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Of course. It defeats your whole point. You said its impossible to not kill animals. And if you mean with animals mammalian animals, birds and fish, I say it entirely possible to avoid killing even one animal in an entire lifetime. Its just that your worldview and personal agenda sees killing animals as some kind of necessity. Finding some sneaky arguments, why its ok to do so. Bull-shit.

Of course you can avoid killing. Have you ever lived with a self-sustaining homestead? With ones own garden? Maybe some worms or flies are killed, nothing more.

If truth is love, why are so many people untruthful in the pursuit of love?

Yes, my intention is not to know love via some online forum discussion. My intention is to know why the equation "Love = Truth" exists. And since an equation is intellectual I'm sure someone can derive it to me. I still don't see anyone attempt to explain.

Note, that with this line of reasoning, you can say, "truth is possible only with the grace of God", since truth = love. And I'm sure that truth, to varying degrees, is a feature of consciousness. For example the truth that "I am" is not subject to any grace from anything. I'm infinitely sure about that I am. No grace needed. You see why I question this stuff? No one of you guys, has a deep, authentic, in direct experience rooted explanation of Truth = Love.

Regarding @Leo Gura last post about analysing good structure and content in movies and video games. Its good that you study it deeply, but how many games and movies have you actually made Leo? When do you get yourself in the real world and do a grand tripple A movie or game about the nature of consciousness or whatever. We are waiting! On a side note: I watched "Taxi Driver" and "All silent on the western front" recently, which they just happen to become amongst my all time favourite movies ever. Have you guys watched "All silent on the western front"? Especially since we have war again in Europe. It leaves you utterly devastated. Real man cry on this one. Maybe the best anti-war movie ever.

Yes, I'm thinking of the powder. Currently I'm in Portugal where 5-meo, including every other psychedelic substance is descriminalized. I don't really have experiences with shrooms, but around 30-40 LSD trips, which always made me feel agitated afterwards. Thats why I prefer a short-lived 5-meo like experience. But I'm not in a rush.

Wow, glad to hear you came back from the deep, end and made it back. Thank you for sharing. I'm thinking about doing a 5-meo-DMT ceremony again. And ask God its possible to get my leg motorics back to work. But I have to wean off of the medications first. By the way, I also think that suffering can be a gift from God, but then I ask myself what is won with this gift, if it leads to suicide. I want to ask that as well.

Hey James, there was a time when I would have said pretty much the same. But listen to this, and tell me the same again. End of last year I got rolled over by a construction truck. I had almost 30 general anaesthetic surgeries, stayed in hospital beds for 6 months, and suffer from life long neuropathic pain and physical disfunction. Over the months of consecutive morphine/fentanyl use in hospital I developed dependency and addiction to said substances, which I only now (14 months later) slowly achieve to taper off. Depression and suicidal fantasies developed alongside as well. Full on suicide attempts included. Thats why I question this Truth = Love paradigm a lot. I'm not taking any word for granted solely, because Leo or some other said so. They say a lot of good and deep stuff, but I need to know for myself. And you really just say the same, but without any deep description or thought process in your statements. So please be welcome to lay out how you just stay out of suffering. Or how deeply you investigated these spiritual truth, if you have, that is.

Alright, so you would negate Leo's point "only Truth is equal to Love"? Because put precisely, it would be "Everything is Love" - and Love not as a state of goodness in the human realm. Rather a state of good being in the spiritual realm. Is this how you see it? I'm really testing the definitions here, because I don't want to spread a spiritual insight of some other, without deeply understanding it for myself.

Alright so tell me, how does one go about integrated love in life. Of course I have a direct idea of your reasoning, but this kind of love is like a flower on the tree of human affair (suffering, survival, pain, egoic domination ect.). This kind of loves feels like the ice cap of a mountain to be climbed with a lot of human sweat.

And why is satisfaction contrary to love? Why do both feel good?

Fair point. But that concludes Not everything is Love. Because one does not stay in a state of enlightenment. For most it’s just a temporary phenomenon.

Yes, it is felt with enlightenment, but enlightenment fades away quickly and we always end up in the human realm. No matter, how deep @Leo Gura went into awakening, he always came down to struggle for money, status and sex again.

