Water by the River

That is true. Without action/meditation/practice/Awakening it is just empty theory. But since I engage in metaphysical discourse, maybe that saves me from being labeled "Buddhist"?

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ok, here my Olaf-version-take: "The delusion is that there are humans who are unenlightened. " There appear Olafs who have appearances of thinking/believing they are separate Olafs, so one could say there are unenlightened Olafs. But since there is only the Infinite Ocean freezing to an imagined Olaf, watching its own substance while doing so in a nondual way, actually there is no (unenlightened) Olaf. It just appears to be so. Actually, there are just some perspectives of Infinite Being ("humans" or Olafs) that have I-thougt/I-feeling-arisings (which makes them believe to be a human/Olaf) in their perspective/mindstream, while forgetting in real-time ("in-space") all other perspectives appearing in their Infinite Being. While being also these perspectives at the same time. Indras Infinite Net of Olaf-perspectives. And then one could have Olafs observing or contemplating all of that. But since there are no actual Olafs, but only the Infinite Ocean, there is in reality no Olaf observing unenlightened Olafs. Only the Infinite Ocean having fooling-itself-thought-feelings-arisings appearing in its Infinite Being. So its basically appearing Olafs talking to themselves, while there is only one Infinite Being, splicing itself up in infinite perspectives. The Infinite Ocean modulating itself as "freezing Olaf-appearances" and wondering what it really is. And what those other Olafs are. And for an Olaf to verify that for itself beyond any doubt, an Olaf normally need considerable time in nondual impersonal awakened states. Selling Olaf-ISM by the River

Disclaimer: - Fairytale warning - (Leo, better don't read this. Probably not beneficial for your blood pressure). So here is the fairytale of the Infinite Ocean of Water, Olafs, Alien-Olafs. And Harakiri-Olafs. Lets imagine an Infinite Ocean of Water. "Degrees" of consciousness is like "degrees" of water. Water, steam, ice, snowflakes... and of course: Olafs. Degrees of Olafs: And all Olafs melt in the end: Most Olafs believe they are Olafs (or Olaf-Aliens, or whatever). And not the Infinite Ocean of water taking form/modulating-itself/appearing itself as Olaf. So, what do frozen/imagined Olafs like to do? Most Olafs just play around. Some Olafs get fascinated by Olafs that look like Alien-Olafs. Some Olafs even become Olafs that understand like Alien-Olaf with special Olaf-food. At least parttime. And then parttime Alien-Olafs can see how the Infinite Ocean does the trick with freezing so the ocean seemingly appears like (illusion) Olafs, and how the Infinite Ocean does its trick it to freeze like the appearing snow-worlds in which the Olafs play. And these Olafs then feel wonderful when basking in this revelation of how the Infinite Ocean does its freezing/manifestation/illusion-tricks. But without the special Olaf-food, they feel like ... Olaf. Some Olafs in the next life even BECOME Alien-Olafs. Then some Olafs even realize and know they are just water. In an Infinite Ocean of Water. And do Harakiri by dissolving their old (mistaken) identity as Olaf, understanding and realizing that all there actually ever is, was and ever will be is Infinite nondual Water/Ocean, which can appear as Olafs dancing & playing around in itself, thinking itself to be Olafs. All the while there always is, was and ever will be only the Infinite Ocean. And when there is no snow/ice/manifestation, the Infinite Ocean isn't even aware of itself, because its colourless, infinite and no contrast to perceive ANY appearing ice/snow. Yet it still is the Infinite Nondual Ocean. Always. Eternal. And doing all that realizing/dissolving even before old-ice-Olaf melts in the end. And some stupid Olafs of this kind even dare telling the Alien-chasing-Olafs that they are just Infinite Water/Ocean, so why all the grasping & chasing for Alien-Olaf and its tricks? Why not understand & dissolve Olaf in realtime and relax being the Infinite Ocean WHILE appearing as Olaf? Is Olaf any different than water? If Olaf melts is he dead? Or is just the illusion he thought he was switched off? What was Olaf really? Infinite Water. Or Consciousness. Infinite Consciousness. What is Olaf? What are degress of Olafs (or degrees of consciousness?): Manifestation/appearances of consciousness, manifestations or appearances of Infinite Water/Ocean. Or FORM/manifestation/appearance. FORM. APPEARANCE. TEMPORARY. And nothing more. Illusory and passing/melting expressions of the Infinite Formless Ocean. Appearing illusions made of Infinite Water. The FORMLESS Infinite Ocean is/has no degrees of water/consciousness. Degrees of water (water/ice/snow/Olafs/Alien-Olafs) APPEAR WITHIN "IT", MADE out of "It"/the Infinite Formless Ocean. Which "itself" has no degrees. Its manifestations and appearances do have degrees. And that is what DEGREES of consciousness are. Manifestations. And degrees are not Absolute/Infinite, nor True Being. Did anything really happen with the Infinite Ocean forming & playing Olaf? So, now the big question is: What is more important: Should one now get fascinated and go chasing/becoming the highest Alien-Olaf that the Infinite Ocean of water can manifest? FORM/Manifestation-CHASING. Or maybe just realize that the Olaf one believes onself to be is also only just water? And dissolve ones mistaken/wrong/illusionary identity of being an Olaf and realizing ones True Identity as Infinite Water? Realizing Formless Infinite True Being (Infinite Water/Ocean). Because, Olaf was just an illusion? And then dance and play with Elsa (which is also just made out of Infinite Water, and so on)? Depends on the Karma of the Olaf. Does the Infinite Ocean care if "he/she/it" appears only a temporary snowball, and not a temporary Olaf? Does it fundamentally change the Infinite Ocean in any way? Does the Infinite Ocean gain or loose anything, besides an illusion? Was the ocean ever afraid of appearing as & believing to be just a snowball, ice-crocodile, or an Olaf? Did it ever rally matter? Obviously not. Else, Olaf wouldn't be here! Selling Olafs by the River PS: No Olaf has ever been mentioned by Buddhism. So just that the right -ISM is persecuted. Complaints please to Disney! And what can we do with our temporary Olaf-Form-Appearance-Illusion? For example sing "Let It Go" & dance along with imaginary Elsa!

