WelcometoReality

Have no one talked to you or been around you since you were born?

You can still identify with the contractions in your body

Ego is far more than thought. That's why I said that there still is work to be done but that depends on how far you want to take this until it isn't.

The ego is simply identification with certain thoughts and feelings in the body. When you no longer identify with those it no longer is "calling the final moves" and that energy movement starts to fade away.

That could be the case. It could also come back after a week, a month or a year. It usually does but there are cases where it doesn't come back at all.

I dont understand what you're saying. Could you explain further?

@beastcookie Check out david r hawkins book power vs force.

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Yes thoughts are not a problem and not emotion either. The notion that something is a problem is in fact a thought itself. So that is thought saying that thought is a problem. This is seen through when you awaken from thoughts. Experientially there is no longer separation between what is perceived and the perceiver. It's one and all is happening within the one. You can't even say that because that would imply separation between the one perceiving and the perceiver. Even though this is experienced there can still be identification to the feeling/contractions within the body which is based on the separate self. The ego momentum can be there emotionally. When you awaken out from that the contractions are no longer expressed/identified with. You see them as energy contractions in the body and let them sit in the body. This is where we define ego differently. The body has it's own preferences. It prefers pleasure over pain. The taste palet is different from body to body. Some might prefer fish others steak others vegetables. I don't define that as ego but you do. I'm not saying anyone of is rightor wrong. It's just important to note these differences in definition. The ego as I define is the energetic movement of a separate self. Thoughts, emotion and the deep seeded existential NO. Not all thoughts and emotions are based on the separate self, only 95% or so. ? That seems like a great deepening into THEONE. To me this deepening has happened over the last 4 years but it always feel complete. You can't imagine how this can go deeper but it always is. It's a true wonder. ? I agree, depression and lack is an epidemic that most people suffer of. And they are not aware that it's there own creation. Truly heart breaking to see. <3

Thx for listening to it mate. Yeah there definetly is clear differences in the way they teach. Yeah the seeking energy stops when you awaken. There are still contractions of this separate self within the body after awakening and the practice then is not to seek for full enlightenment. That would be delusion. The practice is to relax these contractions as they come up. Thank man and good luck to you too.

Yeah I'm glad too. Thanks for not putting a knife into my heart. <3 ? Ego is illusionary but it is in the body as thoughts and contractions in the body. After awakening seeking stops and the practice changes to untangle these contractions within the body. By doing that these contractions start to fade away and the ego diminishes. It becomes more and more subtle. It makes sense to me that the complete dissolving of these contractions feel like a death. I call this Awakening, but the ego is still there (at least for me). The separation is gone but the separate self energy or contractions in the body remains.

Could you listen to part 2 from 5:45 to 7:15? No to me it's not the same thing. He explains it there, so could you listen to it so I don't have to type all he is saying?

Ah but now you are assuming that I'm seeking that which we talk about. I'm just stating that the death hasn't happened here.

Awakening has happened already but not the death that he refers to in the video. I'm not donating to any guru and have never done so. This has been done on my own. You seem angry. Why is that? "You see, brother, life is imagination. If you imagine that you are not awake, then you are not awake. If you imagine you are awake, then you are awake." That's nonsense.

Im not talking about seeking. When you awaken you wake up to here and now or THIS. And the sense of self falls away. That has already happened here. But not the death that he talks about in the video.

This is something I'm experiencing already. No inside or outside. And the separate self falling away further and further. Thats not what im talking about. Watch the video I sent veganawake to see what im refering to.

Do you actually know that though? Maybe you haven't reached full enlightenment? I know thoughts and emotions still come up. Here is a video about this that I'm refering to

@WaveInTheOcean I mean the identification with thoughts and emotions. Thoughts doesn't completely dissappear. The I-thought might disappear when full enlightenment happens that I don't know.

Ok, there is a point on the journey you see them as illusiory but they still come. What would we call the point where they all have left the body, which I believe is the classic definition of enlightenment? It might be confusing to call both enlightenment.

Probably not. ? What if there's two fingers pointing to different moons though? ?

Yeah, that would make it easier to communicate. What is your definition?

@SeraphimTheres an energetic feel to the words written and you can feel where it comes from if you are open to it. It feels dreamlike and that everything is happening without a self directing the actions. So true. If you wonder where you are on the journey there is still work to be done. All questions arise from the separate self and the journey after awakening is seeing through the illusion of it.

Yes it does have an sleeplike quality to it. Like it is just happening without anyone doing an effort. Now this ordinary consciousness that came back, the sense of self that feels like it wakes up. That is the ego. That is going back to the dream state. The dream feels real and awake feels like sleep.

I'm not talking about mahasamadhi. The body can function without the ego. It will act more on a instinctive-intuitive level. I would describe ego as a thought/feeling-based energy. That conditioning is in the body as contractions. Once you see these contractions and not act upon them they start to dissolve.

That's good. There's definetly been an awakening I'm not doubting that. An awakening brings a feeling of completness and it is in a sense true but many believe that an awakening means that the work is done. Seeing that the illusion of the separate self is not enlightenment. Enlightenment happens when the separate self completely dissolves in the body. And there usually is blind spots where the separate self still lingers.