Natasha Tori Maru

@Rafael Thundercat in this instance I understand not engaging with the user in question 👍 it's hard to approach a topic like this in good faith for many users. And when someone strawmans, you already know they have too much certainty to be open to anything new. I think engaging a bit more in general will help clarify your stance in your own words, as you understand the topic. Because you understand in a unique way that is worth exploring, and it is hard to do that when you link an external video. I understand the language barrier, I think you express yourself well. And hey - you are probably doing better than most users here who only know one language 🙃

@caspex thanks for your thoughts ⚡

@Willy Phallicus strawman - nice try though. At least try to understand what OP is presenting and try not to bring your loaded definition into play. You misrepresent what is being spoken about. The links are about egalitarianism over the extremist matriarchal society you are trying to convince yourself is being spoken about. Ask OP what he means. And @Rafael Thundercat I think it would be great if you addressed users in writing rather than spam external videos in reply constantly. It'll help your case more for sure.

@Basman I think you are going too far to try to make a case that isn't there. Dog owners who go overboard with their dogs, treating them with the same sort of care they would a child, are not thinking their dogs ARE humanoid. There would be some psychotic individuals out there who might be off the rails with it. But this isn't the typical dog owner who goes way above with their animal. You actually cannot know what sort of emotional needs a dog is fulfilling. You cannot know or quantify another's experience of the matter at all. I assume you mean anthropomorphism? Wrong is just your moral judgement. A bias. Which you never have to justify - but I admire the effort LOL I totally own my bias - that's the difference

rofl i'm too employed for this soz

@LoneWonderer I LOVE! Whatever we have done to dogs to make them adore and bond to humans - it's real now. The joy I get from my girl - no words. She comes with me to the office while I work so she isn't alone in an apartment all day. 3x walks. I cook her meals because I just cannot bare to think of a being under my care living off nothing but dry kibble and packaged MyDog shit. She is a minipoodle, but unlike most small dogs, is highly trained and doesn't bark. I put lots of time into training her - and she trained me as well. To be more diligent, attentive and careful. I learned a lot through caring for her. It was a symbiotic enriching process. Sometimes I am legit dead at the end of the day, no energy, falling asleep throwing a ball against the wall for her. Worth it!

Because humans, over the span on 15,000 - 30,000 years, brainwashed dogs into bonding with us so hardcore - we altered their evolutionary biology to need and want to work with us tl;dr we are cu***

@caspex This ends up being an ethics / eugenics debate - do you think? CRISPR etc and access to genetic engineering could create a new elite class - one that wealth will facilitate access too. And I for one to do NOT trust wealthy elites. They have proven time and time again they are NOT for us. I do not trust Bryan. I think people are fooled by the riz and narrative spin. Fooled by authority they love to concede. Not many forum goers approach the topic of the sort of transhumanism this debate slides into. Biology is being stratified. Therapy vs enhancement. Who gets access? Who defines improvement? What counts as a defect vs difference? The whole debate becomes very uncomfortable - if we support autonomy the risk is we can potentially endorse inequality. If it is opposed on equality grounds, we can sound like we oppose medical progress. We go from health and wellbeing right up into the arse of philosophy

He doesn't know what death is.

@CARDOZZO He is always such a hot topic that one. Catalytic, we might say? Love his work

Boy got some testicle on him >.> <.< We good, as always! I didn't mean to for it to appear I judged you for the testicle, I just recognised it LOL Life goes on, riding the rollercoaster. C'est la vie!

ROFL no - there are threads that show a lot more factual discernment in their OP over straight judgement bias. I'm being naughty really, because you are fully entitled to your bias - as are well all when it is a preference or judgement based endevour. There isn't an objective case/discernment for 'dog parents that treat their animals like humans are wrong/bad'. But of course, it's a legit thing that irks people. Ick provoking

I purposely didn't touch on many of the other factors you present here - I ran out of time I think the rise of technology that enables us to live isolated, insular existences amplifies many of these issues. It has amplified male - and societies - loneliness.

@OBEler My immediate read is she is super self conscious and timid. She has that deer-in-the-headlights look of someone who isn't used to speaking or performing in from of the camera. Her movements seem really jarring and pre-thought. Not natural. I think what is being transmitted is an intense awareness she is being 'perceived' which is blocking any natural flow and genuine interest in the whole ordeal. Essentially, perhaps you are picking up on her energy being so fixed on how she is seen - there is no attention and energy going toward what is actually being shown to her. She is so busy worrying about herself there is no room to transmit interest. I dunno, I could be totally wrong - what do you think? Women are hard to read >.< Sometimes there is a lot of agreeableness in them, inhibiting authentic expression because we strive so hard for harmony.

Could be her general affect and temperament. Could be she isn't genuinely interested. Could be she is skeptical as fuck. Body language and reading it is an imprecise science and has been demonstrated so again and again. There is no 'this means that'. We can only make vague inferences in the absence of a baseline understanding of the person. Dr Lisa Felman Barret is one to read/listen to on the subject.

2 of my ex's where like this in our first physical encounters. Both times it was unfamiliarity and nerves.

Are you role-playing?

It's such a huge skyscraper sized truck to be hit by, when you have the realisation fear is the greatest deception, isn't it? It had me motioning through my day, totally disconnected from reality, seeing every way fear fed into the narrative of my life.

I think you made this post to justify your personal judgement of dog owners and their approach to care

I'm deadly series - read fiction. You get into another characters head. Into their world.

Wow, I jumped into this thread and I was about to post 'sounds like stage testosterone' Something something great minds

Exactly - which is why how it is phrased makes all the difference to how it is received. I personally do not like speaking about structures within society with any sort of gendered attribute. I find it needlessly polarizing and in some cases completely incorrect. It also runs the risk of men and women feeling shame for things they are not responsible for - but have the power to change.

@Jannes Yeah so, my stance is that as we fix issues facing women, that might present as huge focuses, our quality of existence as men AND women increases. Men’s problems sometimes appear more acute once women gain equality. This highlights where there may have been issues with men the entire time, but because the greater threat to progression was women's issues, problems weren't visible. Men face some rigid gender stereotypes that need to be challenged. And the source of these needs to be assessed - because some of these harmful stereotypes are extrinsic. Men face a loneliness epidemic today because their main source of connection, affection and companionship is no longer 'guaranteed' due to women's equality movements. Women generally have stronger interpersonal connections with each other AND men - meaning they spread burden of connection needs over many people. Men often just have themselves and their partner. The loneliness epidemic references is an example of the structural consequence of shifting gender roles: men are often socially habituated to connect mainly through romantic relationships or traditional hierarchies. This explains a lot of the MGTOW movement; many of these men are realizing the bond between men is important. A bond that perhaps was neglected when women weren't as free, due to women being subjugated to men previously (before feminism and women's rights). Resenting women for this loss of 'supply' is an issue that feeds Red Pill ideology. The problems arise when we try to come up with 'solutions'. There is an attempt to try to return to rigid gender stereotypes to feed needs. There are also some toxic ideologies proposing control of external structures to ensure men's emotional health. Again it's the wrong direction. Social connection needs to be emphasised as a need for men, a need that is normal & absolutely integral to their health and wellbeing. A need that doesn't necessarily need to be serviced in totality by women. Many people blame feminism for these issues - when all it did was reveal these existing cracks. I think it simply illustrates weaknesses already baked into an old system we are outgrowing. The above is just an example - but looking at men in education is another example of this phenomenon - they are falling behind. Men's rights to custody of children is another inherent bias in the system that needs looking into. There are many more... What do you think?

@Hojo I feel his motivation is fear of death.