WelcometoReality

Yeah I like that. I'm not a christian myself but I have found great advice about life and about finding truth within the bible.

Great! How has that changed your life?

I don't know if this applies to you but from my experience with people that talk loud is that they are feeling insecure about themselves and are overcompensating for that by talking loud and very willfully directing the conversation to where they feel most secure.

@OBEler Are you afraid of being questioned and wrong?

@Vajra What is your practice or practices?

You recognize that your mind has been wandering after you've become present again. With 'time' it will get easier to remain present. ?

@Someone here what do you need to know? You do what you do and learn on the way. ?

@Someone here There can be a fear of not knowing what's going to happen, which is an egoic projection. It creates an event somewhere in the future and needs to know the outcome. That is an illusion. Once the illusion is seen through there is no longer any fear and then there's a freedom in not knowing. You can do whatever you want to do without needing to know the answer to every question that might come up.

I've tried it but not as a routine practice. ? Great for developing some equinimity to uncomfortable feelings I reckon.

Things comes and go, is born and dies. That's how it is. Any reason to why is simply to make you comfortable (or uncomfortable) with the fact.

Noice, then how do you stop resisting your current experience? ?

How do you love more?

It didn't sound harsh to me. ? In fact I share your opinion about it. I have a family, house and job. I live a pretty much balanced life that you talk about. That said I see it as a subjective opinion. It was the "right" path for me and see nothing wrong about someone choosing to meditate in a cave for 20 years. I get your point though and I think it's great that you share your view with us as a counterbalance to a more extreme viewpoint.

Yes, exactly. Further depth to experience what is. It's up to each one to decide how deep they want to go. I wouldn't say it's overrated but depends on how high they value that. If they value practicality chances are they will pursue fulfilment without.

It's used by the mind to make logical conclusions. The conclusions are not the truth itself though.

Beautiful! What more is left to seek and realize after this?

I'm not gonna make a sales pitch for any "path" but ask you if you value truth? Because that's how it all started for me. I questioned what was actually true or not. For example if you are being cut off in traffic and you say "what a d#@k". It that actually true? Or is the tree a tree? Where have you learned that it is a tree? Where does it start and end? If a mushroom is growing on the tree is it a part of the tree or are they separate from each other? It's simply an investigation into truth.

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I see it as existence being conscious.

Yeah, if every thing has infinite value it means that nothing has more value than anything else which is the same as saying that nothing matters. Exactly! ?

Isn't that the same thing as nothing matters and having no value though? ?

Exactly. Some needs are being fulfilled or else you wouldn't stay in it. With that logic though you'll be stuck in the relationship forever. At a point it's time to let things go. When is of course for you to decide. ?

Yeah, it takes alot of courage to admit you've made a mistake. If I were in there position though I would feel relieved that you had come to me and asking for help to get out. I'd help you in a heartbeat. Maybe there's some internal resistance in you that makes it hard to reach out? I know I've had a hard time to ask for help when I've been struggling in life. Basically it's been about pride for me. "I can take care of myself" mindset. Maybe there's something else for you though?

Exactly. ? It's subjective. Truth tend to slip through your fingers when you try to explain it. What's true for you right in this moment? You investigate into it. You see directly and all explanations about it is second hand knowledge. ?

@ivankiss Yeah it's all about who you're talking to imo. Some are open to this and some not. If I think they are open to it I'll mention that some things real and other things are only thought and that this work is grounding yourself in whats real, this present moment.