Pleading for: Innocent. You know, admitted to killing the Buddha: Oh s***, got off the hook for Buddh-ISM, but admitted intentional homicide Buddhacide. With a secondary prosecution for being deluded & LARPing (hey, where did your more juicy post of yesterday go? Got censored? Watched the maturity-video again? Anyway, thanks for version 2.0 and for keeping the energy level here a bit more on the nice & respectful side. Also the congregation of True God-Realization and n+1 AWAKENING needs mature & polite members & expression for public relations reasons). Anyway my friend, it is all good man. Just continue watching the show here, maybe one can deduct a thing or two on how it all develops concerning the major protagonists, their peace of mind, and and the crocodiles of life. Drowning the Buddha by the River

Good luck trying to accomplish as Leo-mostly-human-part-time-alien that which God itself will forever not reach: The event horizon of an Infinity of Infinities of realms & dimensions yet to explore & understand how they are manifested. Dont you see that? Is it that complicated? Or is it just a huge blindspot for you? Hubris. A perfect recipe to keep on suffering. What can be very well understood and realized and lived is the essence of each and any of these Infinities manifested and yet to be manifested. In Infinite Being. In YOU! Good luck surviving your project of achieving more than God or Infinity itself can ever hope to reach. The event horizon of Infinities of Infinities. Until you see the futility of this project, and get tired, and finally drop into the Infinite Ocean of your True Being. The more positive view: Isn't it wonderful that there is an Infinity of Infinities yet to explore? "We", or rather True Infinite Being will never run out of adventures. Can't you make peace with just that? Do you subtly have to send all beings following you on this insane grasping voyage? Letting them suffer the same suffering that you still have, and temporarily ease it with new insights into new "Awakenings", Understandings, or whatever-states/experiences are still being grasped for? Why not enjoy the beauty of a rainstorm? A sunset? The chirping of the birds? They hold the same infinite depth of Infinity. Holons all the way down also. They all hold the same beauty in the eyes of Divinity. The exactly same! If no one is left to tell otherwise, it is the same beauty of Infinity in all appearances. Maybe you take some time to reflect on that, and truly look into the essence of these arisings in your mindstream that keep pushing you upwards to Infinity of Infinity. What is the essence of these arisings? They are the core of what is still left of you, dear Leo. Small you. False you. They are the price to pay to truly realize what You really are. They ARE the dream. Look into them. You only risk finding what you truly are. Meet you there.

