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So you're denying the existence of suffering? In that case you're also denying Buddha's teachings about suffering (dukkha).

Because I want to know the truth about reality. And because I want to stop suffering.

When a frustrated seeker has been seeking for years without success, and has tried everything, at some point he/she might feel that only physical suicide is left to try, but the teachers say that physical suicide is absolutely forbidden..

So I should committ physical suicide? If not: why not? In the past I simply didn't try getting enlightened. I didn't try to stop trying, trying just fell off because of disinterest. So I should let go now? Ok 1 sec... No that didn't work either.

That's why I said that especially for me it should be easy, because I don't like the dream. Not at all. And your reply is: "you enjoy suffering". Ok let's play with the idea that I somehow enjoy suffering: how can I fix that? How do I stop enjoying suffering?

Well, I guess I can only repeat what I said a bit earlier: everything you people say, I've already heard a million times, and it's quite possible that those things are true, but they don't help at all.

I have watched thousands of YouTube videos about nonduality, read many books, and been a member in this forum for many years, so I know all the theory about it, for example the thing that "trying to achieve it is running from it." But it doesn't help. I don't get enlightened when I stop trying to achieve it. There has been periods when I haven't been trying to achieve it. I've heard "you enjoy suffering" a billion times as well. That doesn't help either. So I'm somehow supposed to stop enjoying suffering? When my experience tells me that I'm not enjoying suffering? I'm not buying it. You guys are only doing mental gymnastics all the time, creating concepts and beliefs.

That is basically religion, because you are saying things without evidence. I'm not denying that what you say could be true, but.. you can say all kind of things without evidence. You could also for example say that "you will get cake in heaven after you die". Yes that could be true, but since it's just a idea without evidence, it's in practice worthless, it doesn't help me.

That's a idea which could be true. But I can't know whether it's true or not. So basically, your answer is no answer at all in this case, so it doesn't help at all, unfortunately.

That is not possible. There's nothing for me to enjoy here.

Yes. It will take much more than bad weather to make the human race go extinct. Humans will want to live no matter what. No matter the circumstances. Even if it only consists of massive suffering. It will always be worth living for them. Take for example the resistence against assisted suicide. It's illegal in many countries. Especially in Sweden. People are retarded in their brains because they irrationally always just want to live, and force life on others, even if it means massive suffering.

@Preety_India Didn't you say before that you have lived in USA or something?

@Preety_India No way.. That's crazy.. And you are over 18 and they are allowed to force you to marry? I can barely comprehend that, it's so crazy to hear for someone who lives in the west. Unreal. Wtf.. You should leave the country as soon as possible, at all cost. Hm how much would it cost for you to leave the country..?

Man, usually I would completely dismiss that idea which seems like a insane idea. But the problem is that I too have kinda experienced that. I think it might just be a hallucination thing.

For example the enlightened experience is that the body isn't a separate self. But the standard experience is that the body is a separate self. In a survey with 10 million people where they can choose between: A. I know beyond doubt that I'm a separate self. B. I know beyond doubt that I'm not a separate self. 99.9% of them would choose option A. So it makes no sense to believe more in what the 0.1% say and take it as "The Ultimate Truth". Basically, why are you people listening to supposedly enlightened people?

That's really weird. Wtf is their problem? Maybe consider moving to a different country where you can sit on a public place and meditate.

My point is that you guys believe more in the 0.1% than in the 99.9%. You guys know I'm right, you're just pretending to be clever and enlightened. The whole reason why you even started chasing enlightenment is because you heard about it from a few people. You wouldn't invest so much time and energy into the seeking if you wouldn't believe the 0.1%. Whatever, I forgot that everyone is always playing enlightened smartasses here instead of being honest.

I think this is the first time you say that enlightenment isn't a experience. I could be wrong though. But anyway, it's just good that you don't use the same words all the time.

But also paying attention is something which is taught. And paying attention for thousands of hours could make you hallucinate unreal things. For example some people hallucinate stuff in sensory deprivation tanks. There's nothing added in sensory deprivation tanks, only removed. Yet they start hallucinating unreal things.

Ok but if you put so much effort in it, isn't it likely that you only managed to brainwash/reprogram yourself so that you are now seeing a illusion? Because your natural, unaltered experience (your experience before the thousands of hours of struggle) was that you were a separate self.

Ok in that case that decides the matter: I'm a super separate self.

Oh yes, 100%. I'm so freaking separate that it's unbelievable.

Ok so in this case you are kinda one of the "rare enlightened ones". Why should I listen to you? My own experience is that I'm a separate self. So shouldn't I give that the most credibility?

Btw if Leo would be a anti-vaxxer I would of course immediately leave this place and never look back.

I don't know if this has been posted here already but.. Jennifer Aniston says goodbye to her anti-vaxxer friends ?: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-jennifer-aniston-clarifies-comments-about-cutting-off-her-unvaccinated-friends-12374434 "In her interview with InStyle, published on Tuesday, Aniston said: 'There's still a large group of people who are anti-vaxxers or just don't listen to the facts. It's a real shame.'" "a lot of opinions don't feel based in anything except fear or propaganda." CNN fires all their anti-vaxxer employees ?: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58112125 "'Let me be clear - we have a zero-tolerance policy on this,' Mr Zucker, chairman of news and sports for WarnerMedia, is quoted as saying." "Many large firms - including Facebook and Google - say they will require employees to be vaccinated when offices fully re-open in the months ahead." I love such stuff.