Water by the River

Leo walked on mathematical terrain, came up with a half true half false interpretation (that you will live all possible lives). At the same time he says God will never run out of realms to explore. Truth is, and can be proven with Cantors Set Theory of differently sized Infinities and a little bit of logical deduction: God can go on exploring for Infinity the smaller Infinity, and is not exploring all possible lives (larger Infinities), and yet will never run out of lives to explore (the smaller Infinity, which is still... Infinity. To be explored forever. Practical meaning of that: Not all of your Horror Shows/lifes will be experienced. God is not stupid. And yet the show will go on forever. But some Horrow shows are and will be experienced by some perspectives. Tends to clean up some Karma. That can be understand with Cantors Set Theory and its differently sized Infinities. Its not so hard with the specific examples of Infinities Cantor used to deduct his theory. That will answer this point.

It will be different than what you expect it to be. Else, it would have already happened. You will loose nothing in terms of appreciation, splendour, marvel, love and joy. Life truly becomes a celebration, and fear is gone. You will only just loose an illusion that was never true in the first place. And that illusion IS the suffering, IS the contraction, IS the separation.

The "boring" is one of the near perfect tools of Infinite Being to make itself believe as being less than everything. Works like a charm with near 100% success rate and keeps the illusion busy. Boring + grasping for creativity & exploration & alien waaay up on Maslows pyramid, stage 6, transcendence and beyond. The cure: a) an efficient meditation system cutting that off in real time (for example Mahamudra PotgW style), or b) good old traditional face against the wall for a few years and (quite literally) die on the pillow. a) is lovely, b) is hardcore brute force not for the faint-of-hearted. Both work.

Actually, already the Mathematics of this realm proove it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_set

Groundless Ground, and the turtles of manifestation all the way down never reach it... And yet, there is a perfect answer for the Koan on what the Infinite Groundless Ground is... Who is reading this again?

Who or what are the machine elves? Who are you, the one wanting to meet them? Who are you before your parents were born? You can't get there, since you are already there. How fast your mindstream will conform to the quite specific conditions (among them nondual & awakened & boundless & timeless & impersonal) necessary to realize and understand that beyond a shadow of a doubt: Who can know? But in the end you can't avoid it. So have fun along the way. When you are tired of the necessary contraction and suffering that constitutes believing to be a single wave in the ocean & wanting to say hi to more machine elves & aliens, the Infinite Ocean is always there for you to drop in and to dissolve into your boundless infinite and eternal nature. PS: Saying hi to the machine elves & aliens fast and efficiently can speeden up the process of getting tired & satisfied of having done that also. What is better: Aiming directly for dropping into the Infinite Ocean asap., or aiming for meeting the machine elves & aliens & turtles as fast as possible in order to be done with that: No one can tell you, only the intuition of your heart can tell you what your Karma is.