In my humble opinion: You got it. Infinite Being contains Infinity up and down the ladder. In Wilber-speech: Holons, downwards to Infinity, upwards to Infinity. Especially upwards is hard to stomach. But a necessary step to see the smallness of any(!) holon, be it human or alien. Even the alien has an Infinity of Holons "on top" of it, upwards from it. It is absolutely senseless to seek any refuge in Infinity. Not so in the Infinite. Or Infinite Being. Who or what created all of that? Who or what contains all of that? Who or what explores itself forever and ever and ever? What is in the end a mystery to itself, both when it comes to its essence of Nothingness, and its forever unreachable Event Horizons of Infinities of Infinities yet to explore? And who at the same time never leaves its True Home while doing so? This simple thought experiment frees from the need to grasp every mechanism of manifestation, and trying to "understand" all of these realms. Even God will forever explore new dimensions and realms, strange and multidimensional (n+1) realms and universes totally different than ours, and will never run out of them. It is the nature of Infinity. N+1 dimensions. And God will never run out of its fascination with the mechanisms of these Infinities. An Infinity of Infinities. Home is Infinite Being. Not Infinity or Infinities. Home is that "before" or "within" which all these Infinities of Infinities of appearances & manifestations "roll" by. I wonder if Leo ever had https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_induction in his Aeronautical Engineering mathematical courses. N+1. Yours truly did. " Mathematical induction is a method for proving that a statement 𝑃(𝑛) is true for every natural number 𝑛, that is, that the infinitely many cases 𝑃(0),𝑃(1),𝑃(2),𝑃(3),…  all hold. This is done by first proving a simple case, then also showing that if we assume the claim is true for a given case, then the next case is also true. Informal metaphors help to explain this technique, such as falling dominoes or climbing a ladder: Mathematical induction proves that we can climb as high as we like on a ladder, by proving that we can climb onto the bottom rung (the basis) and that from each rung we can climb up to the next one (the step). — Concrete Mathematics, page 3 margins." It never ends... Aliens and alien realms n+1. In what do they all appear? "It takes a leap of faith To awake from these delusions You are the coder and avatar" And now you can drop into Infinite Void in peace, if your Karma holds that for you.... Selling Mathematical Inductions by the River

Imagine... We are on a forum called Actualized. We agree that there is something like Infinite Being. Absolute Reality. Which can be realized in Awakened Nondual States. Which (as a lucky coincidence) are also supposed the reduce suffering dramatically. At least according to the testament of thousands of people over the millenia. And more or less the only way to generate stable nondual awakened states in daily life is meditation. Or cutting off the internal bla-bla that most of the time talks me/mine. And this me/mine is by definition a part, a broken fractal of Infinite Being. Contemplation will never cause the awakened nondual states that are necessary for the realization of Infinite Being. At least for all non-prodigies. Contemplation is a necessary and good starting point. And it comes in every tradition I am aware of before serious meditation starts. It is ok if one doesn't have the discipline or Karma to seriously engage in this path. Or engage it later. But belittling meditation and/or those who actually seriously engage in it... oh well. Brings great Karma for sure. Something to think about? How did this kind of contemplation work so far in creating serious nondual awakened states? And no, small you is not everything. That is just new cloths for the conceptual identity of a separate-self. Why is it that every single meditation tradition does something like neti-neti to get rid of false identity (and any identity at all btw., since Infinite Being has no Identity)? Well, I guess you are young. Life automatically brings along some crocodiles that bite sufficiently enough to challenge any assumption that contemplation alone is enough. The smart way is to start meditating before the crocodiles show up. Because... ... there are crocodiles in the River, that will always bite every single being, sooner or later.

Thank you. May the moistness be with you The moistness is never not with me. And also never not with you. And yes my friend, why so serious?

Suffering is that which is a problem for you. The rest is not suffering. How old are you?

Because ignorance/illusion/self-contraction of the separate-self ("false self") leads to suffering in cycles until dissolving again in True Infinite Being. Ever noticed?

Ok, here is my version of it: You have had in "your" Infinite Being a very high manifestation of appearances (Alien) which arose in nondual unity with the corresponding perceiver of that (Alien consciousness OF). None of that changed your True Infinite nondual Being in any way. Consciousness OF is always manifestation/appearance IN your True Being. You can't qualify Pure Awareness itself in any way (and for sure not put "degrees" on it), and it is always in nondual unity with its appearances. In Infinite Being. Only appearances and the consciousness OF these appearances has degrees. PS: When you are dead, that Alien Consciousness OF Alien n+1 is gone (or at least can be), and Infinite Being is "alive" and well and unchanged. Since it has nowhere to go. Selling garbage by the River PS: and btw. this is the 1000th delivery of garbage. By the River. Can anyone endure that? Oh my. And for sure we leave the coolest 1000th post to the one and only @Bazooka Jesus Somehow it seems more-awake-than-thou never gets old: Cheers!

