Natasha Tori Maru

Talk dirty to me

*IS* it fake though - or part of a process? Do you not think these are all state changes? Which, when controlled, could quite possibly contribute to realization. Maybe we just do not understand mechanisms No guarantees.

Haha savage But accurate !

You fucken dare judge me Alas, no. Like many things in life - I dive in head first and go really deep. Become immersed for a while, then do a 180 and assess all the info. Normally this results in me tossing it all out. If it makes me feel good I am even more sceptical.... I don't really fit the typical female mind. Not to sound special or anything. I discerned a long time ago I am wired different in how I asses information and make decisions, based on experience and comparison with other women. I am very very feminine in expression but not regarding my thought process and value systems. In fact I do not identify much with women at all - and so misogyny and sexism can sometimes be totally missed by me. I often come cross it, but I have no internal thoughts or reaction. Its most likely a good thing for work as I am in a male dominated and masculine field. There is just total non reaction and movement to solutions instead of explaining something. The biggest issues I have faced have been from HR when a complaint is raised over sexism by a woman and I fail to even register the issue. Undecided if this is a good or bad thing. I feel no emotions or reactions just let me get on with execution. I love being underestimated. The only thing that really seems to get under my skin is when my value is reduced to my physical attributes and nothing more. But even this doesn't bother me like it used to. It just shows me that person is low conscious and doesn't understand mature bonding and love. Anyway I digress... back to shit-tests

The meaning making and interpretation are the parts that can be compromised - not the direct experience

They had their head experiences for sure, but are they now telling a story that is their interpretation?

You can also try - when you look out at a sunset - is it out there? That might be an assumption. Because the sunlight is experienced in the eyes. The sound in the ears. The smell in the nose. So the sunset is experienced inside. So the sunset is inside. All that is outside is within ❤️

Well yeah because that is just a concept. One person's hell is another person's heaven. So there's something up there isn't there? It appears as if an objective hell doesn't exist. All you linked above is hearsay

@Joshe You made me recall something me and my girlfriends used to coin more often. 'The girlfriend zone' in opposition to 'The friend zone' When a chick just wants some casual friendly shit but she is immediately girlfriend zoned. Now has to put effort into swatting off attempts and second guesses etc.

@meta_male All G my man, no need to even reply. Sometimes the words just act to trigger some contemplation and insight that starts the clarity. I usually start to see different datapoints in my experience I was biased away from after big insights.

Before smartphones were a thing, my mum had one of those huge horoscope books with compatibilities. Male Sage / female Gemini, female Sag / male Gemini etc. It went IN DEPTH and was big enough to kill a rabbit if it was dropped from shoulder height. Typical of books that were floating around in bathrooms, child me read it almost cover to cover. One day I asked my dad where they got the information from. I asked if it was from Encarta (Dad taught me electronics and how to build early PCs). 'The fumes of stale fantasies of women stuck inside their minds, who's romantic lives are exactly like the dried dog turds on the lawn out the back' Mum wouldn't talk to Dad for a good day or two after! Bit late for a shit-test

Yep for sure we mean the same thing - just different nuances in terms are throwing me

Maybe a masculine shit test is taking her to the pool, swimming. Or just one of those ceremonial fuckfest 24hr lock-ins you do when you first hook up. Where there is no time for beautifying just that phase of wanting to eat each other

@Emerald I just like to experience lots of things with a mate. Their reaction and actions communicate everything without the subterfuge of a shit-test. Is that a shit test though? I would assume it is the mechanism men use also. Mature men, that is.

I can see how they would be a subconscious mechanism that is inherent to women's need for safety. And pointing out subconscious behavior in others - especially women - tends to not go down so well Funny you say that. It was what immediately came to mind when I asked you the question! I know that can be a big core element of intimacy for a women (when she is comfortable enough to freeball it [so to speak]). I am glad I don't have that sort of pathology.

Are you sure just being present isn't surrendering in some way? IE could be giving up thoughts or perceptions to be present Might be a terminology thing. I don't feel like I surrender during meditation - but I don't discount that could be what is happening when I go into the states I experience.

🎯 The whole point is to realize - become aware of what we are - and in the process know exactly why we are here. That there is no where else you would choose to be. The wonder and awe is in the experience of it all. Non-duality is only half the story.

I am starting to sense there is a common theme regarding awakening and enlightenment. That nothing guarantees it - but surrender is an ingredient. Perhaps this is the mechanism behind psychedelic use - that it forces the fight and surrender internally. Surrendering during meditation being the ingredient there. Extreme suffering prompting giving up - surrendering. Surrendering concepts. Surrendering the mind. Surrendering knowing. Maybe we surrender to suffering the cooked spaghetti splattering the wall as well - or stubbing a toe

Is there a masculine version of this? Or perhaps it is inherent to the feminine polarity as the masculine is typically seen as the 'structure', or that which holds space for the feminine. Nice analogy btw - speaks right to the awakened construction manager within meeeeeeeeee

You've glitched him out. Program is looping

Good advice IMO. A lot of the users there (and hardcore nondualists) get so hung up on the words 'I' and 'you' they miss the point attempting to be conveyed. Thus it turns into a stupid shitfight. It just so happens it is bloody hard to express oneself properly while avoiding those terms.

Yep agree - would you also use the term surrender or does this mean something else for you?

For sure - I just have a narrower definition for what I term meditation. Anything involving desire/aversion is going to pull away from the equanimity that is natural to inducing a possibility of realizing the nature of the self - especially in meditation. But that is just me speaking from my own experience

I would argue that is not meditation.

No but I recently (on this forum and in real life) had conversations using the spaghetti metaphor Maybe Leo can toss cooked spaghetti at actualizers in his retreat if psychedelics don't work! For science!