Natasha Tori Maru

Sweet cheers - thanks for your thoughts. What are the sorts of other male environments you consider toxic?

Alternate forms of expression that aren't language based (necessarily) that can release feeling or emotion - this is your common meaning? I suppose feeling or emotion doesn't even need to be a component in your brainstorm - your 3 domains just seem to be a platform to express in some way

This is sort of leading to a good question: what kind of social environments help a man recover agency?

Haha - I actually like Bryan! I find him fascinating. I can be critical though, and often I am way to loose explicating my criticism and not good at enough at highlighting the good. I see him leaning toward a bit more balance and away from the rigidity of Blueprint as it was in its first iteration. His 5 pillars are essential and fantastic - these are the parts of his advice that really move the needle. The rest of his protocol has much less of an effect. But it is VERY interesting. I suppose my main criticism is not with Bryan himself, but with his audience and how they will gloss over basics and jump straight into maxing the .1% with their supplement stack (meanwhile they are up all hours, don't get proper exercise etc). He is an influencer, so I cannot really make him personally responsible for the actions his followers take. The most I might advice is more emphasis on the basics. But that isn't going to sell him books, sell his supplements or generate social media traction to get his brand out there. Hate the game, not the player? But I get it, nailing the basics is harder than it seems. Many repetitions needed to grow the routine/reflex muscle.

I really enjoy analysing forum interactions also (I am sort of obliged to do this). Frequently forum interactions can be chalked down to "User failed to ask: what exactly do you mean?" prior to attacking the argument. Then when they later clarify, it can appear to be changing goalposts or points. It gets messy when someone anchors themselves to their original interpretation. Then there is endless snowball effect of talking past each other or arguments going all over the place. Frustration increases and then rhetoric degrades into crude terminology flung about. Regarding the topic: In terms of stage blue shadow - it makes me wonder as this is another way to frame a potential issue - but might not hit it head on: is more information to diagnose really the answer? If more information solved the inaction problem, all of us would be productivity machines (more information can resolve inaction when it really is the bottleneck, but I need to be careful to decipher that as true)! Information is so easy to access now that gatekeeping is less of a thing. I suppose I would look at myself here: I often like to reframe in similar way (in this case I do often look at things through spiral dynamics), but I don't often feel it gets me any closer to taking action with the information. I can feel like I am, because I am getting closer to (what I feel is) isolating the problem. But it could be a red herring if more information or another mental frame doesn't help - or if I haven't identified my issue as a legitimate information deficit. Usually this ends up with me looking at my own mental blocks, inner narratives and false beliefs that are preventing me from using the power at my disposal. The stage blue shadow is acting to cast light on the rigid structures in our beliefs that beg for inspection.

He got a dog! Good on him. One step closer to engaging and enjoying life, so he isn't stuck in his potentially rigid routine He often looks subtly warn down and strained - very subtle muscular tension in small parts of his expression. What is the bet, that he will come out with a blurb about: Guys, pets are the hidden biohack we all need!!!!! - More physical activity + cardiovascular benefits - Greater social interaction - Stress regulation - Daily structure - Hormone relational bonding: Oxytocin, Cortisol reduction, Endogenous opioids, Dopamine, Serotonergic systems

For someone who submitted such a poor research thesis for his PhD, I cannot say I am surprised AI was used in such a lazy way with very little review (broken down in the video). I think the overall points Mike makes encourage much greater attachment to the physical body, and there isn't enough emphasis on "this body matters, so I will look after it". The issue isn't caring about the body - but making the body into the foundation of identity / value / psychological security. Similar crossover to some of the more problematic extreme views within the looksmaxxing movement (hardmaxxing). I don't think it is good to encourage our wellbeing, identity, worth or security to depend on our bodies being a certain way.

@Leo Gura Sweet, cheers - I appreciate the glimpse into your process Are the secondary insights that arrive while "logically laying it all" out a cross pollination across systems? Sort of intuitively detecting analogous structure in another domain that might form a link Like synthesising wholism across adjacent domains?

@shubhamsharma What do you experience when you resist the impulse to smoke? What feeling is the biggest? What thoughts come up?

Good morning Leo Time to slam you with a question out of pure curiosity around your process of understanding: When you arrive at an understanding that you cannot yet articulate, do you experience that understanding as primarily tacit (something you somehow "see" before you can explain why) and then afterwards develop the explicit/mechanistic model through contemplation and analysis (reverse engineering)? Or is the tacit understanding (or realization) largely coming from a product of accumulated knowledge and erudition? In your own experience, how much of genuine understanding arrives tacitly, and how much is constructed explicitly from first principles? Do you think there is a "break point" of knowledge where tacit understanding begins to manifest with more frequency? I suppose this is ultimately a series of questions about the relationship between intuition, tacit knowledge, accumulated wisdom, and epistemic rigor. You probably experience both tacit understanding and working up from first principles.