True Infinite "Me" will ever be the same. Just like true infinite "You". Boring, but true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model No models? No models! Not linear! But degrees? Argument? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument Proclamation! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation Oh well. I know, I am too stupid. Selling Water by the River

hey, you are also selling Water by the River! Welcome

Sure. Have a nice mushroom curry.

You will get used it. Or rather that Infinite Being in which the you used to appear. Do you wake up in the morning and watch your own feet and go "OH MY FUCKING GOD"? Is anything outside Infinite Being now? Little bit off topic, but : How does a mathematician catch a flock of sheep? The mathematician builds a small fence around himself, then defines himself to be outside the fence.

Sure. One can be an enlightened human, or an unenlightened human. Then,one can be an enlightened human part-time Alien, or an unenlightened part-time Alien. And maybe an enlightened fulltime Alien next life. Or an unenlightened fulltime Alien Alien next life. Maybe "one" can even become a planet/world-soul? There are Sutras talking about Buddha-beings containing whole realms/universes/"Buddha-fields" within them. Up to Infinity. Guess it never gets boring And what does that all have in common? It is appearance. Manifestation. An Infinity of Manifestation and form. Consciousness OF put-in-the-blank. Juicy stuff. Fascinating. In in certain ways, a trap. A dream-trap. And still not "the" Infinite Absolute. Tell me again, "in front" of what is actually this whole show of Infinity rolling by? Never touching it in any way, always staying "within" it, since there is nothing outside of IT? Who created the whole dream within Ones Being, just to have fun and get hypnotized again? When all of that ends, what is still there? When all temporary appearance and illusion and manifestation "sinks" back again into Infinite Being? What is this Alpha and Omega? All worlds and manifestations of God never add a single Iota to THAT. Nor remove anything from THAT. And then let us talk about God. Or not. Because who is there to talk to? Of what is there to talk to, besides fascinating modulations of ones own True Infinite nondual Being? And after all this fascination with the manifestations of ones own True Infinite Being has passed, one can sit happily and watch the rain drops falling in the River. Selling falling raindrops by the River

Then I guess the only thing that remains is to wish you fun exploring the mechanisms of manifestation while diving even deeper into the illusion, while being an illusion. Bon voyage! Watch out for the crocodiles Consider that maybe you can not judge that, because, um, ehem, well, you know ... ... .... The aspect that you don't have access to nondual awakened states sobre tells about the still remaining filters/lenses, of, um, Leo. Do you really need more crocodiles to get "Enlightenment is a low ..." bitten out of your separate-self mindstream? The trap you are falling into is precisely described in Wilbers Religion of the Future, getting lost in the fascination of the higher subtle realms and how manifestation works. There is nothing new with it. Just read Chris Bache "LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven", or Stan Grof "The Cosmic Game: Explorations of the Frontiers of Human Consciousness". There are endless accounts, both contemporary and historical. Thank you for the second part, you are also doing quite well in this field since lately, Chapeau! .And the first part is a compliment that I can not avoid giving back since you are also very firm in your perspective.

To give a preview on these facets of True Being. To know these states are real. Awakened (impersonal, not personal, no empty witness or duality of any kind left), Nondual (boundless and infinite field/vastness, Unity, Oneness) and Groundless (mere appearance, really just mere appearance or hologram-like character of the world hovering in Infinite limitless Nothingness, that behind your body), no external world if it is not imagined. Eternal and timeless and absolutely fundamental, since its boundless and can't go anywhere else, it is more fundamental than time in mathematical language. And how one imagines past &future&"background-fairy-tale-of-the-separate-body-mind" real time right now. Just more appearances/modulations appearing in the Infinite vastness/Infinite Being. Infinite and spaceless (since space is literally imagined in it, and with that any 3-,4-, or n-dimensional space, be it euclidian, non-euclidian, or whatever of the infinity of possibilities) Blissfull and salvation, since the separate-self-contraction suffering/bad-feelings and thoughts can get cut off/transcended in real-time by just looking into their nature. They appear & literally "move" within True Infinite Being, as its "modulations". Without psychedelics, one needs a looong time of this here: That cutting-off of the separate-self-arisings real time is what unlocks the states mentioned above, and their resulting insights/realizations. Basically cutting-off real time separate-self arisings done proficiently enough= creates awakened states (above) and same effects as psychedelics. And with psychedelics, one still needs to do this until the very end. Else the whole elephant won't show itself. But at least one knows then that there is an elephant. Psychedelic Pro: Prooves that nondual states are not mere fantasy, and gives nice awakened states on which to cross-check if ones meditation-path is moving one there. And of course explore the Multiverse with its myriad of Realms and Beings, from Angels and Demons to ET&Aliens. And understand the mechanisms of manifestation/appearance (Chris Bache, Stan Grof, Rick Strassmann) for example). Psychedelic Contra: Doesn't deliver transcending ones personality/ego fully. This here: "That cutting-off of the separate-self-arisings real time is what unlocks the states mentioned above, and their resulting insights/realizations. Basically cutting-off real time separate-self arisings done proficiently enough= creates awakened states (above) and same effects as psychedelics." So we get God-realized Egos. Not stable realization. A mighty trap. Somebody ought to make a video including that trap also. Committing blasphemy against the holy Liturgy of the church of god-realize-your-ego and then getting drowned in the River by an Infinity of Gods.

