Natasha Tori Maru

@Xonas Pitfall there are problematic dialogues regarding age with women. Many come from red pill ideaology. And it's an attempt to devalue women and "take them down a peg" when attributing excessive worth to women based on youth.

Not what I'm saying.

@Lyubov No one is attempting to understand what you are saying - merely refute what they think you are saying. ____ IMO - age gaps when they are large, and one partner is 20yo or thereabouts, are often problematic. You don't hear of huge volumes of success stories for a reason. Older men can often go for younger women and slap the terms "no baggage" "femininity" "energy for life" as what drew them in; but often it is (unconscious or conscious) the desire for someone more pliant who will yield to the man, and a desire to feel young as age catches up. Cope. This can be true for men who do not see anything problematic with themselves or their behavior. Younger women often haven't learnt to diplomatically draw boundaries and are still working out who they are, what they want, and what they will/won't tolerate. They are also socialized to priorities harmony - which can result in suppressing their own needs. These women tolerate a lot more. It is no coincidence many older men go for these women, when their own age group have learned to explicate boundaries, needs and wants - which is always more difficult and requires patience, compromise and diplomacy to navigate. And some men in this group do not want to have to compromise. Just using man/woman in this example as it is more common. But it can be reversed when the age gap is large enough and one party is relatively inexperienced in life. It is the gap in maturity, experience and knowing oneself that creates issues. The larger the gap between parties, the more problematic. It is often about life stages also. People often use age as a proxy, or heuristic, for development of these things.

Solid exhibitionist streak. Possible he needed to keep upping the ante to get the same rush and thrill from sex, by engaging in more and more extreme behavior. People who engage in compulsive sex to the extent he has often follow this pattern.

Great source share. Cheers. Listened while training. This is the 16 year old girl who was previously opting to remaining anonymous. She brings up some good points. That it is insane to think Russell was convinced with no evidence (she goes into the investigation and parts police had to play gathering evidence from her). That rape myths are still perpetuated (only brute force rape counts). Correct me if I am wrong but I think this myth was used in the trial also? Fuck man. He forcebly opened her mouth with his hands, held it open and spat into it. Then closed it until she swallowed. Infantalised her. And more... It sounds really twisted. Power trip comes to mind.

@Inliytened1 I didn't back down. I'm just disagreeing. There isn't anything left to discuss for me

I'm not talking about any of that 😊 I don't collapse the person/their character and the behaviour into one. Good people can behave poorly, and vice versa.

@Inliytened1 yes. You disagree 😁 - agree to disagree

@Inliytened1 agree to disagree.

@Inliytened1 you can be wise outside of experience. Agree to disagree.

If you want to define it as earned only - you can. But I have wisdom outside of pain as a teacher.

False! Some people are wise enough to learn by observation and intuition. Not everyone needs pain and punishment.

Top - 2023 Bottom - 2026 We are collectively fucking up. Big time. The worst version of "fuck around and find out". Get ready to enter swamp mode.

The feels Miss him.

Lovely conversation with my Christian family. Apparently Russell should be totally absolved and forgiven. He has shown himself to be of the faith, and that is proof of his good intention and penance. The women he was with probably weren't Christian so have loose morals. In the same conversation someone was condemned and "she will go to hell" for being an atheist. Atheists are condemned and can burn in hell. Convicted rapists should be free & forgiven because they realised Christ.

It's not a problem. As long as they do not proselytise and have a "live and let live" attitude.

@oOo 👏🏻

You could be right - I just go by his word as stated in multiple interviews. He could be covering. I didnt know you were a PUA (former). Must be a lot of work, shaking off that system! Or sorting through the good/bad.

Perhaps, now. But Robert has gone on record to make clear (48 laws of power) he wrote it from the perspective of "these are dynamics you need to be aware of". He didn't write the book initially with the premise it was a manipulation manual.

I agree. He appears to have applied respectful diligence and grace with the content and style of delivery. Even considering the impact of the jail time on Russells children. Conscientious.

Scroll to 8minute mark for count 6 - the most damning part. Judges sentencing. His damning arrogance and behaviour sounds like it has played a part in the harsh sentencing. Pattern of behaviour with a lack of contrition.

I feel sorry for Dr Roman Yampolskiy. But then again, he signed up for this. Maybe this should be in the humour / off-topic section

@Jirh appreciate your thoughts here. I think your approach is nuanced, intelligent and mature. This subject is so charged when I talk about it with my friends. It makes me think of PUA and LMR techniques. If LMR is seen as "token resistance" instead of genuine refusal, it could train some men to blow through women's boundaries. Not all PUA techniques are coercive, and not every instance of persistence is sexual coercion. This is another grey area of consent that really irritates my girlfriends. I can't even bring this up without it being labelled coercion. Even though they will also simultaneously admit they can be nervous or ambivalent - and enjoy being encouraged by a partner. I think many times these grey areas can ( and should) be navigated together. Instead I see parties often walking away with two different interpretations of desire and consent. It usually comes back to mature communication. Dual responsibility to communicate. And here safety has a massive impact. Because some women freeze when the amygdala is activated. Pure survival reflex. I think we really want a model of sexual ethics that protects people from coercion without stripping human intimacy of its nuance. Sound easy... But in practice....

@aurum well said. That hatred phase is an expression of feeling betrayed as expressed by my girlfriends. I don't entertain it. Because I don't share it, and I feel as if it fuels the fire. I agree that the ultimate objective is neither submission nor opposition. Healthy endgame to me looks like autonomy with the capacity for genuine connection.

This is really damning if accurate....