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@Butters Yeah PBD is a good example

Hey everyone, If you ever took a business course, you probably have noticed, how most business gurus try to sneak in some of their right wing poison to the course. Whether anti abortion bs, climate change denial or some conspiracy theory, you name it. It's true, that biz is very related to capitalism, which naturally explains the conservative political views, but is there any way to learn the basics of business without having to endure their political propaganda? I'd be happy if you can provide any resources.

Schopenhauer, for his radical intellectual honesty when it comes to his metaphysical finds Hegel, less for his writing style more for his ability to synthesize great deal of western philosophy before him in one system and not glossing over metaphysical philosophy Nietzsche, for his love of life

Going through personal development journey, I'd assume most people would have to step outside their comfort zone and expose themselves to unpleasant experiences they fear, whatever their goal might be, it's necessary. Just like hitting the gym and intentionally damaging the muscle, solely for the reason they'll be stronger, we cause damage to the ego and peel off its layers and reconstruct stronger ones by exposing ourselves to such experiences. My question is how do you determine where it gets extreme and it might hurt you more than it actually helps? and where do you draw the line? I'd like to compare it with a soldier who gets back with ptsd from war.

This is what @Leo Gura means, when he talks about moderation. It's tough shit.

@Matthew85 Check out this trip report. It kinda helped me with such questions https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/59682-5g-magic-mushroom-trip-report-with-lemon-tek-i-am-an-imagination-of-nothing/?page=1

"The teachers of the purpose of existence. - Whether I regard human beings with a good or with an evil eye, I always find them engaged in a single task, each and every one of them: to do what benefits the preservation of the human race. Not from a feeling of love for the race, but simply because within them nothing is older, stronger, more inexorable and invincible than this instinct - because this instinct constitutes the essence of our species and herd. One might quickly enough, with the usual myopia from five steps away, divide one's neighbours into useful and harmful, good and evil; but on a large-scale assessment, upon further reflection on the whole, one grows suspicious of this tidying and separating and finally abandons it. Even the most harmful person may actually be the most useful when it comes to the preservation of the species; for he nurtures in himself or through his effects on others drives without which humanity would long since have become feeble or rotten. Hatred, delight in the misfortunes of others, the lust to rob and rule, and whatever else is called evil: all belong to the amazing economy of the preservation of the species, an economy which is certainly costly, wasteful, and on the whole maybe foolish - but still proven to have preserved our race so far. I no longer know whether you, my dear fellow man and neighbour, are even capable of living in a way which is damaging to the species, i.e. 'unreasonably' and 'badly'. What might have harmed the species may have become extinct many thousands of years ago and may by now belong to the things that are no longer possible even for God. Pursue your hest or your worst desires, and above all, perish! In both cases you are probably still in some way a promoter and benefactor of humanity and are thus entitled to your eulogists - as well as to your mockers! But you will never find someone who could completely mock you, the individual, even in your hest qualities, someone who could bring home to you as far as truth allows your boundless, fly- and frog-like wretchedness! To laugh at oneself as one would have to laugh in order to laugh.from the whole truth - for that, not even the hest have had enough sense of truth, and the most gifted have had far too little genius! " -Nietzsche, the gay science

But what drives "gravity" to pull things down? Or what drives gravity to be the way it is? Unity by its own concept (regardless if you awakend to it or not) must include everything within itself—not even nothing can be outside it. One cannot have the whole or unity on one side, and the parts, forms, or differences on another. You see? To grasp a concept which contains everything in its full difference and contradiction in respect to itself, yet is not an empty abstraction like pure being or empty nothingness is not an easy task. So unity is only unity by virtue of the parts and differences which make it up, and these differences only are differences insofar they find themselves in a united whole and their respective place to each other within the context of the whole. This separation and these Differences, when looked at from a higher consciousness, they'll seem tautological. So they're differences that really aren't differences lol

@Oeaohoo Thanks for the answers! Very helpful Yeah I was trying to understand this. I think he claims it's and has always been Absolute Spirit but it's deceiving itself. My problem with his claim that the Absolute is a result, is by definition, nothing can precede the Absolute how could the finite possibly precede the Infinite.. but yeah

@Oeaohoo You're kinda contradicting yourself tbh At first you claim with time the separation grows Then you say this which is quite the opposite?! Anyway the Platonic concept of anamnesis and of the Neoplatonic theory of emanation would be rather closer to Hegel's Idea of Progess. For Hegel, truth is not only, as for Plato, something that does not change and is eternal, but truth is, on the contrary, a result. Which is my essential question. Is oneness a result of historical development and all people would be involved in it or more like just YOU as an individual awaking? Maybe it's an overlap?! If it's the later what's the point of societal Progress anyway?