I preferred Harakiri. Which had paradoxically quite similiar results. Even pretty stable results. That move enabled also to stay a bit more to the humble side. A bit. Since the other side of the spectrum is a bit overloaded with Godrealized egos, so its not really comfy & spacy there. Sir, my friend, I bullshit you not. Well, if we go "full God mode", lets do it with style: Show me anything that is not included in Infinite Being. Then I will allow myself to show you the mixer. Yes, the real thing comes "after" the mixer/Void: And only God remains. Which is an oxymoron, because there is and ever was and ever will be only Infinite Being. Or God. Or raspberry. Lets call it Infinite Being. Raspberry is maybe not perfect, and God is a bit loaded... with a lot of stuff ego can hijack. Technically, you can call the Absolute or Infinite Being whatever you want. And no concept/pointer will fully work, just point. And the God-pointer points tend to be a bit overloaded with that which actually prevents true realization: Blowing up the ego & grandiosity which actually belongs to Infinite Being, not an ego/separate-self. Selling good mixer-pointers by the River

God Realization from what I have seen is just understanding more than the usual psychedelic Awakening (where one just projects an ego in nondual unity on the visual field or Nothingness or whatever). Like, how one imagines the past real time right now (which one does, and it doesn't exist anywhere else). And how one imagines everything else just to fool oneself (like parents, job, being a person,...). The problem with God Realization is: There remains a subtle "realizer" of all of that. Very subtle, very hard to transcend, since this is just a totally empty "Individuality". That is the last hindrance to Enlightenment, which then is therefor also stable if that element is seen through. Wilber calls it Empty Witness (see for example Religion of the Future). But not fully transparent and fully boundless nondual without individuality. And that is why God Realization is not stable sobre. These remaining separate-self elements kill the Awakened nondual states after the trip. In Enlightenment, all of that is totally obvious, and since these components are in place, or rather there illusion-counter-components (like self-existing personality, space, time, outer world, duality/out-thereness) are seen through in real time. Below, the outcome first, and then which kind of illusion-part of the separte-self structure it shuts off. Awakened (impersonal, not personal, no empty witness or duality of any kind left), Nondual (boundless and infinite field/vastness, Unity, Oneness) and Groundless (mere appearance, really just mere appearance or hologram-like character of the world hovering in Infinite limitless Nothingness, that behind your body), no external world if it is not imagined. Eternal and timeless and absolutely fundamental, since its boundless and can't go anywhere else, it is more fundamental than time in mathematical language. And how one imagines past &future&"background-fairy-tale-of-the-separate-body-mind" real time right now. Just more appearances/modulations appearing in the Infinite vastness/Infinite Being. Infinite and spaceless (since space is literally imagined in it, and with that any 3-,4-, or n-dimensional space, be it euclidian, non-euclidian, or whatever of the infinity of possibilities) Blissfull and salvation, since the separate-self-contraction suffering/bad-feelings and thoughts can get cut off/transcended in real-time by just looking into their nature. They appear & literally "move" within True Infinite Being, as its "modulations". That cutting-off of the separate-self-arisings real time is what unlocks the states mentioned above, and their resulting insights/realizations. Basically cutting-off real time separate-self arisings done proficiently enough= creates awakened states (above) and same effects as psychedelics. And all of these states and/or insights above one can happpen one at a time, or two, or three combined... Any combination possible, and that creates the myriad of half-baked and different Awakening & (smaller) Enlightenment-descriptions ("Kenshos in Zen"). Ever heard some people have new Awakenings all the time? That is that. For truly awakening to what one truly is, beyond any doubt, one needs all of them. When that Waking Up happens, it