Natasha Tori Maru

@Psychonaut Of course!

Hits bad in the feels. Bad feel. The WORST feel. Tears

Jesus Christ. The runtime on this is 2hrs 30 mins

Shits gonna' fuck - Or - Shit better fuck @UnbornTao I know you are about this

@integral something so unique was formed in the connection between man and dog when we domesticated them from wolves. My girl is trained on hand signals and clicks for commands. Even small head movements. She knows. Best part of the day is being assaulted by a frenzied, explosive and uncontrollable happy tail to the face

Laika - first being to orbit the earth in space Relevant. It is this pups anniversary today. This story makes me cry. She died of overheating. Alone. I love dogs

I have never been sexually abused or raped. This is received as a surprise and shock to every women I have ever met Between women it is spoken of with more openness. Not one women I know has avoided sexual abuse of some type (my mother, my sister, my grandmother & cousins included). I would approximate a quarter of these women were raped by someone they knew. This is just my own anecdote as people I meet and speak with are generally more comfortable being open and vulnerable when I speak to them one on one. Sometimes I cannot hold space emotionally for the stories. It's not good. It breaks my heart. These women mostly walked away thinking it was their fault. Internalised shame. None of them reported anything. Victims end up going through life in various states of disrepair. It also makes me realise how blessed I have been.

For those who need an external moral/ethical framework when it isn't inherent from within. This is how I see it. Which is from a pragmatic framework. In terms of epistemology ... yuck!

I never claimed this, though.

I think dogs can pattern match sequences. They can observe and know or guess what might occur next. My pup will know it is time to leave the house in the morning based on a sequence of sounds I make. There are cognitive processes involved in being able to do the above: associative learning (sound cues), sequential pattern recognition (she will only motion to go when things happen in a rough order, instead of all events being independent), anticipation (predictive processing I think it is called) and generalisation (the sounds I make might change a bit, but the overall pattern signals we are leaving). I think this implies a "thinking" although it might not be anything like we experience thinking to be. Much less distinct from feeling. Perhaps one big soup.

I don't think there is a way for us to test this - is there an experiment you could construct that could give some more data? Even when we scan peoples brains for regional associations, the scans can vary by a substantial portion. Do you think it is our language that creates this division between object <-> feeling ? Maybe the distinction we're attempting to investigate is partly an artefact of our own conceptual and linguistic framework? Sometimes how we think about things is literally formed in how we compress or expand on language. As an example of how language can compress observation, interpretation, needs, feelings and thoughts: You're always dismissing what I say. You never actually listen, and it's becoming really frustrating. When I was explaining my perspective and you interrupted me several times, I felt frustrated because I need to feel heard and have my perspective considered. Would you be willing to let me finish before responding? The above marked in red contains observation, interpretation, needs, feelings and thoughts. So does the blue - but it is the uncompressed version illustrating all these elements concretely. The abstraction alters our perception dramatically (think about how these two phrases would be received). In this way the language we use might a distinction that isn't even there - well, it isn't there is it? huehuehuehue emptiness/nothingness/absolutetruth I digress - got sidetracked with language possibly altering perception

Obviously

I mean... I could argue this might be true of humans also. Looking at people from this frame could apply - we tend to assess and make distinctions around objects based on function. The function of a thing has a value assigned, and that value is based on our feelings, emotions and preferences. We humans might just be exceptional at abstracting away from this core fact (that most assessments are emotional in nature, maybe all).

What? There are some individuals that claim animals cannot be traumatized on the grounds they do not have the level of consciousness humans operate from.

Regarding picking up on "vibe" - dogs can get this wrong if there is a pathology present. And yes, dogs can be traumatised. Animals can suffer from trauma. Regarding the OP: Are you asking if dogs experience something through an emotion, or experience the thing as an emotion?

No amount of explanation is going to mean we will tolerate women being equated to chickens and deserving violence.

Do we have one? Rolling. Post that shit. Shorts, reels, tick-tock turds. Do your worst short format. Boomer cringe. I love the spittle on the guys mouth 🤮🤢 https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS45V1Enf/

Consent isn't a hard concept. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DeCCt7GKL1W/?dlrf=amZhc25xNTltem0y

@Olaf It makes me happy (⁠◍⁠•⁠ᴗ⁠•⁠◍⁠)⁠❤

@integral oh! Massively appreciate your words! Isn't it great when you finally put a face to words? It's a totally different experience 🥰 Doggo is spoilt as hell. It was an hour of ball and running right after I got off the call. I have a shitload going on in life, but all she has is me.

Well fucken said

Thank you 🙏🏻 The understanding & exploration of different perspectives is not the issue. Calling woman animals that deserve violence and equating them to chickens IS the issue. Don't confuse the two things. We already have an issue with women feeling unwelcome, crushing out femininity and feminine expression from the forum. This contributes to that. Statements like the above cause me to hide my own feminine expression here. I can't possibly imagine what it might do to women who aren't as prickly.

What emotions / feelings come up for you? Sympathy, heartbreak, disgust, sadness, pity etc So you feel compelled to action?

@Majed it's not about sophistication. Don't try to justify selfishness in this way. Violating another person's consent is wrong.

@Majed your mixing up relative vs absolute perspectives.