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@willl Why can't you be grateful for eating plant-based foods though? Why do animals have to suffer and die for your consumption?

To even entertain the thought that someone, outside of yourself, "messed you up" is a total victim mentality. Even is there a kernel of truth in someone messing you up, it is your own mentality that is keeping it going. In fact, the only reason people can mess you up is if you let yourself be messed up AND keep it that way. Life has a funny way of exposing your weaknesses, learn from them and move on.

Of course, it's totally possible they have some kind of low awareness. But as far as I know, plants don't have a brain, the ability to process emotion and pain, a nervous system and a sentient awareness. Don't get me wrong, animals definitely have a lower awareness than humans, but quite a sophisticated awareness nonetheless compared to plants. The hypocracy of humans is exemplified by research that has shown a higher intellect in pigs than in dogs. Yet look at how we, as a society, treat dogs vs pigs.

@Shunyata No i'm a heterosexual man. I'm not saying the physical appearance of a woman is irrelevant. Or that it can't be titillating. It's just overrated, well in my opinion at least.

You don't develop love. Love is the default. You have to ask yourself what is preventing you from experiencing your own love. You didn't hate how you looked as a little kid, you picked up your hate somewhere along the way. And it really isn't about how you look, it's deeper.

It's ego/fear. Reduce your ego/fear and it will become clear to you that the universe is a place of abundance and you will never have to fear that you can't get enough of what you need. That is the root problem, people think the universe is a place of lack - not abundance. The result is that most people are a sophisticated version of Gollum in Lord of the Rings and they always feel a strong need to protect "my precious".

One of the things that make us human is our ability for compassion and empathy. If you asked people to kill a cow or a pig themselves with a knife, they could not do it. Maybe if their life depended on it. Also, unless you are a psychopath, if you see an animal being tortured it will affect you in some way emotionally. It's not all "hierarchy" or the circle of life or whatever. Would you be okay if the rich people decided it is okay to eat and kill poor people just because they are higher in the social hierarchy? Of course not. You can't compare the behavior of wild animals with sophisticated human beings. Humanity has evolved spiritually and emotionally and is perfectly capable of employing higher ethics. And in a lot of cases we are. Eating meat also has nothing to do with survival. It's a total luxury and you can survive just as well without eating meat.

It baffles me how obsessed most men are with supermodels - or superhot chicks in general. Most supermodels are total self-absorbed airheads, their looks are the only thing going for them. They are a total bore to converse with, It's so damn shallow. Sure it's fun to flirt around a bit.. but apart from that... I know this is a "3/10 would not bang, elbows too pointy, i've had better'-post. But still

I personally experienced that when I am depressed, feel stuck in life, bored, unchallenged, unpassionate etc. The pull toward addictive behavior increases. I feel the lure of the devil pulling me: drugs, unhealthy sexual behavior, alcohol, shitty food, laziness, apathy. When I'm doing things in life that excite me, that I feel passionate about, things that recquire my full attention and love. Then all these addictive tendencies drop away. It just is not interesting enough to engage in as the things I am passionate about are simply way more fulfilling. And when I don't have that passion in my life, just forcing myself to cut out the addicitive stuff simply does not work. The heart will always look for love to some capacity, and it will resort to cheap love if it has to(drugs). So instead of looking to destroy the addicitive behavior, I think it's more productive to fill that hole in your heart with new 'wholesome' behavior that will make you way more happy in the long run To me; addictive behavior is just a cheap substitute to doing things you are passionate about.

How can you be dead if you were never alive to begin with?

@Javfly33 That's a fair comment. The problem with most posters here is that they stuck in that Pua paradigm and create a philosophy around it. It's fair to say that approaching a women, socializing, being assertive is not much of an issue for me. And I can see that pickup can teach men social skills and to be more comfortable around women in social situations. It's probably also got to do with that most posters in here are probably fairly young guys with not much relationship experience.

I think we can pretty much answer the question with that quote and lock the topic. That's the true answer right there

@Globalcollective Yes but you have to open to the possibilities that a lot of biological "needs" can be transcended to a certain degree with higher consciousness, far past what the collective consciousness thinks is possible. For example, Leo himself has said that he has met - or at least read about - spiritual masters that structurally function just fine on a daily small bowl of rice, a couple glasses of water and 3 hours of sleep. Also Zen masters that can have surgical operations on their body without narcotics, without flinching.

@aurum Well according to Leo dating a 10/10 "supermodel" is the holy grail of dating. I know for a fact a lot of these supermodel women have worked as high-class escort girls working their way up the ladder. Of course this is kept under wraps as much as possible. And the supermodel would never admit this until the proof comes out. So what do I make of this? Ignorance is bliss?

