Natasha Tori Maru

I think I may have been watching the same clip as you. He was referring to Brand locking the woman in, not sexual assault. He locked the door on one woman and prevented her from leaving. That's kidnapping and 25 years, I believe, in the states.

Well said. Pair bonding creates such powerful bias after the initial stages of attraction, the assessment and priority of value drops - in my experience.

@LordFall you are responding to some things I am not saying. I didn't say that every man attracted to younger women wants someone manipulable (as an example). Reducing these dynamics to dating-market value is a significant conceptual oversimplification.

@Emull @oOo cheers! Thanks everyone, for contributing

Let's have a wholesome thread. Gimme your earned wisdom! Behavioural signs that are a proxy for good character or trait! I'll start: He makes me want to be a better woman. Not because I need his approval or to earn love. Because I genuinely admire him Doesnt confuse vulnerability with weakness. Accepts no with no retaliation. Doesn't mistake independence for rejection. Can navigate relational ruptures without throwing out the relationship or abandoning themselves. I got more, but these are to get us rolling !

@Seed it's not enough. He needs to formally apologise to these women. If he cannot acknowledge, genuinely, that he understands his actions were wrong, and earnestly apologise - he isn't repentant and he isnt taking responsibility. He needs to publically do this. Alcohol and intoxication won't make a man rape, sexually abuse or demean a woman. I know plenty of men who get fucked up. Beer doesn't make them rape. Doesn't make them abuse. Drugs don't make them do these things. He made choices. Wrong ones. Now he takes responsibility. You say he needs time to process. Come to terms. Did he extend that grace to the women he violated? Did they get time to come to terms with being anally raped and stealthed? No. He just did what he wanted. Now he is getting what he wants, taken away. Through incarceration.

Has he admitted guilt and apologised?

In before all AI is no longer subsidized and it costs you $1,000.00 per iteration to play this game 💀

I feel sorry for Dr Roman Yampolskiy. But then again, he signed up for this. Maybe this should be in the humour / off-topic section

The conversation overall... Scrambled my eggs 💀

I am familiar with the honeymoon phase - but it has always been a mild/moderate shift. It could be ill-defined now I reflect on it. Some people might be referring to a complete drop-off of attraction. I think that term is thrown about very loosely; some people refer to it from the frame of sex, some attraction / intense feelings. I always thought, when referring to sex as the honeymoon phase, it was that initial "lock yourselves in for 8hrs and indulge in sex, food and cuddles" phase.... Which isn't necessary very sustainable. Or conducive to attending to the duties of life 🤣

@aurum In my long term, stable + healthy relationships I found attraction fluctuating throughout. Up, and down. I never thought to assess an overall trend. Unless attraction dissapeared totally. But this hasn't happened to me.

@Xonas Pitfall there are problematic dialogues regarding age with women. Many come from red pill ideaology. And it's an attempt to devalue women and "take them down a peg" when attributing excessive worth to women based on youth.

Not what I'm saying.

@Lyubov No one is attempting to understand what you are saying - merely refute what they think you are saying. ____ IMO - age gaps when they are large, and one partner is 20yo or thereabouts, are often problematic. You don't hear of huge volumes of success stories for a reason. Older men can often go for younger women and slap the terms "no baggage" "femininity" "energy for life" as what drew them in; but often it is (unconscious or conscious) the desire for someone more pliant who will yield to the man, and a desire to feel young as age catches up. Cope. This can be true for men who do not see anything problematic with themselves or their behavior. Younger women often haven't learnt to diplomatically draw boundaries and are still working out who they are, what they want, and what they will/won't tolerate. They are also socialized to priorities harmony - which can result in suppressing their own needs. These women tolerate a lot more. It is no coincidence many older men go for these women, when their own age group have learned to explicate boundaries, needs and wants - which is always more difficult and requires patience, compromise and diplomacy to navigate. And some men in this group do not want to have to compromise. Just using man/woman in this example as it is more common. But it can be reversed when the age gap is large enough and one party is relatively inexperienced in life. It is the gap in maturity, experience and knowing oneself that creates issues. The larger the gap between parties, the more problematic. It is often about life stages also. People often use age as a proxy, or heuristic, for development of these things.

Solid exhibitionist streak. Possible he needed to keep upping the ante to get the same rush and thrill from sex, by engaging in more and more extreme behavior. People who engage in compulsive sex to the extent he has often follow this pattern.

Great source share. Cheers. Listened while training. This is the 16 year old girl who was previously opting to remaining anonymous. She brings up some good points. That it is insane to think Russell was convinced with no evidence (she goes into the investigation and parts police had to play gathering evidence from her). That rape myths are still perpetuated (only brute force rape counts). Correct me if I am wrong but I think this myth was used in the trial also? Fuck man. He forcebly opened her mouth with his hands, held it open and spat into it. Then closed it until she swallowed. Infantalised her. And more... It sounds really twisted. Power trip comes to mind.

@Inliytened1 I didn't back down. I'm just disagreeing. There isn't anything left to discuss for me

I'm not talking about any of that 😊 I don't collapse the person/their character and the behaviour into one. Good people can behave poorly, and vice versa.

@Inliytened1 yes. You disagree 😁 - agree to disagree

@Inliytened1 agree to disagree.

@Inliytened1 you can be wise outside of experience. Agree to disagree.

If you want to define it as earned only - you can. But I have wisdom outside of pain as a teacher.

False! Some people are wise enough to learn by observation and intuition. Not everyone needs pain and punishment.

Top - 2023 Bottom - 2026 We are collectively fucking up. Big time. The worst version of "fuck around and find out". Get ready to enter swamp mode.