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Oh wow the grift is in full force: Bryan's rebranded website "Immortals", changed from "Don't Die" selling GLP1s

Ah, so I looked into what he is doing with this new announcement. As per usual, it is a sensationalist disingenuous headline to generate outrage and clicks. Any publicity is good publicity I guess, right? It's not a clone. It's not a zygote. It's cells taken from different areas of his body and treated to revert to an earlier state. These cells are then analysed for a response to more experimental (higher risk) treatments. It is a clump of adult cells that have been reprogrammed to act like embryonic pluripotent stem cells.

But even this isn't the truth, despite the backpedaling. Not all humans are shallow.

@Yimpa thanks for your unique perspective 😁 I was going to tag here for your experience but I didnt want to drag you into a weird shit fight !

@Miguel1 @Alexop cuddle puddle Mistakes happen. It's been great watching how some users have grown - me too. This spot of the internet really helped me understand the unique challenges men face. Lots of my biggest areas of growth were seeing through my own bias in this arena.

I appreciate this being raised. Very, very much appreciate it. Respect to Leo, the mods and all my fellow dudes who treat me as an equal ❤️‍🔥 It's sort of weird being TOLD how I work. How I am. With little platform to ask me questions about women and how they work. I am often, as a woman, painting as being unconscious to myself 🥹 very odd

100% I think this sex is possibly one of the most difficult and challenging topics to approach earnestly. But yeah this is also why I take users in good faith, unless there is a real systemic repeated pattern of uncharitable dialogue.

@Miguel1 @Alexop what you raise is part of the type of rhetoric around women that Leo uses that, when read in isolation, can appear quite damning. A statement might be made that is quite absolute 'Women operate purely via emotions, and will just follow their emotions' (just an example) in one post. Some back and forth might ensue and only then is nuance added when there is pushback, or extensive questions. Most people don't read entire threads. I think with Leo (I cannot be sure) he dives for the closest statement to the total truth of the matter in simple easy soundbites. But without context the meaning can be totally different - and these topics are some of the most nuanced there are. I get that women will be spoken about in an isolated way especially regarding viewing through the lense of the pickup paradigm. But most of the qualities that are denigrated are assigned to women here - when it's usually very loosely tied to sex and there is little evidence to suggest as such. Biology has an impact for sure, but conditioning is a large factor. Women and men make decisions based on emotions. It's not women more. It's human. If you look into studies regarding what happens to people who lose their feelings/emotional centres of the brain, it is shown they cannot make the simplest of decisions because our entire value and preference system is from the emotional centre. Antonio DiMaggio's work showcases this. Painting women as purely emotional and making decisions based on 'irrationally' framed emotions is just one common talking point perpetuated on these forums. In reality all humans make decisions based on emotions that form values and preferences. The veneer of rationally is only applied to men in these conversations - often through rationalising an emotional decision and bypassing the emotional root entirely. So I don't think it's often intentionally spoken about this way. It can be entirely unconscious. I give the benefit of the doubt always. And these conversations are usually in the context of attraction - easy to misunderstand what is being said and apply it to women in all arenas! When women do choose with rationality it is often painted in a negative manner regarding standards. While this can be negative when taken too far, it is consistently framed this way. The qualities attributes to women are spoken of in a lowly, less than manner. I'm trying to think how often I see women spoken of with a lot of esteem or celebrated for their traits here. It does happen - there are a few members who are so consistently lovely about it. But it is a minority. Regarding AION's comments - that is a systemic, contextual issue arising from belief systems based on cognitive bias. I never face any sort of issues like this in real life. I believe it is a chronic online issue with individuals when attempting to rationalise everything down to a simple explanation. And also - sorry to say it, but there is a level of conformity surrounding this topic on these forums. I don't think humans can be understood through rationality as easily as is painted. Overall I accept everyone is moving through different stages of life and understanding. And let's be frank, this forum is mostly male dominated. I think some level of unconscious sexism is just going to happen. And that's cool, I accept it

Men are shallow - sexist. Women are shallow - sexist. Humans are shallow - not discriminatory in a targeted way against a group. We make assumptions if we think moderating sexism against men doesn't happen here. It does.

