Natasha Tori Maru

Because it's no way near the spending AI companies need to make a profit. Exhibit A https://isaiprofitable.com/

I don't understand the outsmarted part and the fixation on being outsmarted. I also don't understand what it has to do with spirituality. ----- @Thought Art I was just about to raise it but Carl did - you are doing exactly what you are accusing Carl of.

I love jets. Power. Just imagine what is in development with private defence contractors that we haven't seen yet...

@LordFall the posts by @WonderSeeker above are touching on the same assumption / blind spot I illustrated.

Honestly - the fable 5 shit just sounds like the perfect PR marketing trap to get a surge in users when it's released.

@LordFall read my comment again. Systemic belief. It's a recurring pattern. I know you advocate for your way of life and approach heavily. But I cannot help but be sceptical; I am all about wholeism in terms of mental, intellectual and spiritual health. You don't appear to align across those 3 due to other reports of your struggles with drug abuse. Could it be some of your ways of life and approach are unconsciously causing damage you are escaping with through substance? We all do this to a degree. We are humans. But the degree to which these copes are engaged with can reflect the magnitude of unconscious damage/issue etc. figuring out cause and effect can be hard. Weed use is strongly about centring in a body mindfulness and presence state - it can directly indicate a disconnection from the body in everyday life...

I agree I do not think it IS literally agreed to - openly at least. It's the underlying message that is threaded through all communication (and the one you raised) when backed into a corner "I am above you". Authority. This is doubled down on as well. Exemplified in the "Who wants actualized.org retreats?" thread and the offshoot discussion about enlightenment and it's existence. Not sure if you guys recall that one. Deferring to the teachings would be the correct way, instead of inserting oneself into them.

@Joseph Maynor 🤗 Where are you? Spectacular location

I think it is complex because the term cult is applied different in different domains as it applies: Sociology, religious studies, psychology, popular usage, law, anthropology and history etc They all have different definitions going from pure or conceptual to applied and evaluative or pragmatic.

You can make the statement "there is no such thing as a good cult' if you define cult as a binary thing. So, if I were to adopt Leo's terminology and strict definition - this would be true. But since I adopt that a cult and cult dynamics are a spectrum - I would not agree. Cult-lite might not be so bad, it might not have all the hallmarks of a cult. Namely - the very bad characteristics. So lets say I brainstorm the spectrum for what a cult is: Strong devotion to a leader, idea, or doctrine. Isolation from outside influences, such as family, friends, or mainstream society. Pressure to conform. Discourage questioning or criticism. Control over members' behavior, information, or relationships. Us-versus-them mentality, viewing outsiders as misguided or hostile. The above marked up in red might be the bad cults. The normal text might be the non-bad cult-lite When we all have these alternate terms, the whole thing gets bricked. We cannot really have a good discussion until terms and defined. And the term "cult" is not defined

@Wilhelm44 also to respect your question - I do not think I am part of a cult. Is this place a cult, though? I am entirely undecided. This is why this topic is intriguing and enlightening to me. And not damning or negative. I remain neutral and open to both sides.

Yes that's what a spectrum is. I think you might have negative connotations with the word and concept of cult? But remember this is just my definition (that it's not a binary yes/no). I find the binary one to be reductionist, and a way to neatly draw lines so we don't have to deal with inspecting our own beliefs and propensity for deception.

@Wilhelm44 I think there is a large spectrum of variation regarding users and how entrenched they are in the community. You could very, very reasonably argue some members exhibit cult like thinking, behaviour and bias. This could point to a degree of rhetorical circular arguments and traps being present in teaching - or it could be that certain types of poeple naturally exhibit cult like thinking and they bring it TO the teaching themselves. This is further supported looking at how frequently people come to Leo or his teachings for help, for guidance, for someone to look up to. You could argue many are already in a primed and compromised state to be brainwashed. I good indicator might be looking at actualized.org followers as a whole and assessing for % of this type of thinking. One might reasonably infer, if there was a large or overwhelming portion of users who fell within this umbrella, that there was a problem with the teaching methods themselves that lends toward a mind control/rhetoric/trap like thinking. But the same again could be said regarding the type of people who go to Leo. Self help at first, then spirituality as a natural stepping stone (many users report this as their path!) Overall I think there are only a few members who present with belief systems instilled by Leo that follow a cult pattern. But Leo often reports to test everything for yourself. Not believe what he says. And then, as presented by @zurew, when cornered, he is often presents himself as the arbiter of knowing who is God realised. Who isn't. The Truth. This seriously undermines users soveriegnty after the conflicting statement 'find out for yourself, don't believe what I have to say.' There's an inconsistent message there that, I believe, does need to be addressed by Leo. On the one hand it's 'only you know, test for yourself' and on the other 'only I, Leo, know who is this or that'. He positions himself as authority regarding truth in this way. Which is the launchpad for the brainwashing argument.

Have a read of the warning details. Read it carefully, without assumptions or false inferences. You might find there are many in your line of reasoning. I've spoken to you about this matter previously. I consider it closed and resolved. Please DM Leo if you wish to take this further, or feel something is unresolved.

@Wilhelm44 Does the framing of the question refer back to 'this place' as a basis for answer? Cults or no - it's a spectrum. Not a binary thing.

I think it is exactly this type of thinking that could be the blind spot. I think this could be looked at as an 'in group' type of cognitive bias. The claim that we would be hard pressed to find another community better prepared, isn't strong to me. There are many closed of groups, communities and segments of society we don't have access to. We just don't know.

@Yimpa I think it could be one the 'Don't Die' necklaces he had as a limited release? Not sure As an aside, lowkey love Kate has COWBOY boots on in the tmi vaginal probe image - ride em' probes cowgirl!

@Julian gabriel I actually haven't one idea of what you are talking about or these assumptions. Have fun with them, though.

I bet you more than half the followers of Leo perceive themselves as too intelligent to fall into cult like thinking and behaviour. Intelligence has nothing to do with being deceived in another domain. The truth is always served up with a big side of horseshit along with it. And I suspect many users thinking they are too intelligent to fall into the clutches of a cult is the - exact - reason why the assumption remains uninspected, rooted in belief about themselves. And their character. This whole topic is why my signature is what it is.

@LordFall there appears to be an assumption behind all of your arguments & talking points with @integral that "My view is the correct way to engage in the world, anyone that is rational will automatically come to the same conclusions I do and if they don't there is something wrong". I'm not saying anything is incorrect, but it's possible someone could live the same life you have and come to completely different conclusions and meanings. You don't appear to want to consider that there might not be a right or wrong? Hey, I could be wrong here. Just appears this is the uninspected assumptions behind your entire dialogue with @integral here.

Who's gonna tell him? 😁

@Leo Gura his reversed aged mother that's the true experiment he will reveal later? 🤣 Bryan wants to see where he came from...

Fuck, I didn't realise we were looksmaxxing here. Misunderstood the assignment. @Joseph Maynor @integral cheers!

I didn't say that.

Part of Bryan's marketing tactic is shock and confrontation. But he also seems very unaware of appropriate boundaries. Kate should post an image of her inspecting his anus when he gets a rectal exam. Only fair.