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@Leo Gura So it's the state change that matters. But how can you determine if others had actual awakenings if they speak like you? If someone told you he or she had an awakening without doing meditation or psychedelics, would you say they were deluding themselves?

@Leo Gura Can't contemplation awaken you, like meditation? Are awakenings possible only with meditation and psychedelics?

You don't see how problematic it is. I was just giving you an example of how bad your situation could have been.

@Schizophonia Imagine a place where having a girlfriend and not informing her brothers and not planning your marriage with her and your family is extremely insulting. 😁

@Thought Art He is either a comedic genius or doesn't know that it's a trap.

You are right. What I meant is that at least OF girls are trying to do their work, even if those guys are being dramatic about it. Just be a little bit nice to OF girls and be genuine. They (but not all of them) will see that and will care a bit about what you say and want. Am I wrong?

Yeah. Those are the ones who don't have a lot of emotional satisfaction and are "logical". I mean, just appreciate and respect that they even do it for you without caring too much about who you are (not saying that OF-ers are above anyone and you should be a doormat; they can be very deceiving).

Fake or not, I have had interesting conversations with a few of them. Some of them are just doing it because they love it. But it'll be way harder to connect with them because they see you as a client first and foremost. They can't trust your sincerity immediately.

@Leo Gura I PM-ed you four days ago. Please, would you read it in your free time?

@Carl-Richard Every community is based on some faith. What differentiates religion from others, regardless of its purpose, is that it justifies lifestyle with spiritual talk and spiritual talk with lifestyle. The technique doesn't matter, or it even makes their beliefs stronger. Think of vision as reality, and you've only been wearing one type of glasses. You don't have the experience of changing or even removing your glasses.

@StarStruck It's all about increasing your chances or luck of getting a job. The hiring process is a BS that you have to go through. But I guarantee that money will not be worth it if your group or environment isn't supportive, uplifting, inclusive, and doesn't value fair competition. There are a lot of lucky people who like to boast about how hard-working they are, but they just had the right amount of luck, regardless of their intelligence.

Be careful not to use that to justify what you find disgusting.

I agree. But there are levels, and they do matter.

Religion is like a crude game inside a game inside a game. The only way to awaken from that game is to not play, because it wasn't made to awaken in the first place, which paradoxically makes awakening possible. But other games might be different. The techniques can make you even more locked in that game.

That story is actually about rape. Anything else is religious BS.

@m0hsen Giving up religion is awakening.

Awakening is not possible by staying religious.

@m0hsen Sorry, but religions or religious people are more untruthful. By being religious, you will have a hard time actually understanding reality. You will not care about the truth.

Those are the same size.

No. Beside the spirituality bottle or inside it, but bigger than religion.

You're already in Christian Hell, but you don't label it as such. Recognize how much your beliefs are influenced by others. Knowing, feeling, understanding, looking, etc., is done by you and not others. What if they are wrong? You can never trust anybody to do things that are meant for you to do, but they have indoctrinated you into believing the opposite. That's why you can't look deep into your beliefs and actually question them. You think there's nothing to discover because it's already been done for you and is true. You believe that it's those priests or someone else's responsibility to give you the answers. That's the illusion that you have to see, and when you do it, you'll see how those people are also like you but afraid to do it, from priests to working people, because they really don't care about the truth.