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@Butters If you are in to spirituality for finding truth I see no reason to waste your time on these things. Use it for spitual practices instead.

@Gligorije I think, therefore I am. Descartes premis is that there is a thinker, but the thinker is either part of the thought or another thought taking ownership of the first thought. Non duality says that there is no thinker, no subject which has ownership of the thought. So no they don't go well together.

Yes I know what you mean. There is that here but there is still some reactivity left. From the "knot" in the gut that says "NO" to certain experiences. If I'm making sense?

You express it well. Bravo. Because there is no separation between awareness and the thought yes. I can see that what I expressed wasn't pointing exactly to truth. Thank you.

A thought arises and passes. Is that what you mean by a stream? Then yes the stream is an actuality (I would use occurrence).

So what happens now? That question, where does it come from? What wants to know what happens?

Stream is a concept, a thought Thought is never aware. What is aware of thought?

@Victor Mgazi Im not searching for anything. Just here to help. Don't believe it's finished.

@Victor Mgazi mm yes I know what you mean. The question was not as much for you to answer me but more a question to ask and answer for yourself. Is this true?

@Victor Mgazi what sees the thought?

@Ingit Let the meditative state carry through to your ordinary life and if the negative thoughts take over do something meditative again. If you can't, just accept that they are the no need to struggle with your thoughts.

Maybe you will maybe you won't. It's not inevitable just uncertain. No need to worry of this in advance.

Is there a stream of thought or is that also a thought? All attempts to define truth is not truth itself. Yes. I don't follow.Can thought be aware? Yes truth is quite difficult to explain isn't it?

@Victor Mgazi Now nothing. Any movement to a future event or questions coming up is a movement coming from the mind Read this thread. https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/2328-mind-attacks-after-initial-seeing/#comment-22552

@Faceless That sounds complicated. From which of the five senses and thought does this come from?

There is no recognition that these questions come from any other until mind comes in. The words appear on the screen here and now. That is it really.

I wouldn't say realization and identification with the mind is the same thing but after the realization mind did try to grasp and reject the realization. For me it was quite active but gradually has become more and more silent.

@Faceless An awakening of mind is the awakening from mind. I don't mean that the mind awakens. You realize what you truly are. Which is nothingness or whatever word you wish to use. Yes That is a good description of what the experience of it is. It's funny you mention it in that way because Lisa Cairns describes it in a similar fashion. I remember I never really understood that when I watched it but now it really resonates with me.

I did a 3 hour long strong determination sitting and the glimpse happened the day after. I've never done meditation as a daily practice so the 3 hour sitting was quite a shock for the body. I basically sat in my computer chair the whole day and watched the sensations in my body rise and pass. I'll send you a link. No I've never done psychadelics and didn't have a meditation routine. I did have a surrender practice which I did continously through each day. It was hardest in the beginning (first month) and then gradually became easier and easier. It's good to be as prepared as one can be. Mind can use that against you though once you awaken just so you know.

@SoonHei There are to my knowledge three different types of awakenings. Mind, heart and gut. Awakening of the mind is the realization that you are the everpresent silence (nothingness). Awakening of the heart is the merging of the experiencer and the experienced (oneness). Awakening of the gut I have not yet experienced but to my knowledge it has something to do with life being a game. So when you say ego death. Yes ego death at that level. But ego still is left at the other levels. After the first glimpse of oneness there was for me a swinging back and forth between a state of oneness and separation which after about a year stabelized in oneness. I guess the ego can dissolve totally at all three levels at the same time in one single experience but that is probably one in a billion chance and if it were to happen the person probably wouldn't go mad but have a hard time to embody the change.

@Shanmugam Cultist are cultist and whether they worship a living being or an idol it is still from the same paradigm. How can we help them move from that paradigm in the best way?

@SoonHei When the experiencer and experience merges into one then there is oneness. The Experiencer dissolves. Then there is no longer a distinction between what is inside and outside.

@Salvijus Thank you for sharing!

@Chriztian It starts out with self interest.

@kieranperez You start to move away from these concepts after realization. Reality starts becoming more and more dreamlike so the whole concept of external reality does collapse. While there still is a person/body there, and from that perspective there is an outside world, what you realize is what you truly are is everything. So from that perspective "external" seems ludicrous.