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Well, it's very easy to forget that. But it's the same as identifying with your body, however, it doesn't give you permission to control people. But I don't claim that you could or even must identify with everything if you suffer from something.

Yeah. But you don't have to zoom in to understand that. The fact that the existence of any object isn't more or less real in your field of "view" should tell you that it's illogical to identify only with the body.

It's not logical to say when I pinch the body, it hurts; therefore, I'm only the body.

Being in lower or higher states isn't an assessment. It's the reverse, actually. Your human life is a stable hallucination. You helplessly believe in your human life to the core because your sanity depends on it.

I only became conscious of that on a psychedelic trip a while ago. It's not something that I can experience while being a human. Literally, at that state, being a human is a hallucination, which is not an easy thing to say. It doesn't even feel quite right to say I "experienced" it, because at that level, experience isn't a given. However, you may be able to reinterpret your normal experience after the trip.

Reality is based on experience, and you only have yours. Whatever reality you point to, may or may not be experienced in the future, however, it's not on the same level of realness as your reality until you experience it. Your experience can change, but it's all you have access to. It doesn't mean that learning from others' "experience" isn't worth it.

That's the problem. You cannot even prove others' experiences because you cannot get outside your experience, which is not to say your experience doesn't change. Please understand that I'm not entertaining a possibility here. I just realized that I cannot prove it to myself because it's impossible. I'm not even saying that you should disregard what others supposedly experience, because it can help you understand your experience.

@Breakingthewall, well, you should go further and understand that you imagine that others are simultaneously having experiences with you and that the qualia of their experience is somewhat the same. So, you will never have the opportunity to identify with a thing that you cannot experience, because it literally doesn't exist for you, even if people tell you it's happening to them and you're going to feel the same. You're always going to refer your experience. E.g., if someone is being tortured, you aren't feeling the pain that they are feeling. You can only imagine how they are feeling just by knowing what it feels like to be in pain. However, you aren't actually being tortured, which is what matters.

I don't quite understand your question and its intention.

Maybe you need to understand the reason, I don't know. However, once you see the illogical nature of how you have been identifying, you will see that there's no reason not to identify with things that you have completely disregarded. I'm not referring to your cognitive abilities. I mean whatever is in your field of "view". Different directions.

@Sugarcoat, it doesn't matter what the reason is that you identify only with your body. It's just false, which is not to say not to care about your body. When you observe your sense phenomena, you will understand that you are constructing limitations to how you identify. Well, I'm not against disidentification, but the deception is in constructing limitations.

@Sugarcoat, it's not because you want to replace but because you want to understand how you identify. Why should you mindlessly pursue not identifying with anything?

@Breakingthewall, when you identify with everything, the boundary between you and everything ceases to be, because wherever you point, you will be there. However, that wouldn't change your state to a higher one. Also, you wouldn't be able to fly like a bird or do something new because of identifying with everything.

Don't you want to understand why you identify with certain things, like your body, but not with some random chair?

Identification closes your mind when you try to defend what you like or want to identify with. Identifying with everything is not a limitation and doesn't close your mind.

Would you like your identity to be based on a falsehood? Limiting your identity is false.

@Breakingthewall, you went tangent there and made it complicated with your last response to me. I'm saying something simple that you can understand if you observe. Notice that people identify however they like, and they believe what they are identified with is natural or real than what they are not identified with. Also, people construct hierarchies of identification. You always identify with a certain number of things. But what is stopping you from identifying with or disidentifying from everything? Nothing is stopping you. Furthermore, notice that whatever phenomena happens, you are either conscious of it or not. Yes, you can understand that people can be conscious of those things also, but you imagined the qualia of their experience and that they simultaneously experienced those phenomena with you.

@Breakingthewall, that state makes you able to become conscious of that. However, in your normal state, if you observe your sense phenomena, you will eventually understand that identifying with a limited number of things is false, even if it is practical for you. So, in your normal state, you can understand that logically you must be everything.

@Breakingthewall, in your normal state, you cannot fly. But once you lose your human state, nothing would be stopping you. No one here is talking while being in that God state, because it's impossible to be in that state and be in the human state at the same time.

To claim that you are only your body is false and illogical. It doesn't matter if it's not practical.

I don't remember it clearly, but I was about 5-7 years old when I identified with my body. I remember more clearly that I was trying to understand what time was. Also, I remember clearly that I was going back from a grocery shop and realized that I was here and totally alone. Then I stopped walking and was shocked for a moment, but continued my way home as if nothing had happened.

@Ramasta9, I have been walking in nature often the last month. It has helped me to ground myself. Whether the effects are good or bad depends.

Interesting. Yeah. Although, I haven't tripped on LSD yet. Next time.

@Oppositionless, those damn THC and DPT have to do whatever happened to me. Now, I'm cautious about smoking higher doses of DMT (like more than 5 mg) because it has become way too metaphysically serious than I experienced before. Maybe all this will pass away after a few months. But I kind of like it.

@Ramasta9, I like his music.