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It does - especially when stuck right in the middle of the situation 🙏

@LastThursday Agree - when I begun the NLP rabbit hole this really became apparent.

@bazera I am just as mystified as you - I have no idea what the point is. Its just a disservice to themselves, their man, and the relationship. I am naturally candid - rip the bandaid off NOW. Don't wait and let it fester. But most of my girlfriends just want harmony and cannot bear to tell a man he isn't so good in bed. And I suspect my girlfriends aren't great in bed also I think a lot of it is as you suspect - there are other needs being met.

@bazera Some women are bloody amazing actresses. Sad. I do suppose many of the higher consciousness men on the forum would be much more intuitive that others. So I can understand you being able to feel something was 'off'. Not all men are like this. Some are simply overwhelmed by their own pleasure in the moment they aren't so apt to notice. Oh my girlfriends fake it to the extent they contract Kegels to imitate the natural contractions of an orgasm etc. Like THAT amount of acting... sometimes just to end it because they want it over. Sometimes because they cannot bring themselves to be honest about their lies.

I've manly heard silly stories from my girlfriends about how they faked it and lied about what they like. All to people please with their man. Some women (people) really fixate on pleasing the other person to their own expense. Family members as well. But the ramification of that is the guy has NFI where the clit is because his girl has lied to placate his ego. Or she doesn't want to make love because she spend so long not communicating her needs to make him feel like a stud, that she gets little pleasure from the act. And it's gone on so long she doesn't know how to actually tell the truth now! Really silly stuff ☹️

@ExploringReality haha I know plenty of chicks who literally think starfish is enough. Deadfish in bed. Saying it without saying it; you just want to get it done and don't want to participate in making love. Plenty of women who are shit in the sack. And the worst ones are the ones who lie to guys about what gets them off and mislead them. I've seen it all from men and women. If you aren't excited to fuck gtfo

I am referring to when users take bias personally.

Do you experience a rather wild compulsion to move when tripping? I have used a lot of substances in the past, much less now. Perhaps once a year for me. But when I was more habitual and exploring a lot in my younger years, my body wanted to move. Really move. Dance, wiggle, worm. Almost as if there was a separate mind in control of it, independent of what was going on in my brain

@integral I agree - thanks for you wise words I appreciate it!

NGL the mirroring is hilarious >.<

This is why I repeat we eventually need to throw it all away. All seeking ends. Else you create another ground to identify with I understand this also - but I think there are only tells from people and assumptions and inferences we make from their expression. In the end, I personally think it is my own arrogance to think I know what another person has directly experienced.

I mostly experience these emotions when I am dealing with certain family members. One of my siblings is very transactional and controlling in nature. In addition, this member is fixated on material things, comparison, and requiring to feel important and above others, else they are so demolized their work and mood suffers. I have a lot of trouble maintaining cordial relations with them due to my intense dislike and disgust - that turns into contempt - for these behaviours. It very much can affect how I treat this person when I am having an off day. Because I recognise these qualities are rooted in deep deep self esteem and self value issues. So on the one hand I understand and have compassion - but I am frustrated by their unconscious unwillingness to admit any fault. I know they operate with the above principals from a place of pain. But their arrogance and hubris in claiming they have no such issues frustrates me a lot. It is a large pain point for my whole family. A big chunk of conditioning I am working on.

I hate them as a woman - and they do not have the desensitization effect on me. But having to stop, go get the condom, put it on. Sigh. Fucken' romance and rhythm killer. In addition - even the idea in my head my man isn't going to experience the act of sex in the most intimate way possible detracts for me. The only way around this has been regular testing of both partners, monogamy, and some other form of birth control. @Miguel1 I had no idea this was even a thing - until now 🤮

I experience disgust and also contempt.

There could be something to the INTJ / INTP trauma resistance. I throw INTJ and was in some turd circumstances in life as well as 3 siblings. I walked away with very little trauma compared to them. One is an addict, one has severe anxiety/panic attacks (to the point of medication and impaired functioning) and the last one relatively unscathed like myself. All test as INFP/ENTP - the ENTP being unscathed. I really do think it depends on temperament, also. Everyone has a wide birth of emotional reactions, but in general most have a general base temperament they pivot around.

@Sincerity Interesting points. I think some large factors that might push one into 'imposing love' - in an emergency, how immediate is the risk if there is a non-loving action taken? The override ends as soon as the danger passes. And more integrally - the intent is protection, not to exert any control. Then there is transformational love - when love invites someone past their boundaries. Ones built from fear, shame, or outdated identity. This isn't about using force or overriding, I think it about CHALLENGING. This might be where Carl was headed (just spit-balling, no dog in this fight, just enjoy how this is going existential). So this challenging might be calling someone out when they would rather just hide or staying present when they normally push you away out of habit. Or refusing to enable self sabotage. It is critical to recognise intimacy is usually a prerequisite for how this type of loving care is received. And it CAN feel like a boundary violation, but the tension/pressure can lead to growth. We choose how to respond after all. Leo has a choice in how he responds. This whole topic gets very murky though. You can twist and justify all kinds of shit. Possessive or consuming love can be justifying stuff. Crossing boundaries because you care so much, you don't know what is good for you etc. There can also be self violating forms of love - tolerating shit that drains you, abandoning our own needs, staying when everyone is screaming at you to leave. At the same time love can be expressed by holding back, letting someone walk the path they are on. Not fix. Not save. Let them learn through their own self immolating behaviour. All the delicious ways humans twist love, ay?

When it comes to people - there will ALWAYS be something to gripe about 😂

I think it would be great. Users will be more confident in the decisions made and there would be less of a perception of bias. Less room for human error. I can envision cases where the AI may have to defer and escalate to a human to oversee. I can also imagine users claiming AI had a programming bias 🤣

@Carl-Richard We are googling, we are in the rabbit hole. We are YouTubing.

@AION heh heh I am mostly poking fun - Ralston is always worth it !

@Carl-Richard Thanks for sharing ❤️ Did you have any intention behind it, or it was spontaneous? Intention usually means there is an aim there... Maybe that made the difference

Lol Clavicular was on this podcast... If you watch it, he legit didn't realise it was a troll. It took him way longer than expected for him to cotton on... Fucken WOOSH.

@ExploringReality these are from a professional photographer at the event? The lighting is sick man, shows off the shreds @LoneWonderer this is one of those candid action joy shots! Love it 🫶

@gengar I wish you did not have to carry this burden alone - my compassion to you 💔

@mr_engineer 👍 I even think the term 'toxic masculinity' is used and twisted into misandry by many women. It is not isolated to feminists, although it is more likely to show up in these circles. Toxic masculinity tends to describe a certain set of behaviours that can turn negative - whereas misandry is an attitude toward men in general. There's a legit pattern in certain circles of women that have this negative attitude (which is misandry) and try to repackage it as 'toxic masculinity'. This can really lead to a whole host of issues with men feeling like it is not okay to be masculine at all. Misandry sometimes shows up alongside or within spaces that use feminist language - and this is where it is easy to think feminism is the issue. It is just more often we see the two things manifesting at the same time. The swing toward feminism doesn't mean sexism toward men doesn't exist, doesn't happen. And just because men have afforded more privilege due to the structure of society does not mean they have not suffered from the structure in place by the elites. Misandry can feel very very justified under the cloak of feminism. The issue is you get people who generalise all men, justify their hostility and treat men or 'the patriarchy' as this giant monolith instead of individuals. I stand for women as well. But I am very vocal about calling out both sexes on their shit. And I do find it tends to land a bit better from women to woman. When a man tries to push against sexism I see a lot more resistance. Sad.