Natasha Tori Maru

@Alexop oh I think the topic is a good one for discussion - it just easily turns into weighting how important one trait is vs another. How much each sex has of each trait. Then people's personal bias and opinion on what is "masculine" "feminine" gets slapped in with reasoning that research doesn't support. It's when it gets into these mirky waters and bias infects it all that I tune out and find little value remaining. I dislike where it typically goes, not the topic itself 😊

This debate is like arguing why your arm is better than your leg

This topic makes me sad to read.

Can you quote some examples from this thread?

@Elliott is on timeout to cool off

This sounds like deep self esteem issues. Self worth and shame. There will be a root somewhere in your past (most likely). Somewhere in your experience, an incorrect meaning was made. You received a message you were not worth enough. Maybe you had to earn love (love is not something to be earned, it is freely given). Maybe you were rejected because someone had an issue, but you received it as "I was bothersome", when the person had the problem, not you.... etc etc. These misinterpretations from our history, if uninspected, fester. They can become rooted in our conception of self. Our identity. Unravelling this is about changing your relationship to the memory. To the experience. And seeing clearly where we misunderstood the meaning. Reconcile responsibility or repeat the pattern....

With the fucken thighs (innocuous aussie accent)

Hyping this - bumpity bump bump New poster

Shits gonna' fuck - Or - Shit better fuck @UnbornTao I know you are about this

I don't understand how this relates to my question to the OP.

Whataboutism and false dichotomy. You can be concerned about multiple things at once.

Hardmaxxing Te is the way to go . This was key to accelerating my personal growth. You are forced to deal with Se through a function that is more native feeling which gives that confidence to deal with chaos. That is how I understand it anyway. It also feels like it stretches the Ni legs by feeding it large volumes of data to play with.

There is something magical about the effect of a walk. The slow movement of the visual surroundings sliding by. The crunchy leaves underfoot. Cool air in the lungs. In and out. No need for an aim. No pressure to complete. Just direct feedback with reality punctuated by thoughts. Thoughts being picked up and dropped. Willy-nilly. As they arrive. I recall being told to go on a walk when down - and I used to be resistant. I struck out one day thinking "I'll give this one try" quite resentful in the thought. Half way through "Fuck, dammit. This is actually working. Haha!"

This is typically discarded or overlooked when forming up these narratives. There was no globalisation. The family unit and the role of fatherhood (as well as motherhood) is the reason we survived and thrived as a species. Maybe it sounds cooler to abandon the woman and skeet skeet all over the place

I am a heavy sceptic with all of these evolutionary biology and historical societal structure theories. I think there is more conditioning around gender and roles than we want to admit. I think there is often a quick move from observing a gender difference to explaining it as an evolved adaptation, and then from that proposed adaptation to treating a contemporary social arrangement as natural or inevitable. And I think the proliferation of red pill ideology is responsible for a substantial portion of this narrative. I can't in good faith reach any conclusion based on the evidence (or lack thereof, when intellectual leaps are made).

Do you think you might seek the approval of the women you are attracted to?

ChatGPT can only tell me I appear to be Ni dom. I think I programmed it to be way too hedge-y and never give an answer unless it qualifies the shit out of it >.<

The Sorority Squat.

@jacknine119 The forum can be a great tool to dive into social realms, connection, intellectual debate and sparring. You can make it what you wish (within the guidelines, of course). You might want to think about a journal to offload any charged emotions that need an outlet, if you are unsure how to engage in discussions. I find the forum has been an asset for my growth - through moderation, intellectual jousting & shadow work (egoic triggering). There is nothing else like the direct feedback you get from others in contrast and friction with your ideas and beliefs. This forum in particular has some very unusual thinkers who present ideas and alternative explanations you may have never considered (some are way, way off from truth and some right on the mark. Most are middling in between). Sometimes to ease loneliness, we just need to allow ourselves to feel it. Don't avoid it. No one is burdened by you here We love a good mind!

@Joshe Why does his face looks like cratered, crepe-papered moon. The editorial composite, lighting, image processing, sharpening, and contrast are doing him NO favours.

What exactly do you mean by this?

@enchanted Sometimes we are just "in" our emotions LET ME HAVE MY EMOTIONS!

More examples of the framing I am questioning. The prompt to consider fatherhood, and the go is immediately toward male reproductive behaviour and mating status. Maybe men do not perceive themselves overly connected with the role. You are, though. It is the rhetoric employed NOW I question. Right here. On this very forum.

Women are often referred to as mothers in discussions like this. But men are more often referred to as men or providers. Not fathers. I wonder why there is asymmetry there - it appears all over the forum in discussions of this type. Is it because motherhood is more salient? Asymmetrical model of parental responsibility?