Natasha Tori Maru

Haha yes... We had them as a wild card in chips/crisps packets. Old-school hardware rng lootbox 😁 Cereal box toys, Tamagotchi...

Hmm - I think it is harder to change others, than it is to simply change myself. Just my personal experience. I've never met someone who was able to be 'convinced' unless actively seeking - and open to my enquiry without feeling it is assaulting their ego (and they usually DO perceive it as an assault to the ego). I perceive this as using force in some manner - which has never worked for me. Not even in construction do I use force to achieve a deadline/outcome. My solution has been to embody higher consciousness myself, to show and display through action, the direct and beneficial effects it has given me. Usually only then can it be communicated - and other humans normally start to ask you questions relating to tolerance, stress management, suffering etc. I have found other people are only interested in 'what I might be doing behind the scenes' when they see me operating with ease, flow and no resistance. They want a solution to their woe. If you embody that, or show it - others will want to know wtf is up. They just may not like the answer.

A mystery unfolds.... at least there is a real face to interact with @Someone here it's a good question - I am more interested in your motivations behind the question, rather than the question itself.

@Carl-Richard busy channelling OTHER forum members thoughts now, I see... It is always something that 'happens' to us, in a natural way, rather than anything one actually tries to pick up on... Not even a surprise. Just 'oh I'm sharing thoughts again with ANOTHER person - more evidence my thoughts aren't all mine????'

Sure thing - thank you for the exchange! Happy jousting (づ๑•ᴗ•๑)づ♡

@Joshe What if I asked you to surrender this frame of complexity/progression/arduousness? Because with all due respect your response to @Eskilon is you repeating yourself again in another way. Really consider this:

I can. Yes. 'I don't know'

Oh... Well. I think there are more contexts for it - especially within physics & reality. Forces are the largest domain I can think of just right off the bat. Some of the structures of society that assist it to operate - humanity as a collective - to sustain, feed, power all of us? Requires conformity. Different domain I know. And many of these domains are free of group think, but exist within the survival paradigm

All you need to consider is what you think understanding reality is going to be (or look like, present as) isn't what you think it is going to be, or look like. Or present as. The concept of “ultimate understanding” is built out of the very limitations that understanding would dissolve.

What's going on with that immune system you got there... I feel like you are getting mega shit-carded >.<

I don't think Leo was talking about existential conformity - more the type of conformity that arises from the social domain/survival and it's status hierarchies. The intention was a point of assessment. I don't think it was said conformity is solely related to social domain.

dead - my sides are in orbit

The fact you keep repeating this reads (complex, arduous or some such synonym) as doubling down without considering that it could be anything else. I might implore you to consider you may not be willing to drop the idea it is complex - because you are convinced you 'know'. As shown above - this 'knowing' - how can you remain open to anything else if you are convinced you know? How can you consider anything else in a state of 'knowing'? This is why it appears to me you are approaching this intent on your own knowledge already being certain, rather than really open to what could possibly be said regarding grasping reality.

All it took was me becoming aware I was wearing them. How you get there is surrender. Which goes back to it not being complex. Obviously I am not putting this to words in a way that is illustrating the above... which possibly goes back to it being... understood through being? When I read my statements, thinking how they would present if I had not had my own realization of my nature, it wouldn't make sense. So any failure to communicate is probably on me - or on the method (text, english, language) itself. The meaning of the words and statements - surrender and its simplicity - they mean wholly different things to me now.

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One of the checks I run through my head with the conformity topic - is this performative to the social domain? Is this an attempt to communicate status or hierarchy? Usually you'll be able to discern the context of the topic that way. Conformity in the existential sense is very different.

wtf @Map Porn blogpost - Australia in the turd bucket there.

I think what I am pointing to is - are you sure this isn't an assumption? I only ask this because you are attempting to approach this from the finite human intellect. You talk about traversing the map to understand it/grasp it - but what if all you need to do is take off the frosted glasses?

Fucken...LOL absolute reverse uno card - well played

So what does that tell you? There's still no complexity.

There's still no complexity to it.... You are pointing to the issue that you are stuck in - the mind and intellect

There's no complexity about surrender. You just drop everything.

gonna die on this hill mate? 💀 🤣

Definitely look into it... It appears you have encountered this natural logical conclusion in your contemplations. Siddhis echo this in reality You might enjoy the eastern view that overlaps your enquiry ❤️

Discernment is inherent and assumed with when speaking about wisdom. Like wheels are assumed when talking about a car... @Xonas Pitfall are you speaking about siddhis?