will be more integrated. You won't just believe his words but understand what he's saying. Maybe you won't agree fully or maybe you will but he will not have any authority over you. An even deeper understanding is connecting it to your direct experience. This is highly important when doing spiritual work. When someone is saying anything spiritual then you need to investigate into your own experience and see whether it fits. It won't be true to you until ypu realize it for yourself.

You're welcome. ?

@Keanu Here are some ideas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SE5O9tjqMo&t=2

@Gneh Onebar It's a new way of being and can feel terrifying in the beginning but you will soon find your way through this. ?

@Phil777 god loves full stop.

Maybe, maybe not. I guess we'll never know exactly. ?

Yeah, I don't like it as a teaching. Or it should be used with careful consideration as a teacher. For those people who have been conditioned to push push push it can be useful to relax/ease into things a bit. But for some it can be more helpful to use "seeming effort" as you said. Yeah, what I said earlier was not meant as a teaching but rather a description of the experience of day to day life here. I guess you could describe it as doing whatever that feels 'right' from moment to moment. That's not to be confused with what feels 'good'. More like an intuitive feel of where the boat is leaning and moving with it but there is no conscious effort of doing it. I'm struggling with putting it into words as you might tell. ?

Would you say that it's like the same consciousness having different lives or different personalities having the same life?

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Yeah definetly. I don't know if you'll resonate with this but at a certain point the ability to push yourself to do things goes away, life will naturally unfold by itself. You do the things you do because that's what you enjoy doing. And if that is personal development or anything else it's not really up to you. ?

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Alien consciousness is a bit alien to me. Care to explain?

To wallow in it is playing more victim. Forgive yourself and learn from your mistakes. When that is done it's time to move forward. Take opportunity of the time you have left in this life.

This one made me giggle. ?

@LfcCharlie4 Very well said! The most important aspect is that it doesn't end with the awakening. It's that awakening is the beginning and there is no end. I like how Adyashanti puts it. - Enjoy yourself!

Use when you say that it's not real, does not exist, is an illusion etc. etc.