Natasha Tori Maru

@AerisVahnEphelia if you say so.

@Joshe Love as a concept metaphysically has been around longer than philosophy, even. It is not originating from Leo. Vedanta, Daoism, Confusian ren, ancient Greece, Christianity, Jewish Kabbalah, modern philosophy etc etc etc I could go on...

Yes exactly - which is why I raised that 'skill' is a touch broad of a term, as it can reference more than just technical ability. Original aesthetics are very close to what I think of as individuals with an artists vision or a directorial eye.

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It might be more accurate and less confusing to say 'it is arbitrary who decides the top great masters of each art movement', rather than state 'their skill is overrated'. Because it is the institutional power, group consensus, politics, historical accident, access and resultant group think that I see as the issue. Many of these artist's have skill in the creative and directive realms - some receive accolades for innovating or applying their vision in a never before seen way. These, as well as tool use, control, materials, accuracy of rendition (proportion, anatomy)... then we can go on into perceptual sensitivity; colour relationships, spatial tension, rhythm (negative/positive space), emotional rendition, balance, harmony. Narrative flow. Stylistic rules. Skill begins to point toward an artist that can decide better. Direct. It might help to define what is meant by 'skill'. It is too nebulous a term to be used without defining what we mean, as combined with all of the above an element of subjectivity is present in what determines 'skill'. Some of the greatest masters are not known for the technical ability. Some just for what they introduced as a concept IE Andy Warhol. All of the above is sort of why I dislike art critics so much. You cannot just measure it with a ruler, see it conforms and slap 'great' on it.

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Rofl that person never saw a red in their life I love how this thread has devolved onto Australia-isms now 🥹

Skippy mate, she loves the school roo ride 🤣

Yep, exactly! Which almost makes the whole thing worse. It just builds another layer of nuance to the farce. The whole 'art critic' thing plays into your point also. Art critic my arse. Bullshit job. Art critics propel/start half the 'value' tends by defining 'great art'. Big players.

If you think about it, Andy Warhol was giving the finger to the fine arts crew. The critics and moment. The hype. By using their own medium against them; creating performative art and shoving it in their faces. He recognised the farse and hype 🙃

Additionally some artist were performing a completely different role; Andy Warhol for instance. His work was a calling to all the art and creativity that lies within design and marketing. He painted things like the Campbell soup can to highlight 'This is art. Work & creativity went into this' precisely as a revolt against the fine arts movement. Because they would not recognise an expert typeface songwriter, or the designer behind the Campbell soup can, as an artist. He fundamentally disagreed with their narrow view of 'art'. This was in part a personal vandetta, as he faced this discrimination in his early career. Much of his work was a statement highlighting the creativity and art behind everyday items. Many people covet art, and artists, without even recognising what they did. Why they did it. And how.

Indeed - I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with your premise. It is the trend-following effect that comes after that I would consider the group think/hype. Similar to following a style trend originating from a couture fashion runway. Avante garde tends to mean, within the art world, new or experimental ideas in art. What breaks the precedent. Pioneering. It is hard to generate something new without it being slapped with 'avante garde'. The finer distinction would be differentiating the artist, their craft & skill from the movement itself. The hype and elevation to legendary status some of the bigger names receive. Removed from the simple craft itself. There are many artists of greater skill within movements that were simply never recognised as much as some of the famous names.

Usually the top fine artists that are highly valued were done so for being pioneers of a 'movement' prior to the style becoming mainstream.