is definitive. Because it kills the former illusion of being a separate-anything. That can never be believed again. It is dead. It always ever was an illusion. Even the God-realized ego/separate-self. All a dream. There was never anything else than the Infinite Ocean of Being, formerly with ignorance and illusion arising within it, and now back to the real state of "things", the ignorance no longer arising. Basically, one gets all facets of the Infinite Absolute True Being all at once, and once this happens Infinite Being is totally obvious. It is You. All of it. And can't get more Infinite than Infinite and more eternal than eternal, that is why it is final. The rest is just more appearance IN You (or consciousness OF x, man, woman, Alien, Alien n+1,...). Interesting for sure, but not so urgent. Got Eternity and Infinity to explore, remember? And even if getting distracted by the Lila-show for a moment, "it" is "just there", by just reaching out and killing the illusion-aspect that got re-established by just looking into its nature and just finding the Infinite Ocean of Awareness-Being. Your True Self. So in summary, God-Realization as used here, is a step in the right direction, but it is still not true Enlightenment. Of course, what is sold as Enlightenment is in 80%-90%+ cases not Enlightenment as waking up out of the dream, but just some nondual "Awakening". A dual dream has become a nondual dreaming. Dreaming nonetheless. What Leo calls (correctly) nondual BS. Zen differentiates between Enlightenments (Kenshos), and fully waking up (calling that Great Enlightenment). Only in the latter one there is waking up from the dream. With the former one, a nondual, or god-realized, or whatever ego/separate-self continues dreaming its nondual dream... Lovely place to be at, but still a dream So God Realization is between the naive nondual-Enlightenments with a dreamer still well and alive dreaming nondual-unity-dream, and true waking-up Enlightenment is beyond God Realization, since even the "subtle" one having the God-Realization is seen through as more dreaming. And one can wake up only once, then any separate-anything illusion is ruined for good. That illusions never recovers its fully. And then, one can go still playing with the Aliens for ever new insights, if one is so inclined... So it is tricky, because Leo basically has a Pre-Trans-Confusion in Wilbers lingo. Sorry Leo, but needs to be said. God-Realization is "higher" than a standard nondual-awakening (Nondual Unity Awakening of ego still believing its background story like parents, world, others). These are the Nonduality or Enlightenment-Fundamentalists he criticizes. but it is lower than True Enlightenment, since the final individuality/separate-self/God-realized-ego is not seen through. And once the psychedelic state delivering most of the items listed above wears off, this remaining not seen-through-in-real-time individuality/separte-self/ego kills the awakened state. and since it is all very subtle and impossible to fully understand without having had these awakened states, it is also IMPOSSIBLE to understand True Enlightenment from the perspective of God-Realization before it truly happens (else, one would be already fully enlightened when having seen through the last subtle elements of separation/individuality), Water by the River recommends the age-old recipe of Matthew 7:15-20 "You Will Know Them by Their Fruits". And the proof for that is: Psychedelic Godrealization doesn't last. When the psychedlic wears off, the filters/lenses/contraction of the remaining separate self/ego kick back in, and bye bye awakened nondual states (the ones listed above). And even during "God-Realization", the remaining individual projects itself mightily on all these insights. And then we get Infinity of Gods and stuff not for the faint-of-hearted as compensation. While there is only one Being/Reality, we now have an Infinity of "god-realized" egos. Basically, God-Realization never gets rid of the Individuality/Separation fully, there is always a subtle "someone" having all these realizations. Selling "going all the way" by the River PS: Roger Thisdells version of that. vs. Even the God-realized ones need to fully jump into the mixer Void PS PS: https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?q="God Realization"&author=Water by the River&sortby=relevancy