Already in our realm exists mathematical Infinity. And different sets of Infinities (Cantor). Differently sized Infinities. Some larger, some smaller, as weird as that sounds. It can be mathematically proven (see Wikipedia for example). The Reality which contains this already in our realm has to contain also these Infinity of Infinities, since they appear IN our realm already as mathematical objects. And hence, Reality contains the potential (and actuality) for Infinity "upwards", Infinity "downwards". Just look at a fractal zoom. One has to make peace with it: An Infinity of Realms manifested right now, hence upwards complexity to Infinity. And Infinity of complexity also downwards: Good luck trying to find the most fundamental building block of Reality: NEVER. Its perspectives/beings/Holons all the way down, and all the way up. Turtles all the way down, and all the way up. And True Being is Infinite Being: Not finite = Can't measure it. It is not one of these Holons, nor the sum total of all Holons. All of that is just appearance, not the Infinite Absolute. Nor can one say anything positive about it, since "it" is all Reality. Madhyamaka. Can never be pointed to as an object. Its not Infinity of Infinities, these are mathematical objects which can very well be pointed at. There is a huge difference between Infinite and Infinity. A lapse in Leos philosophy confusing these two, with pretty heavy consequences. And since there is an Infinity of Infinities, not all possible realms have to be manifested right now for there to be an Infinity of realms. And God will also never run of Infinities of realms to manifest (An Infinity of Infinities, Cantor). And on top, that doesn't even mean that all possible realms have to be manifested (now or in eternal "future") for God to never run out of a parellel manifestation of an Infinity of realms, continuing for Infinity. That can already be deducted correctly just alone from the mathematics of this realm and extrapolated to the larger Reality containing this realm/Universe. Awe inspiring? Yes. Scary for the separate-self. For sure. Once the separate-self and its need for understanding, survival and what not is transcended & switched off: God will have great fun playing hide and seek, again and again... Lets explore, there is timeless eternity to do exactly that! Just don't get hung up on trying to awaken/understand all the alien islands/turtles. Turtles all the way up, all the way down. Grasping for that understanding/alien whatever is the perfect recipe to spoil the fun. What grasps for understanding and alien islands? Not the Infinite Ocean. Only the illusion of the separate-wave-surfer. If the wave-surfer has dropped in the ocean and dissolved in its Infinite Being, expressing this as being stabilized as in blissful nondual infinite Awakened Awareness, and then goes exploring alien islands in the Infinite Ocean: Great. But if the wave-surfer has not dropped & dissolved in the ocean and does its alien wave-surfing to cope with the suffering/contraction of the separate-self/wave-surfer: Great show, just not om mani padme hum. Neither for the wave-surfer, nor for "others". Like that guy with the Messiah Complex?

I wouldn't say it like that. Understanding doesn't need to be an illusion. It is very real. Understanding the Pythagorean theorem is done by You. Only You can understand. There is nothing else that could do that. Understanding is instantaneous if it happens. "Understanding" one is a separate being is an illusion (and no understanding, but just wrong), because its just not true. Understanding that ones True Being is Infinite Being/Reality (and impersonal) is correct. And so on. Its just that there is an Infinity (of manifestation) to understand. And then there is understanding of ones essence, of impersonal Infinite Being/Infinite Reality, is the most important understanding/realization. It relieves also the urge to understand every details of the Infinity of appearances. God is busy exploring its potential (of an Infinity of Infinities of manifestation/appearance/realms). But there is a critical threshold where "it" understands its essence and Reality.

Sure? If I were you I would start wondering why you are not in a nondual infinite state of mere appearance in daily life sobre. Hint: Remaining not transcended very fast and sneaky appearing separate-self thoughts/feelings/filters/lenses which are not seen through because Awareness is too slow to cut these off real-time. And these separate-self-remnants hypnotize and give bias to all appearing appearance. Btw., not theory, but personal experience. What stands between you and impersonal nondual infinite mere appearance Awakened Awareness is... too much not fast enough seen through/cut off Leo. And through these lenses you filter all your Alien- and facets of Awakening experiences. Trust me on that: You can not anticipate how it is when these finally drop. And all your alien-preferences are the same illusion-filters of... Leo. Sure there are Aliens against we all look like ants! But they have the same essence as "we" have. And then there are Aliens against which the alien of the former sentence look like ants. Forever, turtles upon turtles upon turtles... And there are Aliens that make that alien-Leo-consciousness (of) appear like ants. Turtles upon Turtles, n+1, forever. But have fun climbing that turtles... You go wave surfing, yours truly dissolved in the Infinite Ocean... its a free country I guess. Ok, lets see if Keanu spirit is still among us: "I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves Selling "Have fun" by the River

Sure. But enlightened is even better, and with too much fascination for aliens (or anything at all for that matter), cookies, money, power, fame, sex, whatever Maslow up&down, the wave surfer never gets tired of wave surfing, and never drops&dissolves into the Infinite Ocean. And since the Infinite Ocean is its True Being, cosplaying as alien wave-surfer ends like any wave surfing: Suffering. Self-Contraction. And not Sat-Chit-Ananda of nondual Infinite Being. On the other side, wave-surfing is the raison d'etre of this Samsara show, so who am I to complain? Mumbling along Om Mani Padme Hum by the River & smiling and cheering at the (alien, cookies,money, power, fame, sex, whatever Maslow up&down) kite-surfers appearing on the Infinite River