Do we have one? Rolling. Post that shit. Shorts, reels, tick-tock turds. Do your worst short format. Boomer cringe. I love the spittle on the guys mouth 🤮🤢 https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS45V1Enf/

Okay clearly this isn't going anywhere.

This appears to me to be a non sequitur. My point isn't that you were required to stop because the other person asked you to. I am asking whether escalating an interaction remains justified once you've recognized that it has become adversarial and unproductive. Saying "he doubled down and I tripled down" explains the escalation, but doesn't answer that question. Are you evading?

You don't need to totally back down - just stop with inferences about people's psychological state when they tell you to stop. We shouldn't insult. We should try to engage in rhetoric free of condescension. You are explaining a possible mechanism. None of this justifies continually causing offense in an attempt to win an argument. Is continuing appropriate when the negative outcome is apparent and the continuation seems to be serving the participant rather than producing anything constructive? My interpretation is you are evading the wider ethical points I am raising.

The thing is, the trap more commonly fallen into on these forums tends to be explanation = understanding. Explanation is NOT understanding!!

@LordFall But the overall effect of dialogues like this can just be... offence - do you think it is the right thing to do when the effect is a negative outcome like this for the recipient? It isn't hard to detect this in debate, and then halt. It might be worth questioning why we continue - just to serve ourselves?

@LordFall reframe it like this; if we bring our own armchair-psychology character judgements into discussions, without relating to the person through questioning their meaning, experience, feelings and thoughts, we end up polarising them against us. They won't feel seen. They will feel mischaracterised and misunderstood. Most people will close themselves off to any further good faith discussion because you make judgements based on inference. This feels unjust and unfair to the recipient. What we should have done is just ask for further clarification. Sometimes it's as simple as that. No "shadow" stuff. No insecurity. No childhood trauma. Just inability to make the person feel understood. If someone doesn't feel seen, it's going to be very difficult to change their mind. We can't just sledgehammer everyone with logic (not saying you do, but if we really, earnestly want to engage with someone, pissing them off via the mechanism outlined above really isn't an effective mode of debate). People willfully ignore whatever truth we bring when they feel misunderstood / mischaracterised. And even if they do admit the truth, they certainly won't admit out loud to us.

@Yimpa thanks Yimpa - you're an inspiration to me as well. It takes a deep amount of personal integrity, courage and authenticity to stand up and say "this is who I am!" And risk rejection. Most people have shaky boundaries because you risk someone rejecting you. And they wont risk being alone. But the cost is having to live outside our truth So important to know what we will accept and what we won't ❤️

This thread is turning into a shit fight. Stop attaching each other's character and name-calling. Please don't make psychological assessments about each other. Debate the topic.

Someone can have poor intellectual behaviour in an argument without it necessarily be true that they have weak character as a human being. It's only reasonable to infer that when it is a consistent pattern. I've not seen that from Gengar.

I made it too easy 🥹 The top (what the hell animal is that!?) one looks like its taken a turn inside a lawn mower.

Double shampoo is needed when you have hard water. If you haven't had long hair and lived with hard water, you won't need to do this. But just try one shampoo with long hair + hard water. The gradual residue buildup is insane. This is without using any products. Just from the shitty water. And hard water is something you can encounter even in gentrified areas. So while double shampoo is required as a solution for these circumstances - people who blindly follow this are conformist. So a bit of column A, a bit of column B 😃

Can I ask - why do you think you selected the possibility that there was some sort of intellectual cap, over all the other possibilities that another user might not relate to the clip you linked? "you didn't relate, therefore you lack the intelligence to understand it" - that is quite a large causal jump. Other possibilities behind someone not relating: - different life experience - different interest - different values - different personality - different cognitive style - different background knowledge - different cultural background - different emotional state - poor presentation - poor communication from the creator - different taste - different circumstances - lack of personal relevance - opposing conclusions - content is genuinely weak

Makes it hard with older women who have had bad experiences. In the one hand they can be more mature and on your level. But then they can miss or crush their natural feminine joy of "being" in all the silly conditioning. Which is what younger women can naturally have. And men tend to crave. Life serving up bags of dicks. Your lucky girl will come along. I don't see you as someone to sit still for long 😁

She had lots of resentment? I dunno when I judge others I tend to be just blocking or avoiding my own shit. So if I sat here and judged you as a dickhead (I dont lol), I would actually just be trying to attempt not to feel hurt or dissappointed. Instead of just feeling hurt/dissappointed and letting it go so I can be happy again. Judging gets you stuck with the feeling repeating it over and over. Just let the real feeling out and be done! That's not to say I don't discern when there is wrongdoing. I just try to drop that moralising judgement. My sister judges endlessly and won't let anything go. Maddening. Like we talking shit from 15 years ago. My god