@Globalcollective Biological drives/needs have nothing to do with this, I don't think anyone has claimed that in this topic. The claim is that it is possible to have an unconditional type of love with a romantic partner that transcends social status, looks, money, fame, notoriety etc. Basically a love that transcends the material realm of being. According to most people here this is a fairy tale and not possible. It's okay if you think that. My experience does not stroke with that belief.

@Harmony342 It's not 4 dichotomies. Jung has distinctly defined 8 cognitive functions that the human perceives and judges his or hers experience by. And it seems people have an innate preference of the order of these cognitive functions people view the reality-lense through. It's hard to quantify this with the scientific method. But it is being worked on. I know a psychologist Dario Nardi is working on this. He is doing brain scans on people to see the preferences in the neural pathways of the brain. And that people that show a preference for Intuition show different results on the brainscans than the Sensing types. Don't pin me on the details. And sure the differences in people are infinite. But it is still possible that people's brains prefers to process information in a certain way as opposed to someone else. And that this is not the defintive measurement of a person's character. But it can explain differences in people in broad strokes.

@Etherial Cat Hahahah. I'm just picturing Eckhart Tolle leaving his wife for a 21 y/o supermodel as she has way more sexual, monetary and social value than his current wife. And Eckhart explaining it as; well that's just the ruthless nature of the dating game, you just need to practice to accept this and not be so lovey dovey. I hope people see how ridiculous this is and that a person of high spiritual development doesn't view "dating" as the people at a lower development. And don't tell me the reason a man like Eckhart is not with a supermodel is because he cannot attract one. Most supermodel women would eat out of his hand if they met.

@Preety_India Yes and I don't want to judge them for it as I had a similar view of dating before I experienced a higher form of romantic love at the age of 21. And this love is not cultural as someone else said, I'm a man from the West. I grew up with all this Orange type of dating paradigm. It wasn't some kind of indoctrination or brainwashing that changed my view of dating. It was a lucky experience completely out of the blue.

@Preety_India You said it very well. I think the romantic love we are talking about is not necessarily the highest level of enlightened unconditional love of a zen master. But it is of a higher vibration and consciousness than the Orange kind of relationships the people in this topic are talking about.

The problem with Leo's perspective on dating and romantic relationships is that he will always view people of the opposite sex as a commodity, not as complete human being. And you can never have a deep connection with a commodity. Sure you can say that I'm denying the reality of dating, that I'm delusional and drinking the Disneyland Koolaid. But at the same time, just because the current reality is certain way now, does not mean this is Truthful. And if something is not Truthful right now, does not mean it can't be Truthful in the future. You can make the same argument as a business owner who exploits and screws over his employees. He is just being pragmatic so that he can stay competitive in the market place. From a pragmatist point of view he is completely justified in exploiting his employees. But we can all intuit something is off about it. Hell, Leo even made a video about the importance of looking at the world through a deeper intuition, not how things literally are.

@mmKay Tmi bro, tmi. Lol

The funny thing about life is that even if we demystified and had an explanation for literally everything in the universe, we’d still not be satisfied with the answer, it will still feel incomplete. Why? We , as a human race, are hopeless in our ability to communicate what love is. Maybe one day we will get there.

Leo it seems to me that you view and experience relationships as a fluid transaction of subjective value between two parties. And youd be probably right in most relationships. But please be open minded that it is possible for two people to have such a deep love that all this falls away. In true love the value cannot be quantified nor be put in a formula. This is not puppy love or plain unconsciousness, this love is a transcendance of the so called value trading. A love so deep that you can communicate with the other without speaking. The value trade is irrelevant. The value is in being

@Preety_India Yes i have also experienced this deep romantic love for people that transcends everything material. But it is difficult to communicate this to people who have not. My guess is that the vast majority of people in the Pua community have never experienced this kind of love. And that has warped their view of romantic relationships. Leo included. Im not judging the pua guys as I view myself as lucky and privileged to have been able to experience this kind of love. I just hope the Pua guys try to keep an open mind that one day they may also experience true love

i dont know where you got the idea from that romantic relationships are all about sex, or sexual value as you call it. A persons sex appeal is only 1 aspect in the equation, you are overrating it. Your pragmatism regarding relationships is going overboard. There is such a thing as personal compatibility. People have different personalities and some people are more compatible than others. Surely you’ve intuitively grasped this by now. Also , love for a romantic partner does exist. A love that can transcend looks and social status. Two people can have such a strong telepathic bond that external factors play little role in their love for each other. is this self biased bullshit? Maybe it is. But still, this self biased bullshit can beat the other ego bullshit of attaining the female with the highest sexual value. trying to get the woman with the highest sex appeal is nothing different from getting the most expensive car, the biggest house or the biggest bank account. It has little value in the happiness of your life.