Water by the River

"It's especially confusing that Artem claims that even consciousness/infinity are still levels of dreaming and not the final enlightenment, while you point to 'empty pure impersonal infinite consciousness' as the final abode in the process of enlightenment." The magic word is impersonal. Meaning no subtle "lense of perception" and any subtle experiencer left, or in other words subtle dualities/lenses arising and making the infinite field not fully syncing up in its true nondual nature. When there is still an experiencer OF consciousness/infinity, like in there is still a (often extremly subtle and impossible to spot before fulling crossing over) experiencer too much. A subtle duality preventing the full realization of ones True Identity, but doing a deep dive in its manifestation. The whole Totality/Reality experiencing itself without an experiencer is the "true state of things", and "It" doesn't need any fireworks to understand its essence. The problem is, that the meaning of that only becomes clear when it has happened, and it can not be fully anticipated or understood in any way before that happens. This last shift is impossible to understand or anticipate in any way before it happens. Even Norquist descriptions are just a preview. And Artem description of the hairless monkey is not the style I would use. But it is a valid desciption in how it emphasizes the point of the experiencer vanishing in the infinite totality of Reality itself, no longer having special importance (like a realizer of infinite consciousness) compared to the Totality that one truly is, becoming a total normie living ones life (which then lives itself without contraction, fear and suffering. Wonderful.). I prefer "empty pure impersonal infinite consciousness/Being/Reality", because hairless monkey can be misunderstood easily. And off-topic, one can be enlightened and still totally wrong on the relative level. Zen at War, Brian Daizen Victoria. Not to even talk about personality, which can have quite a "hang-over". Selling Water by the River

Of course. Peace, my friend, hm? "We" are the same Being already. Dreaming about crocodiles biting "others" is dangerous business. They even tend to bite themselves, so for sure they bite the ones dreaming them for "others": Ok, must get 100% cheesy now: You can dream about the hungry nondual crocodiles shown in the video above , I dream about nondual Elvis: There must be lights burning brighter somewhere Got to be birds flying higher in a sky more blue If I can dream of a better land Where all my brothers walk hand in hand Tell me why, oh why, oh why can't my dream come true Oh why There must be peace and understanding sometime Strong winds of promise that will blow away the doubt and fear If I can dream of a warmer sun Where hope keeps shining on everyone Tell me why, oh why, oh why won't that sun appear We're lost in a cloud With too much rain We're trapped in a world That's troubled with pain But as long as a man Has the strength to dream He can redeem his soul and fly Deep in my heart there's a trembling question Still I am sure that the answer, answer's gonna come somehow Out there in the dark, there's a beckoning candle, yeah And while I can think, while I can talk While I can stand, while I can walk While I can dream Oh, please let my dream Come true Right now Let it come true right now Oh yeah ...Singing cheesy Elvis songs by the River

That is all correct. But once one is aligned with the intention of God/Universe, the carrot and the stick are no longer necessary. How that would look like: Ken Wilber, The Religion of the Future.

Thank you. I can only give back the exact same compliment. Yaeko (after having realized Great Enlightenment): I simply can’t understand why I always made such a to-do about respecting Buddhism or anyone who had attained full enlightenment. Have I been dreaming? Harada Roshi: Dreaming? Certainly. Yet as dreams go in this world it is not the commonplace dream of most but a dream of tremendous and lasting significance, of intense absorption in the Buddha’s Dharma. Kapleau, The Three Pillars of Zen.

I understand what you mean, and know some of his statements on that. In the end, Reality is unqualifyable. No concept will do. Via negative. Not one, but one without a second. That is a different meaning, which becomes clear at a certain point.

Including you?

Oneness=Nonduality WITH an experiencer of that. Subtle identity/separate-self hijacking nonduality. Beyond that is True Nonduality with center/experiencer/separate-self gone. That is what he means.

Correlation doesn't mean causation. But strange conincidence, hm? That the awakened nondual states don't happen anymore when taking psychedelics, because they are already the case?

https://dmtquest.org/endohuasca-magic/ Stable access to awakened nondual states? And certain bodily correlates of that, like above? The main effects of psychedelics like Nonduality, Infinite Being, mere groundless appearance, eternal Infinite Being and other minor things (like end of grasping/resistance and so on) in the palm of ones hand, always available? But how the f*** could that even matter?

And to actually do that job, God needs Sisyphus. The gentleman with the rock. Luckily, God will never run out of them, since God can imagine & cosplay them. So better relax in Infinite formless Being than play Sisyphus. Infinity n+1 happens all by itself. But I guess that depends on the perspective. Some have called that Karma. Or cosplay-motivation.