Ah, where did the pig-headed and arrogant in the post above go? Guess I just imagined that. Well, never mind my friend. I plead guilty on the arrogance and unshakeability of the Absolute Infinite Eternal Reality which never changes (only appears to do so), and which gives birth to all things. And pig-headed: the german native speaker learned a new english word, which can be quite useful the describe phenomena in this lovely little Samsara of ours. I mean, from which "place" "one" can be more arrogant and non-yielding confident than from this lovely piece of real estate of Infinite Reality. I admit guilty on that also. But on the other side "it" gives some nice grounding (in the groundless ground of being with no moving parts, and hence no possible damage possibly occuring), freedom of mind, and a good portion of fearlessness (oh, my present illusion-vehicle transpired - what a pitty. Back to square 1). And on the question if it restores some kind of "ideological" lightness, humour and tolerance, the reader may make up his/her own mind. And of course Sat Chit Ananda. So, yours truly can't really complain. Actualized.org is my favourite "waste of time", so to say. I admit to that also. May all beings be happy. PS: Your Public Relations consultant got better. Always be positive and on the light side. Any being always does what it wants anyway, and the world gotta do what the world gotta do: "I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves

Gestapo? Sprechen Sie deutsch ?! Heaven in Europe is where the English are the policemen the French are the cooks the German are the mechanics the Italians are the lovers and the Swiss organize everything Hell in Europe is where the German are the policemen the English are the cooks the French are the mechanics the Swiss are the lovers and the Italians organize everything

And you confuse the summum bonum of realizing/living/ stabilizing non-dual undivided infinite Absolute Reality without any filters and lenses of separation still left, or in other words Infinite Being, eternal and timeless, with its changing and temporary manifestations and understandings, looking through remaining filters of separation, through which you interpret all these alien appearances/understandings/illusions. What is the essence of Alien consciousness (of)? YOU. Where was your alien before you were born? Do I need to get fascinated by alien turtles upon turtles upon turtles, to Infinity? Or rather, confuse my Being with that fascination? I know that that what you talk about appears. Never doubted that, or "your" aliens. I just don't give it the importance you give to it. What is that importance, ARISING IN YOU? The last remaining filters/lenses of separate-Leo. But don't worry, no one is left behind. Also separate-Leo-illusion not. https://www.actualized.org/insights/crocodile-love Selling crocodile love by the River - and also at the same only the best to relative Leo. May he have fun and rejoice in his explorations, and wake truly up one day to the futility of climbing aliens turtles upon turtles upon turtles, before any crocodile may even smile at him. And then, "he" can continue exploring alien turtles upon turtles upon turtles, but will do it as celebration and not from a perspective of separate-self-Leo-suffering-contraction-lack, but from infinite abudance without any sense of urgency or lack. Or higher or lower. And he will look with the same love at the flower in his garden as to the highest Alien Consciousness (of). And all of that just for fun, because there is nothing else to do. For eternity. Om mani padme hum ) Always right here.

Real is that which can not not be here. That which is realized in Enlightenment. And everything else (all appearance) is, sorry, finally... illusion. Appearance. Temporary and passing. Find that which can not not be here. That which was here before the birth of your parents. That Koan has literal answer. And that is the only Reality.

Any appearance is an illusion. You will know then...

Maybe someone should ask him on what precisly he changed his mind. He is not the only to discover more after nondual Enlightenment. Harri Aalto. Szyper, LOVE LIGHT: NON-DUALITY, NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES AND GOD. Here you can also find what you call Love as Absolute. Szyper places love/light/God/Goddess of mercy/love/light as ripened version of mere "bleak" nondual insight/Enlightenment. But all of that is happening on the manifestation side... in, on and as the ground of being. YOU. All of that falls on the manifest side, even if its subtle or alien. Timeless Infinite Absolute Reality remains the same. Do YOU really change in essence? Who/What is aware of all of that which is possible? Whatever Ralston has realized, did it change "his" timeless True Being? Or did "he" just realize more of what "that" can do/manifest/? Leo, its Infinity upwards. There is no end. n+1. Your islands of "alien consciousness" (OF) in the vast infinite Ocean of Being rests on other islands/turtles, downwards and upwards to Infinity. Turtles on Turtles on Turtles on Turtles, and no end in sight, nor ever could be. Face it, and see what the fascination is made of (you), and let it die. And see what remains (You). And then enjoy all of it, small or big, alien or not... A divine understanding, an alien realization, a flower in your garden... until the final crocodile of this life smiles at "you" and bites... Meet you there - already right now.