So they grow ever more in seperation and suddenly at some point it happens? how does that happen? and how do you know? and what's "end of time"? then what?

The problem with this kind attitude is that you end up with insights with no relation to the bigger picture if you don't put them in context. I see Hegel here making sense of consciousness development for society as a whole. Philosophy is not necessarily always mental gymnastics, you have to think about what you directly experience. I guess you were buddies and you know a lot about him So what's the point of Progress if not consciousness realizing itself and collapsing into Oneness?

So I was reading Hegel's lectures on the Philosophy of History and found these paragraphs interesting, where he proposes that the objective and Goal of Geist (Spirit) is ultimately to know itself. @Leo Gura it reminds of your claim that God will eventually awaken to itself but I'm kinda confused of whether it's a historical development of Nature/Mankind that takes millions of years or it's rather an individual awakening? I know you can say wake up for yourself now nevertheless I'm interested in your interpretation of history. "The principle of Development involves also the existence of a latent germ of being — a capacity or potentiality striving to realize itself. This formal conception finds actual existence in Spirit; which has the History of the World for its theatre, its possession, and the sphere of its realization. It is not of such a nature as to be tossed to and for amid the superficial play of accidents, but is rather the absolute arbiter of things; entirely unmoved by contingencies, which, indeed, it applies and manages for its own purposes..." "Between the Idea and its realization — the essential constitution of the original germ and the conformity to it of the existence derived from it — no disturbing influence can intrude. But in relation to Spirit it is quite otherwise. The realization of its Idea is mediated by consciousness and will; these very faculties are, in the first instance, sunk in their primary merely natural life; the first object and goal of their striving is the realization of their merely natural destiny — but which, since it is Spirit that animates it, is possessed of vast attractions and displays great power and (moral) richness. Thus Spirit is at war with itself; it has to overcome itself as its most formidable obstacle. That development which in the sphere of Nature is a peaceful growth is, in that of spirit, a severe, a mighty conflict with itself. What Spirit really strives for is the realization of its Ideal being; but in doing so, it hides that goal from its own vision, and is proud and well satisfied in this alienation from it..."

I was reading Nietzsche's La gaya scienza and found one of his aphorisms particularly interesting, maybe he had some mystical experiences before he went insane. "The Heaviest Burden. What if a demon crept after you into your loneliest loneliness some day or night, and said to you: "This life, as you live it at present, and have lived it, you must live it once more, and also innumerable times; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and every sigh, and all the unspeakably small and great in thy life must come to you again, and all in the same series and sequence - and similarly this spider and this moonlight among the trees, and similarly this moment, and I myself. The eternal sand-glass of existence will ever be turned once more, and you with it, you speck of dust!" - Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth, and curse the demon that so spoke? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment in which you would answer him: "You are a God, and never did I hear anything so divine!" If that thought acquired power over you as you are, it would transform you, and perhaps crush you; the question with regard to all and everything: "Do you want this once more, and also for innumerable times?" would lie as the heaviest burden upon your activity! Or, how would you have to become favourably inclined to yourself and to life, so as to long for nothing more ardently than for this last eternal sanctioning and sealing?" §341

I agree. The capacity of animals to be more satisfied than we by mere existence is often abused by egotistic and heartless man, and is often exploited to such an extent that he allows them absolutely nothing but bare existence. For example, the bird that is organized to roam through half the world, is confined to a cubic foot of space where it slowly pines to death and cries and the highly intelligent dog, man's truest and most faithful friend, is put on a chain by him. I never see such a dog without feelings of the deepest sympathy for him and of indignation against his master.