Yes, the point of the game/Lila is to wave-surf, while believing one is the wave. Until one realizes that all that wave surfing doesn't bring the permanent bliss that ones True Being yearns for, but leads to exhaustion. Or burnout. A variant of that is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_hedonism Why is that? Only being what one really is releases the tension of the separate-self. Normally that takes decades of gaining maturity, but it can also be shortcut with insight. If one (or ones Karma to be precise) resonates with that. In the end, only dropping into the Infinite Ocean and dissolving in Infinite Being brings the final deliverance. And paradoxically, the journey doesn't end here. It just starts. From caterpillar to butterfly. One can perfect ones chosen wave-surfing, but without the contraction and the suffering of being just a wave or a self-contraction, but being the Infinite Ocean itself. Selling wave-surfing while being the Infinite Ocean PS: Watched your youtube-channel a bit. You are truly a Blessed Lion! "Wilber on ones chosen wave-surfing after having dissolved in the Infinite Ocean: Wilber, Eye of Spirit. And It Is All Undone Perhaps you will arise as any or all of those forms of ever-present awareness. But then, it doesn’t really matter. When you rest in the brilliant clarity of ever-present awareness, you are not Buddha or Bodhisattva, you are not this or that, you are not here or there. When you rest in simple, ever-present awareness, you are the great Unborn, free of all qualities whatsoever. Aware of color, you are colorless. Aware of time, you are timeless. Aware of form, you are formless. In the vast expanse of primordial Emptiness, you are forever invisible to this world. It is simply that, as embodied being, you also arise in the world of form that is your own manifestation. And the intrinsic potentials of the enlightened mind (the intrinsic potentials of your ever-present awareness)—such as equanimity, discriminating wisdom, mirrorlike wisdom, ground consciousness, and all-accomplishing awareness—various of these potentials combine with the native dispositions and particular talents of your own individual bodymind. And thus, when the separate self dies into the vast expanse of its own ever-present awareness, you will arise animated by any or all of those various enlightened potentials. You are then motivated, not by the Great Search, but by the Great Compassion of these potentials, some of which are gentle, some of which are truly wrathful, but all of which are simply the possibilities of your own ever-present state. And thus, resting in simple, clear, ever-present awareness, you will arise with the qualities and virtues of your own highest potentials—perhaps compassion, perhaps discriminating wisdom, perhaps cognitive insight, perhaps healing presence, perhaps wrathful reminder, perhaps artistic accomplishment, perhaps athletic skill, perhaps great educator, or perhaps something utterly simple, maybe being the best flower gardener on the block. (In other words, any of the developmental lines released into their own primordial state, released into their own post-postconventional condition.) When the bodymind is released from the brutalities inflicted by the selfcontraction, it naturally gravitates to its own highest estate, manifested in the great potentials of the enlightened mind, the great potentials of simple, everpresent awareness. Thus, as you rest in simple, ever-present awareness, you are the great Unborn; but as you are born—as you arise from ever-present awareness— you will manifest certain qualities, qualities inherent in intrinsic Spirit, and qualities colored by the dispositions of your own bodymind and its particular talents." Leo for example would for sure continue exploring the Multiverse. But without a burnout & exhaustion, and totally at peace, loving, compassionate and blissful. Totally happy in being only part-time Alien, and mostly part-time human, and perfectly happy with that. Because it is a unique place to be at. The Alien can not be part-time human and tell about that, at least not so easily as somebody with a more "full-time" denser human body. Lovely book on these topics, from a gentlemen way wiser than Water by the River: Spangler, Subtle Worlds: An Explorer’s Field Notes. What will the Blessed Lion do? That is up for you to unpack and explore. Individuality and uniqueness is never lost in Enlightenment, only separation. Bon Voyage!

Wilber, One Taste: Daily Reflections on Integral Spirituality "As one who has written extensively about the interior life, meditation, and psychotherapy, Ken Wilber—the leading theorist in the field of integral psychology—naturally arouses the curiosity of his numerous readers. In response to this curiosity, this one-year diary not only offers an unprecedented entrée into his private world, but offers an introduction to his essential thought. "If there is a theme to this journal," Wilber writes, "it is that body, mind, and the luminosities of the soul—all are perfect expressions of the Radiant Spirit that alone inhabits the universe, sublime gestures of that Great Perfection that alone outshines the world." Wilber's personal writings include: • Details of his own spiritual practice • Advice to spiritual seekers • Reflections on his work and that of other prominent theorists in the field of integral psychology • His day-to-day personal experiences • Dozens of his short theoretical essays on topics from art to feminism to spirituality to psychotherapy"

