Natasha Tori Maru

Because humans, over the span on 15,000 - 30,000 years, brainwashed dogs into bonding with us so hardcore - we altered their evolutionary biology to need and want to work with us tl;dr we are cu***

@caspex This ends up being an ethics / eugenics debate - do you think? CRISPR etc and access to genetic engineering could create a new elite class - one that wealth will facilitate access too. And I for one to do NOT trust wealthy elites. They have proven time and time again they are NOT for us. I do not trust Bryan. I think people are fooled by the riz and narrative spin. Fooled by authority they love to concede. Not many forum goers approach the topic of the sort of transhumanism this debate slides into. Biology is being stratified. Therapy vs enhancement. Who gets access? Who defines improvement? What counts as a defect vs difference? The whole debate becomes very uncomfortable - if we support autonomy the risk is we can potentially endorse inequality. If it is opposed on equality grounds, we can sound like we oppose medical progress. We go from health and wellbeing right up into the arse of philosophy

He doesn't know what death is.

@CARDOZZO He is always such a hot topic that one. Catalytic, we might say? Love his work

Boy got some testicle on him >.> <.< We good, as always! I didn't mean to for it to appear I judged you for the testicle, I just recognised it LOL Life goes on, riding the rollercoaster. C'est la vie!

ROFL no - there are threads that show a lot more factual discernment in their OP over straight judgement bias. I'm being naughty really, because you are fully entitled to your bias - as are well all when it is a preference or judgement based endevour. There isn't an objective case/discernment for 'dog parents that treat their animals like humans are wrong/bad'. But of course, it's a legit thing that irks people. Ick provoking

I purposely didn't touch on many of the other factors you present here - I ran out of time I think the rise of technology that enables us to live isolated, insular existences amplifies many of these issues. It has amplified male - and societies - loneliness.

@OBEler My immediate read is she is super self conscious and timid. She has that deer-in-the-headlights look of someone who isn't used to speaking or performing in from of the camera. Her movements seem really jarring and pre-thought. Not natural. I think what is being transmitted is an intense awareness she is being 'perceived' which is blocking any natural flow and genuine interest in the whole ordeal. Essentially, perhaps you are picking up on her energy being so fixed on how she is seen - there is no attention and energy going toward what is actually being shown to her. She is so busy worrying about herself there is no room to transmit interest. I dunno, I could be totally wrong - what do you think? Women are hard to read >.< Sometimes there is a lot of agreeableness in them, inhibiting authentic expression because we strive so hard for harmony.

Could be her general affect and temperament. Could be she isn't genuinely interested. Could be she is skeptical as fuck. Body language and reading it is an imprecise science and has been demonstrated so again and again. There is no 'this means that'. We can only make vague inferences in the absence of a baseline understanding of the person. Dr Lisa Felman Barret is one to read/listen to on the subject.

2 of my ex's where like this in our first physical encounters. Both times it was unfamiliarity and nerves.

Are you role-playing?

It's such a huge skyscraper sized truck to be hit by, when you have the realisation fear is the greatest deception, isn't it? It had me motioning through my day, totally disconnected from reality, seeing every way fear fed into the narrative of my life.

I think you made this post to justify your personal judgement of dog owners and their approach to care

I'm deadly series - read fiction. You get into another characters head. Into their world.

Wow, I jumped into this thread and I was about to post 'sounds like stage testosterone' Something something great minds

Exactly - which is why how it is phrased makes all the difference to how it is received. I personally do not like speaking about structures within society with any sort of gendered attribute. I find it needlessly polarizing and in some cases completely incorrect. It also runs the risk of men and women feeling shame for things they are not responsible for - but have the power to change.

@Jannes Yeah so, my stance is that as we fix issues facing women, that might present as huge focuses, our quality of existence as men AND women increases. Men’s problems sometimes appear more acute once women gain equality. This highlights where there may have been issues with men the entire time, but because the greater threat to progression was women's issues, problems weren't visible. Men face some rigid gender stereotypes that need to be challenged. And the source of these needs to be assessed - because some of these harmful stereotypes are extrinsic. Men face a loneliness epidemic today because their main source of connection, affection and companionship is no longer 'guaranteed' due to women's equality movements. Women generally have stronger interpersonal connections with each other AND men - meaning they spread burden of connection needs over many people. Men often just have themselves and their partner. The loneliness epidemic references is an example of the structural consequence of shifting gender roles: men are often socially habituated to connect mainly through romantic relationships or traditional hierarchies. This explains a lot of the MGTOW movement; many of these men are realizing the bond between men is important. A bond that perhaps was neglected when women weren't as free, due to women being subjugated to men previously (before feminism and women's rights). Resenting women for this loss of 'supply' is an issue that feeds Red Pill ideology. The problems arise when we try to come up with 'solutions'. There is an attempt to try to return to rigid gender stereotypes to feed needs. There are also some toxic ideologies proposing control of external structures to ensure men's emotional health. Again it's the wrong direction. Social connection needs to be emphasised as a need for men, a need that is normal & absolutely integral to their health and wellbeing. A need that doesn't necessarily need to be serviced in totality by women. Many people blame feminism for these issues - when all it did was reveal these existing cracks. I think it simply illustrates weaknesses already baked into an old system we are outgrowing. The above is just an example - but looking at men in education is another example of this phenomenon - they are falling behind. Men's rights to custody of children is another inherent bias in the system that needs looking into. There are many more... What do you think?

@Hojo I feel his motivation is fear of death.

This is a firm argument for the displacement of men. And this is why this debate is coming into focus so often, now. The more we improve society and remedy the big cracks, the more the little cracks suddenly visible - and we also discover where we might need to place some reinforcement for new issues that arise. There's a big lag in isolating what the new problem is, where it came from, and coming up with solutions that don't revert to previous structure or subjugation in some way.

Unfortunately humans have bred and changed dogs evolution through selective breeding & training. Some dogs have been bred to be dependant on humans in a way that means they prefer an unnatural environment (IE indoors). I don't claim this is correct. We can witness more of this in short-nosed breeds like pugs (constant breathing issues that need thousands in surgery). Dachshunds who's spines break just existing or doing normal dog shit. German shepherds with backs bread for an 'aesthetic' downslope that end up disabled. Bully breeds selectively bred for aggression that we punish for exisiting. Let's not even get into greyhound racing! Unnaturally fast track turns that break their delicate back hocks. Dogs that literally snap their spines while racing from the sheer power of their legs and speed.... What humans have done to dogs is disgusting.

@UnbornTao What you are doing is bullying now. You've repeatedly called your assessment out over a long span of time. Irrespective of it being correct or truth, it's clear targetting and pretty low bar.

Yep this is why male suicide is a huge, huge problem ☹️ As a wider question - do the men of the forum think this isn't payed enough attention? Heaps of dudes feel expendable.

To balance this you can claim women have opportunity to build character through mothering / childrearing & care. Men can coast to a greater degree. There's a reason women gravitate towards caretaking to a greater degree. Different domains of speciality.

Yep there's definitely a pattern there that means I see more of the poor examples of mental health and men. If I put a women in a similar situation, she would be less likely to kill herself.