? Seems this here is easier & more convenient: Maybe it would also be nice to start with the pipe of peace, and not the cartel thing.

Magic and mystery are part of their history Along with the secret of gummibear juice. Their legend is growing, they take pride in knowing. They'll fight for what's right in whatever they do.

How could Insanity be problematic?

You are falling back into old habits my friend . A primate is a wonderful manifestation. The forgetting aspect is well covered by the nondual primates, although you choose to ignore it. Utterly alien dream/manifestation/illusion. Sure, no doubt you have. It seems to confuse or gaslight (or whatever) you that not everyone gives these illusions the same importance as you do. Appearance = temporary = non-staying = impermanent = illusion = dream. Veeeery importante. Soooo fascinating & interesting. What is the fascination? Another illusion-arising. Moving in Infinite Being. Singing "thunder only happens when its raining" by the River....

“Solipsism is the idea that you are the only person who exists and everybody else is your dream. Nobody can prove this isn’t so, except I’d like to see a congress of solipsists arguing as to which one of them is really there.” — Alan Watts Maybe that would be the "Infinity-of-Gods"-conference?

That is true. Without action/meditation/practice/Awakening it is just empty theory. But since I engage in metaphysical discourse, maybe that saves me from being labeled "Buddhist"?

Thailand’s crocodile temple: huge reptiles make themselves at home in Buddhist place of worship:

ok, here my Olaf-version-take: "The delusion is that there are humans who are unenlightened. " There appear Olafs who have appearances of thinking/believing they are separate Olafs, so one could say there are unenlightened Olafs. But since there is only the Infinite Ocean freezing to an imagined Olaf, watching its own substance while doing so in a nondual way, actually there is no (unenlightened) Olaf. It just appears to be so. Actually, there are just some perspectives of Infinite Being ("humans" or Olafs) that have I-thougt/I-feeling-arisings (which makes them believe to be a human/Olaf) in their perspective/mindstream, while forgetting in real-time ("in-space") all other perspectives appearing in their Infinite Being. While being also these perspectives at the same time. Indras Infinite Net of Olaf-perspectives. And then one could have Olafs observing or contemplating all of that. But since there are no actual Olafs, but only the Infinite Ocean, there is in reality no Olaf observing unenlightened Olafs. Only the Infinite Ocean having fooling-itself-thought-feelings-arisings appearing in its Infinite Being. So its basically appearing Olafs talking to themselves, while there is only one Infinite Being, splicing itself up in infinite perspectives. The Infinite Ocean modulating itself as "freezing Olaf-appearances" and wondering what it really is. And what those other Olafs are. And for an Olaf to verify that for itself beyond any doubt, an Olaf normally need considerable time in nondual impersonal awakened states. Selling Olaf-ISM by the River