Zen is a form of Mahayana Buddhism. Vajrayana is Tantric Buddhism, which has Mahayana at its base. Mahayana = Nondual Enlightenment to Infinite Impersonal Being WHILE appearances/the world occurs as summum bonum. Philosophical base is middle way/Nagarjuna, or Infinite Being can never be hinted at as object of any kind. Hinayana (earliest buddhism): Cessation as goal, mainly via the concentrative Jhanas. Nirvikalpa. Blank out. Nothingness. But coming out of it, not necessarily being aware that the same Nothingness is also the substance/Infinite Reality of everything else. That would be the Nondual Enlightenment of Mahayana. Hinayana doesn't exist anymore, but Theravada as successor-form. Theravada doesn't evolve from Mahayana but from Hinayana. For example, forms of Thai Buddhism, forest tradition, Ingram, Frank Yang, Rob Burbea and so on are basically Theravada-based or influenced. Although nowadays Theravada also can have Nondual Enlightenment as goal, and not just cessation/Jhanas (as a general statement, especially with the latter persons mentioned. Ingram has a nice chapter on map-failure in his "Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha". In Zen/Vajrayana/Mahamudra/Dzogchen I guess the map wouldn't have failed so drastically, and that is why he added meditation techniques from there also. Same with Frank Yang and Rob Burbea. The equation of cessation=Enlightenment got updated in later Buddhism pretty fast. The same Nothingness experienced in cessation (as, um, NOTHING-ness) can also be experienced WHILE appearances arise, that is (true) Nondual Enlightenment (Nothing-ness+Something) when it is impersonal Infinite Being with no other and not just merging in nondual Unity of a still-alive-though-thinned out separate self). Early Hinayana: Cessation as goal. Theravada is a continuation of Hinayana, although Enlightenment=cessation(s) got updated to true Nondual Enlightenment in Theravada also, at least in some teachers/lines. But it has a certain "hangover" of valueing cessations a lot, which is ok, because if that is done often enough the Nondual Enlightenment can and does open up. Cessations = Enlightenment would be a prime form of Leos Buddhist Reductionsim. https://www.shambhala.com/historical-introduction-excerpt-integral-buddhism/ And there is not just "one" Buddhism. There exist so many schools, with development over millenia. And btw. Jainism is so similiar to Buddhism that there are doubts that the historical Buddha even existed (because Buddhas story is pretty much exactly the same as the story of the founder of Jainism Vardhamana Mahavira, see below in blue) or if it is just a founding myth. A framework. @Leo Gura: One of your favourite Buddhism-extremist-reductionist afficionados just killed the Buddha. And requests to be promoted to part-time Buddhist-Iconoclast. And maybe Nondual-Enlightement-Reductionist. But no longer Buddhist reductionist, because, you know, got kicked out of the club for killing the Buddha . And he even delivered some juicy books with a lot of aliens&faries&angels&demons inside as atonement. Oh my, I hope you get my humor For killing the Buddha softly, see for example "Secret Drugs of Buddhism: Psychedelic Sacraments and the Origins of the Vajrayana": "It is customary to assume that the Buddha was a historical character (even iconoclasts like Trevor Ling do not question his historicity) but parallels with non-Buddhist systems raise a suspicion that this may not be so. It is no longer believed that there was an ancient Greek poet called Homer who composed the Iliad and Odyssey. These “Homeric” epics are now understood to be compiled and refined from the compositions of many individual storytellers. Might not the teachings of “the Buddha” be analogous? Could the teachings also have been an age-old body of wisdom, analogously compiled, refined and imputed to a single, fictitious author? These teachings would have been transmitted orally but eventually, when writing systems arrived, transcribed as suttas. The earliest Buddhist art does not depict the Buddha as a person, but merely in symbolic form. In these so-called “aniconic” images, he may be shown as a parasol, an empty throne, pillar of fire or a pair of footprints. Could this be an acknowledgment that “the Buddha” was not a person in the normal meaning of the word? There is a strange feature of the Buddha’s biography which rarely receives comment and that is its similarity to the life of Vardhaman. Also known as Mahāvira (literally, “great man”), Vardhaman was son of a king, born with the 32 major and minor signs of his body. His father, the king, consulted wise men who foretold that he was destined to become a world-ruling emperor or a great spiritual leader. The wise men advise the king that to prevent him becoming a great sage, he must keep his son distracted with amusements. This the king does until, as an adult, Vardhaman escapes from the palace, meditates in the forest and achieves enlightenment. He teaches a non-Vedic path which, he says, is called Jainism. Anyone who knows the life of the Buddha will recognize all this as the same story. Even so, I have left out a lot of parallels such as identical personal names of characters in the biographies. Buddhism and Jainism also share many of the same … Killing the Buddha by the River softly while selling water