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At first, I thought you were being real. It's not far from being real, which makes it funny.

Or comedic genius.

@Leo Gura, by glancing over all of David Chapman's sources and Substack, he doesn't strike me as a materialist at all. He is into Dzogchen Buddhism. Even on the homepage of his Substack, it is written, "Enlightenment is our natural state".

It was impressive.

So, the person, David Chapman, who runs metarationality.com also runs meaningness.com vividness.live buddhism-for-vampires.com betterwithout.ai His Substack: meaningness.substack.com

Thanks. It's been on my mind to read it since it was mentioned here recently. Also, do you think that source could help develop one's rationality significantly?

Let me rephrase it. What do people with PhDs undergo that you think makes them grasp rationality? You say you must have a PhD to grasp rationality, and then you also say it depends on the job if it's technical. So, I wanted to know how much practice I'm missing.

I was thinking about how are people able to point to and be aware of things in your experience if their POV is imagined by you. How is it possible that it is imagined, yet what they say can happen to you? If they are aware of their experiences, then their experience must exist; yet, it doesn't. If it exists as a totally separate thing, then we have more than one instance of experience. However, if your experience is all there is, then the experience of another person should be all there is too. Interestingly, every person you meet will tell you that they are also having an experience. Paradoxically, every possible experience that there could be must be your experience otherwise you would limit yourself to only your lifetime's experience; however, they aren't happening to you as of the moment. What do you think is going to come into existence when you die? How can it be that you somehow came into existence to have your experience and then you die and vanish, but then another thing or even person (that is not you) comes into existence with their experience after you die? That's absurd. You cannot claim to be everything and then say the POV of another is not yours, even if it's not accessible to you. The implication of this is very tough to swallow, because you would be everyone you hate, not only in terms of appearance (i.e., those people who appear to you), but also in terms of experience, because you would literally go through everyone's experience.

Did you know what the job I mentioned is about?

You said it depends on the job, and then I wanted to know if you think that the job I mentioned can develop one's rationality in a way similar to what you believe people with PhDs have developed.

He "surrenders" thinking and understanding, which is of his own doing, and yet he thinks he understands stuff. 😁 I assume he's had some realization, however, he's using it to justify absurd stuff. Notice that he changes what he means when it doesn't suit him, even though I didn't disagree with him with "there's no one in the body or whatever".

What do you think about technical writing?

If you can't point yourself in the body, that doesn't mean you shouldn't do what you need or want. You are still human. You cannot change being human by knowing that there is no doer or something else. You are in a specific state.

Nothing is wrong with animals. You should behave like an animal if you did whatever your body needed. But you somewhat don't. And then you do mental acrobatics for why you should only do what your body needs. It's because you have given up on thinking. What a self-fulfilling prophecy! You are taking granted for your development. You assume that you were born with your current development.

He is drawing absurd conclusions from whatever he has become aware of.

If you had only done what your body needed, you'd be just an animal. However, you are doing things that you want to do, e.g., posting in this thread or another thing. So, you're being disingenuous with me. By the way, no matter how much you say not to control the body and mind, you have control over them in ways that aren't obvious to you immediately. Sure, you don't have direct control of your organs. What you said isn't a serious justification for not meditating or doing psychedelics.

Do you understand that food is something that your body needs? Everything includes food. You said surrender everything, which means to surrender your hunger.

Surrender eating food. 😉 That's your logic, not mine.

If you surrender everything, your body will stop functioning.

@Leo Gura, do you think having a technical job can help one develop rationality?

@Leo Gura, nice share! I haven't finished "Awakening from the Meaning Crisis" yet, but I can't wait to watch "After Socrates".

By your logic, you should also surrender meditation. Well, do what you want, but at least be coherent and honest with yourself. There could be other legitimate reasons why you wouldn't or shouldn't do meditation or psychedelics without justifying it with your beliefs or ideology.

😁 Yeah, psychedelics are serious stuff. My pleasure.

@Mellowmarsh, psychedelics might be of help. The profoundness of the trip would likely shock you. I don't feel quite confident to formulate an answer now, because I only had two profound trips, and I barely began understanding it. However, if you do, your state will change, and you might have an awakening.

That's the question. I am as mesmerized as you. However, it's been getting obvious that I don't know lots of stuff. I'm not just telling myself I don't know; it shocks me to the core. I think that I'm slowly integrating my psychedelic trip. I have been feeling the same way.