Disclaimer: - Fairytale warning - (Leo, better don't read this. Probably not beneficial for your blood pressure). So here is the fairytale of the Infinite Ocean of Water, Olafs, Alien-Olafs. And Harakiri-Olafs. Lets imagine an Infinite Ocean of Water. "Degrees" of consciousness is like "degrees" of water. Water, steam, ice, snowflakes... and of course: Olafs. Degrees of Olafs: And all Olafs melt in the end: Most Olafs believe they are Olafs (or Olaf-Aliens, or whatever). And not the Infinite Ocean of water taking form/modulating-itself/appearing itself as Olaf. So, what do frozen/imagined Olafs like to do? Most Olafs just play around. Some Olafs get fascinated by Olafs that look like Alien-Olafs. Some Olafs even become Olafs that understand like Alien-Olaf with special Olaf-food. At least parttime. And then parttime Alien-Olafs can see how the Infinite Ocean does the trick with freezing so the ocean seemingly appears like (illusion) Olafs, and how the Infinite Ocean does its trick it to freeze like the appearing snow-worlds in which the Olafs play. And these Olafs then feel wonderful when basking in this revelation of how the Infinite Ocean does its freezing/manifestation/illusion-tricks. But without the special Olaf-food, they feel like ... Olaf. Some Olafs in the next life even BECOME Alien-Olafs. Then some Olafs even realize and know they are just water. In an Infinite Ocean of Water. And do Harakiri by dissolving their old (mistaken) identity as Olaf, understanding and realizing that all there actually ever is, was and ever will be is Infinite nondual Water/Ocean, which can appear as Olafs dancing & playing around in itself, thinking itself to be Olafs. All the while there always is, was and ever will be only the Infinite Ocean. And when there is no snow/ice/manifestation, the Infinite Ocean isn't even aware of itself, because its colourless, infinite and no contrast to perceive ANY appearing ice/snow. Yet it still is the Infinite Nondual Ocean. Always. Eternal. And doing all that realizing/dissolving even before old-ice-Olaf melts in the end. And some stupid Olafs of this kind even dare telling the Alien-chasing-Olafs that they are just Infinite Water/Ocean, so why all the grasping & chasing for Alien-Olaf and its tricks? Why not understand & dissolve Olaf in realtime and relax being the Infinite Ocean WHILE appearing as Olaf? Is Olaf any different than water? If Olaf melts is he dead? Or is just the illusion he thought he was switched off? What was Olaf really? Infinite Water. Or Consciousness. Infinite Consciousness. What is Olaf? What are degress of Olafs (or degrees of consciousness?): Manifestation/appearances of consciousness, manifestations or appearances of Infinite Water/Ocean. Or FORM/manifestation/appearance. FORM. APPEARANCE. TEMPORARY. And nothing more. Illusory and passing/melting expressions of the Infinite Formless Ocean. Appearing illusions made of Infinite Water. The FORMLESS Infinite Ocean is/has no degrees of water/consciousness. Degrees of water (water/ice/snow/Olafs/Alien-Olafs) APPEAR WITHIN "IT", MADE out of "It"/the Infinite Formless Ocean. Which "itself" has no degrees. Its manifestations and appearances do have degrees. And that is what DEGREES of consciousness are. Manifestations. And degrees are not Absolute/Infinite, nor True Being. Did anything really happen with the Infinite Ocean forming & playing Olaf? So, now the big question is: What is more important: Should one now get fascinated and go chasing/becoming the highest Alien-Olaf that the Infinite Ocean of water can manifest? FORM/Manifestation-CHASING. Or maybe just realize that the Olaf one believes onself to be is also only just water? And dissolve ones mistaken/wrong/illusionary identity of being an Olaf and realizing ones True Identity as Infinite Water? Realizing Formless Infinite True Being (Infinite Water/Ocean). Because, Olaf was just an illusion? And then dance and play with Elsa (which is also just made out of Infinite Water, and so on)? Depends on the Karma of the Olaf. Does the Infinite Ocean care if "he/she/it" appears only a temporary snowball, and not a temporary Olaf? Does it fundamentally change the Infinite Ocean in any way? Does the Infinite Ocean gain or loose anything, besides an illusion? Was the ocean ever afraid of appearing as & believing to be just a snowball, ice-crocodile, or an Olaf? Did it ever rally matter? Obviously not. Else, Olaf wouldn't be here! Selling Olafs by the River PS: No Olaf has ever been mentioned by Buddhism. So just that the right -ISM is persecuted. Complaints please to Disney! And what can we do with our temporary Olaf-Form-Appearance-Illusion? For example sing "Let It Go" & dance along with imaginary Elsa!

Pleading for: Innocent. You know, admitted to killing the Buddha: Oh s***, got off the hook for Buddh-ISM, but admitted intentional homicide Buddhacide. With a secondary prosecution for being deluded & LARPing (hey, where did your more juicy post of yesterday go? Got censored? Watched the maturity-video again? Anyway, thanks for version 2.0 and for keeping the energy level here a bit more on the nice & respectful side. Also the congregation of True God-Realization and n+1 AWAKENING needs mature & polite members & expression for public relations reasons). Anyway my friend, it is all good man. Just continue watching the show here, maybe one can deduct a thing or two on how it all develops concerning the major protagonists, their peace of mind, and and the crocodiles of life. Drowning the Buddha by the River

Good luck trying to accomplish as Leo-mostly-human-part-time-alien that which God itself will forever not reach: The event horizon of an Infinity of Infinities of realms & dimensions yet to explore & understand how they are manifested. Dont you see that? Is it that complicated? Or is it just a huge blindspot for you? Hubris. A perfect recipe to keep on suffering. What can be very well understood and realized and lived is the essence of each and any of these Infinities manifested and yet to be manifested. In Infinite Being. In YOU! Good luck surviving your project of achieving more than God or Infinity itself can ever hope to reach. The event horizon of Infinities of Infinities. Until you see the futility of this project, and get tired, and finally drop into the Infinite Ocean of your True Being. The more positive view: Isn't it wonderful that there is an Infinity of Infinities yet to explore? "We", or rather True Infinite Being will never run out of adventures. Can't you make peace with just that? Do you subtly have to send all beings following you on this insane grasping voyage? Letting them suffer the same suffering that you still have, and temporarily ease it with new insights into new "Awakenings", Understandings, or whatever-states/experiences are still being grasped for? Why not enjoy the beauty of a rainstorm? A sunset? The chirping of the birds? They hold the same infinite depth of Infinity. Holons all the way down also. They all hold the same beauty in the eyes of Divinity. The exactly same! If no one is left to tell otherwise, it is the same beauty of Infinity in all appearances. Maybe you take some time to reflect on that, and truly look into the essence of these arisings in your mindstream that keep pushing you upwards to Infinity of Infinity. What is the essence of these arisings? They are the core of what is still left of you, dear Leo. Small you. False you. They are the price to pay to truly realize what You really are. They ARE the dream. Look into them. You only risk finding what you truly are. Meet you there.