Maybe I'm conflating egoic desires with a more existential love. However, if this existential love is better than egoic desires, I wonder why even the so called spiritual people rather choose the fulfilment of survival needs over existential love, which might seem untruthful from an outside perspective. And if the fulfilment of material needs/survival/desires is not contrary to existential love, why is this need for survival sometimes so damaging towards others? Is it true that we have to betray, deceive and exploit our environment to concentrate on existential love? Thats how I experience my world a lot. I first to have to earn money, social status, sex ect. to fully relax into a more unconditional love. And if money, status, sex ect. is not necessary for unconditional love, why does our nervous system stress so much about it? Is our nervous system contrary to unconditional love? And if so, why? Shouldn't our God-given nervous system be in tune with God-given unconditional love? My point is: Why is unconditional love so incompatible with literally EVERYTHING in our human dimension (ego, money, status, sex, will, survival ect.)? And if this is just like the universe functions, why is EVERYTHING = LOVE? My worldview right now would say: Human dimension = Ego, survival, stress, deception, war, will ect. Spiritual dimension = Love, understanding, insight, compassion ect. So just some part of Truth = unconditional love. Where is my train of thought flawed?

Yes, I didn't think of conventional love on this thought. What I want to know is why "Truth (espeically) = Love" and not "Truth/Un-Truth/Everything = Love". And why in our human dimension not much of this unconditional love is felt.

I mean if Truth (=no self) is Love, than giving up self would be a loving thing right? I really want to understand why Truth must be Love. And why untruthfulness feels so good (Goodness = Love?) so often.

@Leo Gura How do you think Putin will negotiate, co-operate or even manipulated Trump? And in general how does one devil deal with another devil. Who do you think is the mightier devil? As far as I know Trump, would not want to be known as the man who let Russia win european territory. Am I right? How do you think Trump wants to win over Putin, while winning with the US? I'm curious, how these devilish foxes guarding the gates of hell will deal with each other.

If it’s right; that we head towards a „wrong direction“, then things like the economy and climate will take revenge. Far worse than any immediate harm caused by Trump or any „non-establishment-populist-yapper“. And this, then undeniable damage, will balance us into right course. Think about the past. WW2 caused so much suffering on our planet (not just in victims; also in the creators) that the most peaceful 70 years of the last to millennia followed. (It seems like we need a refresh of that in Europe). The Napoleonic Wars, that lead to relative peace amongst war-torn European countries for almost a century after. Similar dynamics happened with the nuclear bombings on Japan. Which enabled us to form anti nuclear weapon treaties. Slavery in the US. Civil war in the US. I’m sure you can think of more examples. AI gave me dozens more. And even from personal life I see this balancing dynamic a lot. So what if every destructive force alive right now, is just a part of a bigger picture balancing act towards a better world?

How can the US have problems of any kind (poverty, drug epidemics and high crime rates), yet spend trillions (around 900 billion this year) of dollars into military, which cannot create new value by itself. Think about this, every dollar invested into "military stuff" cannot create new dollars. The investing chain ends with military expanditures. All the while spending more on military than the next 9 richest countries combined. I get that the US needs a large military to protect its global economic scheme, but THIS much? There needs to be a good reason, that I'm not seeing.

@Leo Gura

@Leo Gura Hey Leo, get your ass sorted and update your video sound files on Spotify

I'm sure Leo has a blog post quote of himself saying: Ignorance is Bliss. Which seems to be true right? Zoning out, forgetting about the pain of others, forgetting about ones responsibilities ect. can correlate to a sense of bliss. Isn't it like that? And then we have this quote here from the man Sadhguru himself. And this quote also resonates with a lot of truth to me. So who is right? Has one of either uttered the real truth here? To this I feel like, Leo holds some truth here in regards of his view on humankind. Which is a lot more pessimistic and ignorant (blissful for him?) to see the good in people. Whereas Sadhguru seems to intuit that a human has the capability of realising the suffering in the world and integrating it in his fundamental blissful state. PS: Sorry @Leo GuraI just hate how you hate on people all the time. Isn't this wonderfully paradoxical

I don't really think so.

Bro, this whole forum is about fruitless debate and drama.