@LordFall lol what. Assumptions. I am co owner of a construction business. I think I know some shit about putting my arse on the line and getting results. You have fantastical thinking and make certain comments about the future - and these are just guesses. Even funnier - Bryan Johnson constantly repeats "humans are terrible at predicting the future". You can try to frame it how you like, but this is what is happening - fantastical hype thinking.

But that was what I illustrated from the start - the boundary part? I elaborated on the fallacy of the idiot comparison above. You know. You don't want to try to understand. You have way too much to prove. And I know how you operate once you get locked on. Your rhetoric digs your own grave in repeat cycles all over the forum. Catch

@Elliott yep I chalk it up mostly to the individual possibly having a lot of trouble coming to terms with their identity, and so once found, discovered and integrated - they attach to labels to feel safe and understood. The struggle to accept themselves could possible be projected out and viewed as doubly harmful the perceive others are not accepting them as they are if they do not use their preferred terms. I just don't have that experience, so while I can conceptually understand it - it's not the same as really knowing. But it's not a boundary in the strict sense. To be clear I am just not able to accept the pronoun argument when it is framed as a boundary. If they just prefer it and dont claim it as a boundary that makes more sense. And is acceptable. It doesn't need to be framed as a boundary to be a legitimate thing.

No one should get special anything for their sex.

@Elliott forum rules. Context etc. You usually get snarky with an attitude then fling insults. Calling someone an idiot is hard to misinterpret. There's also no need to call someone an idiot. Avoidable. Calling someone the wrong pronoun on accident is not always so clear it is an offense. There is usually a need on application for pronouns in normal speech. It can be unavoidable without some language alterations that might not be natural. Additionally not every non-binary person cares about pronouns.

@Elliott yes this is because personal boundaries are about what we let in, not about controlling others. This is why I am confused around the framing of pronouns in this way. You can have a preference for sure - it's just not a boundary in the psychological sense.

@Jirh you know the experience of animals?

@Elliott no. I don't. That's what I am saying in my post. ¿Comprende? That is different to not accepting. Or not being accommodating to their preferred pronouns and paying due respect. Or saying they are wrong, unacceptable or bad. You assume the worst of people systematically on these forums.

Forgetting - or establishing a habit? Maybe two sides of the same coin 🙃 Do something enough, repeated, and there is no need to remember. It becomes a habit. Like wiping your arse with tp. Practice makes perfect - whenever you fuck up just get back on the horse. Don't worry about falling off the wagon. The more you practice starting again the closer it becomes a habit and reflex.

That's cool. You don't know me.

Overall I think it has gotten better - especially over the last 3 years. There's some more fucked up rhotoric that irritates me, but not enough to impact my day - I want no sympathy: Women here are maligned for being emotional, feelings based. Unable to make proper decisions because "corrupt emotions" and never using intellect to make decisions with love - and generally just being painted with this frame of femininity "emotional, feeling, expressive, empathic, nurturing" etc. all well and good. Then there is a secondary dialogue of endless whinging and complaining that women don't use their head, aren't intellectual with decisions, aren't truthful. Work based off feelings etc. that we need to use rationality more. Be more forthright and honest. And then... "I am not attracted to masculine women, only feminine. Strong feminine polarity" but also don't be stupid and be in the feelings, also you need to be rational and intellectual like a man. But also don't be like a man because I won't be attracted to you. Pretzel yourself into impossible shit for me. I don't get it.

@Elliott no, I would just wonder if they were okay ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯

@Ulax whatever

@Miguel1 there's very little I can to do say anything to alter beliefs based on cognitive bias. I am also not stupid - I wont engage in much dialogue with someone if I feel the belief is based on feelings or brainwashing. Or cognitive bias. Some users I won't engage in trying to reason with them. If I see sexism - warnings. Removing points for sexist remarks, when users don't respond to verbal warnings, when it is a repeat, systemic offense. That sends a message. Intended or not. It does. I considered stepping down as a moderator and retiring from contributing here because I do not wish to stay if I supply insubstantial value. Overall I accept I will be treated slightly poorly here. Emerald and ethereal cat have mostly retired. I would not expect a response.

@Hojo tl:dr cope? 🥹

A framework that puts one sex of a species as being totally alien? It causes needless seperation when connecting is what it's all about. The advice I have isn't isolated to this. It's a given that all frames have limits to them. This one is just especially so. I don't need to have lived experience to apply analytical logic - and if you disqualify based on that I can't help you. And you are free to not take the advice.