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Can you control thought? If you can you would easily be able to stop thinking. Also can you control what thought appears? That is a thought. No that was only a thought but not the source of thoughts. That's a thought. ? The source of thoughts can be recognized between thoughts but it doesn't speak or use words. Words come from thought.

That's great. Seems like that's the way to go. To expand the areas of your life where meditation happens until life is happening within meditation. Also gaming is quite meditative for me aswell.

Yeah, experiences happen. All we experience is thought, feeling, seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling. Yeah, my kangaroo is not serving me dinner right now. It's not what's happening it's a thought. And can you describe the nature of this "you" that is experiencing? This is thought. If that is experienced then what is "you", "your friend" and "about experiences"? How do you know that it's occuring if you are not there to experience it? Isn't that a thought? In the first "event" there is experience happening. The second "event" is only experienced as a thought so it doesn't actually happen. It's like the kangaroo serving you dinner in your first example. What is the nature of this "you" can you describe it? Experience is experience. Thought Feeling Sight Sound Smell Taste And what is the subject? So by comparing the two events: Nr 1 which is experienced. Nr 2 which is only thought. You draw the conclusion that there is a subject. But that conclusion is only a thought being experienced.

Yeah, we are but the realization is subjective. From Buddhas point of view the world wakes up and it is realized it's ONE. From your perspective that hasn't been realized.

@Neph What do you want Leo to say? If someone attempts suicide then it seems like an appropriate response to tell him to seek professional help. Mental issues can be hard to deal with and no answer that Leo makes will be adequate. When I had mental issues (depression) I went to an hour long session once a week for 2 years.

There's a time for withdrawing from life and there's a time for engaging life. There will still be preferences and paradoxically non-attachment leads to more engagement. That depends on what you want. So what do you want?

Seems like things are starting to open up. Staying quiet and resting in being might be wise.

Yeah, the ego would love to believe it's God wouldn't it. It seems like that belief has the potential to create some really dangerous egos.

Yeah, it is. ?

You're welcome! I'm a bit of a night owl myself. ?

Seems like a natural evolvement in human development. At the same time It does seem quite ridiculous that the voice was believed once transcended.

And then ther's nothing left to say. ?

@Khan 0 Good pointer. ? To question your beliefs. Do you actually know that they are true?

Yes from that perspective, without thoughts, there is only what IS which is totally unknowable. There's neither "choice" nor "no choice". No "self" nor "no self". ?

Well said. ?

Have you've ever had a thought that you want to murder somebody? Did you act on it or not? Thoughts come and go without a thinker that creates the thought but the thought can be believed/acted upon or seen and let go of.

Interesting how? ?

Surrender happened. It's not like I decided to stop trying. ? You called it nondual state of presence.

Yes a shift. The awakening was an intense release of energy. Blissful Happiness and laughter. After came alot of anger and sadness. Mostly anger. Not with the awakening itself. Awakening is only the beginning and afterwards there is still alot of ego to let go of, desire, anger and fear. No, it's only the beginning of the work. ? It died in a sense of no sensory separation. No longer a sense of self looking out from the body but the sense of self was still there in thought and feelings. After the realization the work is all about seeing the egoic energy in thoughts and feelings. Yes

Surrender happened. Real surrender is not something you do. It's the giving up. You can't decide to give up because it wouldn't be a real giving up. ? I have always had an interest in truth. But it wasn't until I had the realization that "the tree is not a tree, it just is" (realization that thoughts are not real) that I came in contact with spirituality. I got so scared by the realization because I subconsciously recognized that the ego wasn't real. The next thought I had was that I had to become something. So that led me to start with self actualization stuff, which led me to Leo, which led me to spirituality. After that maybe a year or two. That's the only big realization I had. The I am/being. And then there's the non-being which isn't a realization.

An awakening happened. A shift that continued back and fourth between separation and non-separation for a while until it was abiding non-separation.

It happened 6 years ago while writing on this forum. The day after a SDS.

Yes, one becomes aware of the struggle/intention that arises so surrender just happens without an intention to make it happen. It's felt like a giving up. The futility of struggle becomes apparent.

@RMQualtrough In what way did you not function, you said that you were walking down the street so not all funtioning was lost. I'm curious to hear what it was. ?

Why is it impossible?