Natasha Tori Maru

You guys young chaps? Surprised health isnt no.1 Nothing matters without it.

@Ramanujan these stories are part of the red Pill narrative. You need to explore alternative explanations. If you start that way, what sort of precedent are you setting? You want to start transactional and then change the terms half way through? It won't fly.

@cetus sometimes I cannot comprehend people with these sorts of views exist... Then they appear on the forum 💀

Oh my god. UFO cover-up analyst? Is this some sort of attempted rebranding? Eric Weinstein is a clown. How is he getting platformed? UFO analyst... Someone kick him into a cement mixer 🤢🤮

Like Kaizen? The Japanese word & concept for positive change through small steps

This is the same belief being repeated without inspecting the root. Do you think you need these things to connect to a woman? What happens as you grow old, when you need care? What if you get cancer? Injured? Are unable to work? If you go into a relationship from this transactional frame, you will always attract someone who will leverage you for these things. What does it mean to connect for you? Is a transaction a connection?

Yep - nailed it. Once you get used to spotting this type of fallacy it is easy to navigate. But if you aren't well versed in it, when engaging, it has a feeling of being slippery, sly and just not right. Even when you cannot put your finger on it. You have to really pin the person down on the original claim and disregard the "Motte". Often repeatedly. It is quite a dishonest and disingenuous way of interacting as it can be a little ego wriggly mechanism. Sometimes people do present arguments that aren't initially clear and then rescind or amend their original claim - but they usually state this (for clarity to seek truth) rather than continue to push a line of reasoning that has changed in original premise without qualifying the initial mistake. I actually think some people engage in this way totally subconsciously and are surprised by the fallacious reasoning being called out. I view it mostly as egoicaly attempting to preserve the appearance of having been right all along.

I suppose I had enough memory to know I used to be a "Tash" and now I was not, never would be, that thing (Tash) again - because that thought was repeated. All memories? I don't even think I had time to comprehend a "self" before I was being reconstituted. It hit so hard and so fast, and the pure body horror took over. It was so encompassing there wasn't anything left of me but the feeling of the horror - and my visual field was hijacked in a way everything was sort of fucking itself and giving birth to my monstrosity of a body... The concept of being "stuck this way, forever, I have fucked up and its irreversible" was the biggest generator of negativity. I thought I flushed my sanity down the toilet. Actually this just made me recall: I distinctly remember thinking how I was going to explain myself to my grandparents. How I was going to tell them I was a tree/snail now. So there were definitely some memories. Same shit my mate who was watching over me recounted, also. I don't even know why I did it. I went through many years with a really pessimistic, black-pilled nihilistic outlook as my only comfort. Self torture - the weirdest flavour of connection. Some concepts are like taking a nailgun to the head. Have you ever done salvia?

I enjoy John Cleese a lot - and these topics in general. Fascinating.

@gengar my body receded into a snail shell - like I devolved into an embryonic state but was being reformulated into the shell against my will. Like, recycled. Imagine Kane from the first Alien film (directors cut, not sure if you have seen it) being remade into an egg. It was like I was being reorganised into the snail totally against my will. I turned to the table next to me trying to get away and the wood grain on the table infected me, turning me into a static tree version of Tash. I genuinely thought I was fucked. Like this is it. I am stuck this way. Forever. I knew it as truth in that moment. It was really, really bad. I will never do it again. It was more fucked up than mushrooms by far. It felt like an eternity at the time, but the trip was over really fast according to my handler.

I was not asking for an explanation of the mechanisms involved. Does evil require intent?

I've done salvia - never again. I didn't experience pain. Suffering, yes (more like horror). I think it is an important distinction. There is a large portion of suffering that is self generated.

So relationships are a transaction for you?

What emotions / feelings come up for you? Sympathy, heartbreak, disgust, sadness, pity etc So you feel compelled to action?

It is against the spirit of the forum to let AI create arguments and post them as if they were your own without credit. Brainstorming is one thing. It can be a good aid. We don't want this place to be a slop of half baked, misunderstood and confusing copypasta AI dialogue. Obviously there are grey areas - which is why there are moderators. And we haven't really ever (that I can recall) had to use administrative force for AI use. We just try to steer the culture away from it. Most users dislike when it is used. Even more so when it is abused habitually.

Definitely. I use them as a brainstorming tool on occasion and for construction methodology / legal wording on contracts. They can be a good aid for critical thinking if you are prompting correctly and exploring ideas. I dislike using AI to come to a conclusion FOR ME and present it as a neat little package (when brainstorming). Even when AI models are primed, I find they often miss factors, revert and hallucinate (still).

Yes. I don't deny this. The truth often arrives with a nice serving of bullshit. Sometimes information is delivered in a unpalatable way. Indigestion. I think we each receive in very, very different ways. I am certainly not free of my own little mind interpretations

Robert Greene has said multiple times, on record, that the 48 Laws of Power are more a guide to be aware of power dynamics, how they are used & wielded. It isn't a list of traits you are meant to embody/action to get what you want. Although, he admits that this is how many people read and interpret the book. He is often illustrating lower consciousness methods of force and power to raise awareness. The book has been an asset for me working with state and federal clients. Understanding power dynamics so I am not seen as a threat, and instead an asset. The bureaucracy and power plays when you deal with professionals in a work environment is a minefield. The book essentially helped me navigate the minefield.

Honestly it looks like more AI responses from @Monster Energy in this thread. Especially responses to @something_else. Morton bailey fallacy + goalpost moving. You should be aware that AI has its own values, judgements and calls that are acting as a filter for your own. This is part of the guardrail system. The reasoning a model can perform is not identical to the reasoning it presents after its instructions, policies, and response constraints have shaped what comes out. You have your own values. When put through AI, you are combining/remixing two value systems, it all just becomes a mess.

These are all control methods. If you think that has the potential to encourage a healthy, sovereign connection with a woman - you might want to reassess. These sorts of methods of control isolate & cause disconnection. I think its a power play - and says more about how little personal agency and power the man has, than the women.

A moderators dreamboat

What makes you think there aren't? Timeouts are common for certain types of users.

@oOo It might not be that deep. Pragmatism.

@Jirh same (⁠⊃⁠｡⁠•́⁠‿⁠•̀⁠｡⁠)⁠⊃

This could be pointing toward the root of the issue. Relationships are about connection. Some of the issue with Red Pill is it blocks connection - which blocks love.