Oh, there are a lot. An infinity of crocodiles. Until the is no separate anything left, they will bite for (near) eternity. Whom? The imagined illusory separate self. No separate-self gets left behind. They are all killed and eaten by the crocodile in the end. Leave no separate-self man behind:

You will understand why (true) Enlightenment can't be a hallucination when you have the realization of Enlightenment. Not one moment before. Impossible to explain. It is Absolute, beyond any possible doubt. It is the only Reality. Infinite, without a second, with no alternativ to it. It is the Reality of YOU, and the Reality of the "world" that you experience (I assume) as outside. There is no outside. Only You. You can not doubt that, nothing can gaslight you in that realization. It is beyond all of that. What arrogance!!! Nice piece of real estate for happy&carefree living, hm? What this Absolute Reality/True Being (without anything possibly outside of it, aka Oneness or Nondual or Infinite or One without a second) can do/imagine/manifest: Even God or Reality is exploring that. And that is forever an Infinity, never to reach the end. God will forever explore its potential of manifestation, will never reach the end. In the end is a mystery to itself, when it comes to the manifestation side. Here, Leo and I align. Although he is a bit more fascinated on the Consciousness OF side, which for me is just appearance, because any perspective/being/consciousness of/Alien/God/human/ant/whatever is itself also just appearance. Appearing IN THAT. While the essence of Reality, and of any appearance or manifestation (alien n+1 or not), your True Infinite Being, can very well be realized. Its you. True you. Not the illusion. On that side (not on the manifestation side or consciousness OF), the bug stops here. Koan de jour: Where does the bug stop?

"Suffering, psychological suffering, is not necessary and can be avoided. However, there is certainly pain and that cannot be avoided. Hence the distinction. To enjoy pleasure and suffer pain is part of the package of having a body. Psychological suffering is the most intense of all and it is not necessary. If you don’t want to make a distinction, I cannot explain why psychological suffering is not necessary. Psychological suffering is related to the notion of a sufferer, a person. It is always related to past and future. Consider for instance the case of my friend William Samuel. During World War II he was in China. He was assigned a Chinese interpreter who was a Taoist sage, although he didn’t know it at the time. The first thing that he noticed about this man was that he was always happy, smiling and enjoying. One day they were in great danger. William’s platoon was being pursued by the Japanese who were very close. They were running back towards their lines. There were hills on the horizon and the sage pointed to the purple line of the mountains and said to William, “Look, how beautiful!” William said, “It was the last thing I would have thought about at that moment.” Some time later William discovered that three months earlier the sage’s wife had been raped and killed by the Japanese and that they had also killed his two sons. That’s what triggered his interest in this man, and he eventually became his student. This Taoist sage was free from the past. He may have been in pain, but he was not suffering on account of the death of his wife and children. In seeing the beauty of the purple hills while under enemy fire, he was teaching a wonderful lesson in courage and love. It is hard to imagine more atrocious circumstances." Francis Lucille, The Perfume of Silence The sufferer and suffering is an arising in Infinite Being. It is not real. It truly is not, and until that is obvious for you 24/7 these kind of questions will bug you - quite a lot. It all just appears, and is illusion. There are no 12-year-old-daughters kidnapped and raped 60 times a day by Isis. There is no such being as your 12 year old daughter. There is no you truly having a daughter. Only the illusion of it. There truly only is Infinite Being, YOU. True You. Capital letters. Who is thinking about all these Horror Szenarios again? Where has the nightmare of last nights dream gone? So, after stepped quite a lot on the Absolute Side of the Street, WbtR steps back to the relative side of the street, and wishes Breakingthewall a nice day

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion "The Taiping Rebellion, also known as the Taiping Civil War or the Taiping Revolution, was a civil war in China between the Manchu-led Qing dynasty and the Hakka-led Taiping Heavenly Kingdom. The conflict lasted for 14 years, from its outbreak in 1850 until the fall of Taiping-controlled Nanjing—which they had renamed Tianjing "heavenly capital"—in 1864. However, the last rebel forces were not defeated until August 1871. Estimates of the conflict's death toll range between 20 and 30 million people, representing 5–10% of China's population at that time.[5] While the Qing ultimately defeated the rebellion, the victory came at a great cost to the state's economic and political viability. The uprising was led by Hong Xiuquan, an ethnic Hakka who had proclaimed himself to be the brother of Jesus Christ." The Koan de jour: WHO did that??