In my humble opinion: You got it. Infinite Being contains Infinity up and down the ladder. In Wilber-speech: Holons, downwards to Infinity, upwards to Infinity. Especially upwards is hard to stomach. But a necessary step to see the smallness of any(!) holon, be it human or alien. Even the alien has an Infinity of Holons "on top" of it, upwards from it. It is absolutely senseless to seek any refuge in Infinity. Not so in the Infinite. Or Infinite Being. Who or what created all of that? Who or what contains all of that? Who or what explores itself forever and ever and ever? What is in the end a mystery to itself, both when it comes to its essence of Nothingness, and its forever unreachable Event Horizons of Infinities of Infinities yet to explore? And who at the same time never leaves its True Home while doing so? This simple thought experiment frees from the need to grasp every mechanism of manifestation, and trying to "understand" all of these realms. Even God will forever explore new dimensions and realms, strange and multidimensional (n+1) realms and universes totally different than ours, and will never run out of them. It is the nature of Infinity. N+1 dimensions. And God will never run out of its fascination with the mechanisms of these Infinities. An Infinity of Infinities. Home is Infinite Being. Not Infinity or Infinities. Home is that "before" or "within" which all these Infinities of Infinities of appearances & manifestations "roll" by. I wonder if Leo ever had https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_induction in his Aeronautical Engineering mathematical courses. N+1. Yours truly did. " Mathematical induction is a method for proving that a statement 𝑃(𝑛) is true for every natural number 𝑛, that is, that the infinitely many cases 𝑃(0),𝑃(1),𝑃(2),𝑃(3),…  all hold. This is done by first proving a simple case, then also showing that if we assume the claim is true for a given case, then the next case is also true. Informal metaphors help to explain this technique, such as falling dominoes or climbing a ladder: Mathematical induction proves that we can climb as high as we like on a ladder, by proving that we can climb onto the bottom rung (the basis) and that from each rung we can climb up to the next one (the step). — Concrete Mathematics, page 3 margins." It never ends... Aliens and alien realms n+1. In what do they all appear? "It takes a leap of faith To awake from these delusions You are the coder and avatar" And now you can drop into Infinite Void in peace, if your Karma holds that for you.... Selling Mathematical Inductions by the River

Imagine... We are on a forum called Actualized. We agree that there is something like Infinite Being. Absolute Reality. Which can be realized in Awakened Nondual States. Which (as a lucky coincidence) are also supposed the reduce suffering dramatically. At least according to the testament of thousands of people over the millenia. And more or less the only way to generate stable nondual awakened states in daily life is meditation. Or cutting off the internal bla-bla that most of the time talks me/mine. And this me/mine is by definition a part, a broken fractal of Infinite Being. Contemplation will never cause the awakened nondual states that are necessary for the realization of Infinite Being. At least for all non-prodigies. Contemplation is a necessary and good starting point. And it comes in every tradition I am aware of before serious meditation starts. It is ok if one doesn't have the discipline or Karma to seriously engage in this path. Or engage it later. But belittling meditation and/or those who actually seriously engage in it... oh well. Brings great Karma for sure. Something to think about? How did this kind of contemplation work so far in creating serious nondual awakened states? And no, small you is not everything. That is just new cloths for the conceptual identity of a separate-self. Why is it that every single meditation tradition does something like neti-neti to get rid of false identity (and any identity at all btw., since Infinite Being has no Identity)? Well, I guess you are young. Life automatically brings along some crocodiles that bite sufficiently enough to challenge any assumption that contemplation alone is enough. The smart way is to start meditating before the crocodiles show up. Because... ... there are crocodiles in the River, that will always bite every single being, sooner or later.

Thank you. May the moistness be with you The moistness is never not with me. And also never not with you. And yes my friend, why so serious?