WelcometoReality

Yeah it's funny how that seems to work. When we're in flow there is no perceived time. It's only after we go out of flow, when the small I "wakes up" (?), that we recollect how much time has passed. Oh yeah. Distraction is the key to its survival. But the fear is always there in the background. ? I distracted myself for years but why prolong the inevitable? ?

What exactly do you mean by this? I do perceive "time" a bit different than I used to. I might have a memory of doing something but it's hard for me to remember which day I did it. It could have been yesterday or 2-3 days ago or a week from now. I also don't always remember things that are out of my daily routine but that problem seems to have become better. Seems like the brain needs some time to restructure after the realization but it will get better. ?

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@Razard86 That's a great insight. Thank you for sharing it with us. ?

Who is god? Ultimately noone is god but there can be identification to thought-feeling patterns that claim that it is god. These patterns tend to fall away but can be held as true for quite some time.

Yeah, memory is "attached" to the body in the form of thought so memory can't be it. Can you find any separation between the now and consciousness? To me it seems like they are the same thing. At the same time there is a connection to the body in day to day life but in certain states the body disappears and there is only consciousness present.

Isn't the now eternal?

I'm not trying to discredit you. Don't you think what I said previously makes sense at all? ? Couldn't it be that way? Or is it completely impossible?

That awareness is aware of itself.

After you had your "solipsism" realization things looked completely different than before right? It seems so clear that the bubble is all there can be and you can't imagine why you believed in an outside world. What if there's a realization of no self that you haven't realized yet? And after you can't imagine how you could have believed that there actually was a self that was experiencing. I know how contradictory that sounds so please don't get stuck on the words. ?

If you want to talk about direct experience then go deeper into it. What I mean is that you don't know what I am talking about so your projecting that onto me and saying that I don't know what I am talking about. But this discussion has degraded into some sort of quarrel which I have no interest in. Enjoy yourself and good day! ?

I mentioned it because of what you wrote above. If it's not helpful then leave it aside. Neither you nor I are talking about direct experience here. We're talking about conceptual knowledge and that may or may not be derived from my own experience. You are assuming it's not but you don't know which do you? Perhaps this is all projection on you part.

I was just stating two extreme cases because we were talking about the illusiory nature of the world. I'm not saying you should renonce the world. Pizza is too good imho. ? This wasn't meant as advice and perhaps it was a bit reckless of me to talk about such things.

Why does it sound like flipping a coin?

There's two ways to go after that realization. Embracing or renouncing the world. There are examples of both. Jesus embraced it. Ramana Mahashi was more of the type that renounced it. He would probably have died if he hadn't been taken care of by others. Those are the extreme examples of course. Everyone will need to find there own path.

Yes it's normal. The swinging back and forth between clarity and confusion tend to happen in the beginning. Just let go of wanting to hold on or resist any of the states.

If your definition of real is that it hurts when you put it over a flame then yes it's real. In the levels of consciousness thread there was some people arguing that what was real was that which was unchanging meaning consciousness. And that appearances come and go and is therefore illusiory/imaginary.

You see your hand and think that it is real or imaginary. Whether you think that the hand is real or imaginary the thinking is layered on top of your seeing of the hand.

All conditioning will have to be faced. Every dark corner inside you. But you can just let it go. Some things can be harder to let go of and then you might find yourself in hell but it's just because you are unwilling to let it go.

Every thing is an egoic projection. Fear is a thing.

Maybe it's because you see others as real but believe that they are an illusion?

Certainly a great thread. Some very well pointed pointers here. ?

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Stop running and feel the pain fully. When we stop, the pain is only temporary but if we run from the pain it will continue until we do stop.