Natasha Tori Maru

Two forces of power meeting and deciding not to smash each other speaks less civility to me than someone with power choosing to treat those weaker than them with autonomy & respect.

What's wrong with that?

Regardless, whats done is done. Let this thread return to farewelling @Emerald I apologise for the derail.

I think it's run its course naturally now. I'll add that I also dislike when users also try to psychologically profile others and reduce them to a bunch of mechanisms to explain behaviour. Or explain motivations behind some lines of argument (particularly when our proposals or arguments are not accepted). It does nothing but turn the person against us and impede charitable reception of our own ideas and concepts. It can also lock us to a frame of explaining a person. Rather than understanding. This leads to frequently misunderstanding or misinterpreting their points because we are preoccupied trying to fit them to a preconceived frame. It does nothing but shoot us in the foot debate wise to engage in this type of analysis of others openly. @oOo appreciate you

@oOo I take great personal issue with how users engaged with @Emerald and @Xonas Pitfall in the above topic you linked. Instead of a dialogue, exchange of ideas and debate in a mature & charitable manner - there was all manner of slippery dishonest character attacks, condescension, sly jabs at people's capacity for understanding or general topic knowledge and overall dishonest debate tactics. Agreeing to disagree is a great, albeit rarely conceded outcome, on this forum. The manner of engagement made me wish to lock the thread, not the topic itself. Unfortunately I woke up after the majority of the damage was done.

Coffee in the morning - just one dose (I dont split it up). Mainly because it dissolves and I can't tell it's in the coffee. Sediment in my liquid makes me 🤢🤮

This topic (men, women, gender roles, masculinity / femininity) has been one of the biggest recurring forum crashouts EVER! I just want to pitch in and say I value all of your contributions and perspectives. I am not here to be right or wrong (I know some are). We are all on the same side, in the end. None of us are getting out of this alive! Love you all!!

I don't think jail really works to rehabilitate people. We can try to raise awareness around violence. Overall we need to reassess how we all act out our emotional states. Mature emotional processing and inner awareness needs to be taught as a skillset at school. I don't think I said nothing is being done to change men - at least, that was not my meaning. I think there are wider systemic issues that come into play where the solution has always been to restrict women. Just inviting some brainstorming around alternative possibilities to address issues. These are valid given the different contexts you illustrate. My context was women in society. Not women vs nature or other risks/hazards. I did not claim I want women to be completely safe. No one will ever be completely safe. It isn't all or nothing. The context is modern society.

You might say this, but I guarantee your actions say something else. This isn't contributing anything quality to OP's topic.

@Emerald I will miss you. Thanks for contributing here, Emerald You had an effect on my development and shaped part of me and who I am today. I consistently read your posts, and intellectually nodded my head, even if I did not always post my agreement openly (which often, not so much now, used to get denigrated as a circle jerk or done for some "nefarious manipulative emotional" purpose). You have very high integrity standards for debate and engagement. It is very, very difficult to feel gratified by intellectual sparring when others do not meet this standard. Frustration builds. Charge. Irritation. And an overall negative feeling that can ripple out past a simple forum interaction. I always respected that you never violated your own terms for engagement by mud-slinging, being condescending or using sly mean rhetoric. I am sorry to see you go.

Hahaha! Crazy how the lop-sidedness and ideals all fade away when you are presented with a good thought experiment that makes you enter a state of wonder and contemplation. Men are like - DRAIN ME

@aurum Honestly the women I work with who are mothers do not accept bullshit and are straight up. I find them to have higher competence than non-mothers.

There was a viral social media poll & thought experiment running through a few social media platforms recently - a vast number of women independently responded that their immediate reaction to being the last woman alive would be profound fear and self-preservation, with top responses involving escaping or ending their lives before being subjected to forced capture or violence by men. With answers like that, it is hard to argue that the sexes are equal. Huge domain/category error. It also points to women being aware of the differences, despite the idealistic notion "we can do what they can". The reliance each sex has on each other is hidden in the atomised society we live in today.

You could say this equally for men and women. This line of reasoning has some oddities. Where is the danger typically originating from? Can we address this source? Is that too difficult? Instead, the default is to place restrictions on women. Should we investigate violence and sexism in men, and attempt to assist there? Or is that considered a foregone conclusion? Lots of questions that remain open and often overlooked. The assumption under this is that we simply accept men's behaviour. Or violence. We don't try to change this. We try to change women instead. Deep rooted structural issues...

I don't think you understand what I am saying, based off this response. You are responding to some other meaning taken from what I said. You don't understand what I know or think, because you didn't really ask or probe. I am also unsure why you felt the need to posture with intellectual superiority that isn't even founded on anything I read in your reply. Then you moved to decisions about motherhood? Overall very confused. The rhetoric you employ belies some charge - I am sorry if I offended you.

Average. Infant mortality was huge historically, dragging down statistics like average. What other animals, undergo menopause, when kept alive for longer durations? It's still an unusual difference.

Just think "connection" for the female mind 🥰

Is that a suppliment or a drug?

There are tradeoffs to specialisation in natural selection. That's not the same as saying a sex evolved to be weaker. There's a distinction between a trait being selected for, and traits emerging as a consequence of some other evolutionary process. There are still unexplained aspects of women's evolution. Menopause being one. Human women evolved to survive beyond breeding age. Natural selection/evolution typically isn't just random and without purpose. I might be mistaken but few other female animals survive beyond breeding age.

My arm is better than my leg, you fucks Change my mind 😈

For some reason this made me laugh - I had a vision of you yelling at your skin / skeleton / form "I identify with consciousness, just fuck off body!"

@Nercohype no problem (⁠◠⁠‿⁠・⁠)⁠—⁠☆ I tried to think of an example that would have a few layers to consider that would concretely flesh out how all these principles come into play. It was interesting for me to think on as some conflicts are quite easy and can be a simple values assessment + cost/benefit. Others can have much broader ethical problems that aren't so easy to find a moral, just and truthfully satisfying answer. Good luck & happy writing 🤸🏻

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DdkE1T2gv29/?mdxt=ZDNkcGFmaTUxdmtv Both genders can be just as emotional, perhaps in different domains of feelings. Different expression & responses. I think perhaps women can identify feelings with more accuracy. Which could be a function of motherhood - reading/mirroring infants and family members states is about providing appropriate care for survival & healthy child rearing. The ability to sit with an emotion and not be compelled to irresistibly act on it, is a huge green flag for maturity. People who genuinely think women are stronger than men, and can't see the obviousness of basic sex dimorphism, are likely to be tripped up by reality. It's just not aligned with truth.

@Nercohype Integrity is a concept that makes the truth-versus-duty dilemma more interesting (or perhaps, complicated!), because it asks whether you can remain faithful to your principles when those principles conflict with one another. The Iraq WMD case is a good real world example of truth, duty and integrity. It turns out the WMDs were lies to feed a narrative invasion of Iraq was necessary. Imagine being a reporter than knew the truth... The damage revealing it would cause the government. Do you whistleblow? An interesting test of integrity. The reporter's dilemma is not simply whether to tell the truth. It is whether to expose serious wrongdoing when doing so could damage the government, undermine public trust and potentially destabilise the country.

@Nercohype do you have some concrete examples where you have been face to face with this conundrum? Your replies above moved further into abstraction. The details of an example and the context may affect the path forward 🤸🏻