Surface Structure of Enlightenment: The interpretation and expression of Enlightenment (realizing ones True Being as Infinite Being/Totality/Nothingness appearing as Infinite Being, which is the end of believing and buying into the illusion-appearance of a separate-anything/self in any way) is dependend on the structure/body-mind. And that evolves and changes. And has an endless variety. (surface structure). Deep Structure of Enlightenment: A Being in non-physical subtle realms, beings containing a whole realm or a World Soul, or even an alien from another galaxy will have a different expression - and a much different appearance and understanding in its mind-stream/perspective than an enlightend human. Yet, if you ask them "What are you?" the answer is "Infinite Being/The Totality/all there is/Nothing and everything". And if you ask them if they suffer (or resists some parts of their nondual being/appearances), the answer is "no, in this nondual mind-state with the separate-self-contraction/illusion seen through and cut off there is no suffering or resistance of parts of ones own being, there is bliss of the nature of my True Nondual Being, the Infinite Totality itself". Sat Chit Ananda. So, "they" are are aware that they are the Infinite Totality beyond which nothing can exist/appear, and there is no separate anything/self left. And that is the crucial difference to part-time and incomplete Awakenings of a separate-self-illusion. Ralston has now opened up a stage humans can develop to, which by the way is nothing new. Just read Harri Aalto for example, and many of the past masters. Wolinsky writes about Alien Realms for example, Jac O'Keffee, Ziewe also, and what not. What were Alien realms/expressions of consciousness called in medieval times? Divine beings, archetypes, and many names. And the mystical literature is full of that, including merging and becoming them. But giving too much importance to these new alien/divine islands of appearance (appearance, which they all are, since the "one" perceiving them is also structure-appearance), especially coming from an unenlightened being with separate-self well & alive & not fully transcended having awakening experiences ... well, suffering until wising up. Too much fascination with ones own tail or manifestation so to say. And that too much fascination prevents Enlightenment... because what is this fascination? An essential building block of the separate-self illusion. It is not that there is no room for alien islands of consciousness in Water by the Rivers perspective. It is just that no ultimate importance is given to them, because if that is the highest goal, only suffering will follow - as with every fascination on aspects of ones own being/tail that makes the separate-self grasp on certain experiences. The ocean is always right here, eternally so. If one is busy wave-surfing, one never drops into the Infinite Ocean fully, never truly becomes it on deep identity level (with all the benefits of persistant nondual states), and always stays the "wave-surfer". Yet, for some beings it seems to be their Raison d'être, so all its fine. Ignorance (or suffering separation and the absence of Sat Chit Ananda) is only a bad idea from the perspective of ignorance - Francis Lucille. For the Totality looking through all eyes its great fun! Else it wouldn't happen. Selling little alien islands in "the" Infinite Ocean to eagerly fascinated seekers (while keeping n+1 or an infinity of them for future hypnotizing explorations)

Maybe (real) You is the octopus, Alien, what Not,…, already? In a totally obvious way, if certain illusions of duality and separation are cleared away? Fascinating. What does Nonduality and Oneness actually mean and imply? Which apparently is supposed to always be true , or the case? Oh well, just forgot, we are sometimes a little bit selective here, and are not always aware of this Absolute Truth. Some minor or major illusions of separation and duality sometimes interfere. But nothing that some substances can not temporary, at least partly, clarify a bit. Partly. Temporary.

And now imagine n plus 1 leaps, and n to infinity. Whoopsy, scary stuff, hm? And yet, it is still just more islands in „the“ ocean. And who are what is „the“ ocean again? Appearance of talking to „myself“ appearing by the River

Exactly Agent Smith

Aka as imagined right now