What makes the first impression on you when listening to a tune, rhythm or melody? Do you play music, or dance? Many dancers and drummers I know tend toward noticing rhythm first, movement & beat. Other musicians hear the emotional crescendos of the melody & sequential pitches. I do not know if there is any pattern to be found here. I am a dancer and only ever learned some drums and a touch of bass guitar (rhythm). I have always heard the beat and rhythm first. It catches me before the melody. I feel the beat in my body as movement, I feel the melody as an emotional weight in my chest and heart 😃

It has the propensity to bypass rational filters & boundaries. I enjoy charisma from others, but I test the claims. And then watch the behaviour over time. Normally it masks a lack of integrity & substance, as the power of charisma lies in its seduction. Wielders of this trait typically float on by on its wings, which can mean large domains of a persons integrity remain underdeveloped. They never had to develop. I wouldn't say charisma isn't bad per se - but it is POWERFUL. Power without resistance is dangerous, and charisma can bypass our internal resistance. Just my personal view though. As you can guess, I have seen this shit as a repeated pattern in life. I place caution flaggies all around charismatic people.

I agree. I would proceed to gut out all inconsistencies 'not that'. Negate.

Well, the more specific words 'self-deception' were used, which can overlap as bias (although, more precise) so I will not punch you with my noodly girl-arms

You need to value both health and money. It is not one or the other. In some cases even, you won't have health without money. This is a symbiotic wholistic concept. In addition - you WILL need medical assistance at some point in your life. These systems need us to contribute back so we can benefit from them through integrating with society. Give and take. You need to find your own balance. Compromise 🙏

I think of situations like this as domain related intelligence. Someone can be outstanding in a field, and then reveal the most absurd, irrational and unfounded opinion (in a different domain), I am left open-mouthed. I know the person I am speaking to knows how to operate effectively on a few levels. But there is always some aspect that is so crazy, the only thing you CAN do is laugh. You cannot control them. Anger could be the friction felt internally due to this lack of control. It is also prudent to note - you opinions change. One day you might wake up angry at yourself

You have revealed a lot of your circumstances on the forum. I go by what you, yourself, have admitted to. You aren't this fragile little snowflake that will dissolve into uselessness with the hint of a warm breeze. Sorry to be so harsh and blunt, but you need to consider that if you didn't have these concepts running around in your head, they would not be placing extraneous stress on top of your current issues (whatever they may be). The placebo effect is real. Your mind is creating stress through these ideas. You want your circumstances to be not your responsibility - you want to blame everything external. Forget all that and simply focus on what you have the power to change. If you were taking care of everything you need to, you would not be having the experience you are currently. This wild contradiction is at the heart of your repeated cognitive dissonance. I won't bother you any longer with my replies, as I can see the futility of this. Only know, that I want the best for you. And these hard words are a form of compassion and care. x

Those little fuckers are weird. Macropods that have NO fear of humans. Just rock up say hello mode Not like kangaroos, which really terrify me. Half the clips of them look like AI. It is those huge back hunches that give me the fear - when they do that shit standing on their tail, and kick with their legs to gut you? Nightmare fuel.... And their upper bodies are jacked as fuck...

Sorta feeds into Kubrick's sudden death a few days after showing Eyes Wide Shut to Warner Bro's. NB Eyes Wide Shut is about a satanist sex cult

I'm not talking about chronic physical stress, I am talking about life tasks in general. Wholistically taking care of the things you should attend to. Don't overthink it. Forget about glucocorticoid hormones. You don't need to know any of that stuff. Psychosomatic stuff is real. Consider some of this could be mind generated.

@SQAAD keep challenging yourself to increase your capacity to deal with pressure. Small things every day. One extra thing for a week. Slowly. This is how you increase your threshold for stress. Upping your resilience. Don't just give up when you feel stress. This is a natural response of the body pushing you towards something.

You can do it. For sure. I do the above, maybe more exercise and I have to care for my grandmother (97) and run a construction business also. If I can - YOU can 🙏 Do it enough that it becomes a habit. Repeat repeat repeat until you beat it into your nervous system and becomes a habit. A reflex. You won't even think. You will wake up and engage. Practice makes perfect. That's it ! One thing I find powerful; always chain tasks. Never say 'i will do this' it is always 'i will do this, then this'. Slowly chain more and more. Twos go well initially so you aren't overwhelmed.