Natasha Tori Maru

@Rafael Thundercat in this instance I understand not engaging with the user in question 👍 it's hard to approach a topic like this in good faith for many users. And when someone strawmans, you already know they have too much certainty to be open to anything new. I think engaging a bit more in general will help clarify your stance in your own words, as you understand the topic. Because you understand in a unique way that is worth exploring, and it is hard to do that when you link an external video. I understand the language barrier, I think you express yourself well. And hey - you are probably doing better than most users here who only know one language 🙃

@caspex thanks for your thoughts ⚡

@Willy Phallicus strawman - nice try though. At least try to understand what OP is presenting and try not to bring your loaded definition into play. You misrepresent what is being spoken about. The links are about egalitarianism over the extremist matriarchal society you are trying to convince yourself is being spoken about. Ask OP what he means. And @Rafael Thundercat I think it would be great if you addressed users in writing rather than spam external videos in reply constantly. It'll help your case more for sure.

@Basman I think you are going too far to try to make a case that isn't there. Dog owners who go overboard with their dogs, treating them with the same sort of care they would a child, are not thinking their dogs ARE humanoid. There would be some psychotic individuals out there who might be off the rails with it. But this isn't the typical dog owner who goes way above with their animal. You actually cannot know what sort of emotional needs a dog is fulfilling. You cannot know or quantify another's experience of the matter at all. I assume you mean anthropomorphism? Wrong is just your moral judgement. A bias. Which you never have to justify - but I admire the effort LOL I totally own my bias - that's the difference

rofl i'm too employed for this soz

@LoneWonderer I LOVE! Whatever we have done to dogs to make them adore and bond to humans - it's real now. The joy I get from my girl - no words. She comes with me to the office while I work so she isn't alone in an apartment all day. 3x walks. I cook her meals because I just cannot bare to think of a being under my care living off nothing but dry kibble and packaged MyDog shit. She is a minipoodle, but unlike most small dogs, is highly trained and doesn't bark. I put lots of time into training her - and she trained me as well. To be more diligent, attentive and careful. I learned a lot through caring for her. It was a symbiotic enriching process. Sometimes I am legit dead at the end of the day, no energy, falling asleep throwing a ball against the wall for her. Worth it!

Because humans, over the span on 15,000 - 30,000 years, brainwashed dogs into bonding with us so hardcore - we altered their evolutionary biology to need and want to work with us tl;dr we are cu***

@caspex This ends up being an ethics / eugenics debate - do you think? CRISPR etc and access to genetic engineering could create a new elite class - one that wealth will facilitate access too. And I for one to do NOT trust wealthy elites. They have proven time and time again they are NOT for us. I do not trust Bryan. I think people are fooled by the riz and narrative spin. Fooled by authority they love to concede. Not many forum goers approach the topic of the sort of transhumanism this debate slides into. Biology is being stratified. Therapy vs enhancement. Who gets access? Who defines improvement? What counts as a defect vs difference? The whole debate becomes very uncomfortable - if we support autonomy the risk is we can potentially endorse inequality. If it is opposed on equality grounds, we can sound like we oppose medical progress. We go from health and wellbeing right up into the arse of philosophy

He doesn't know what death is.

@CARDOZZO He is always such a hot topic that one. Catalytic, we might say? Love his work

Boy got some testicle on him >.> <.< We good, as always! I didn't mean to for it to appear I judged you for the testicle, I just recognised it LOL Life goes on, riding the rollercoaster. C'est la vie!

ROFL no - there are threads that show a lot more factual discernment in their OP over straight judgement bias. I'm being naughty really, because you are fully entitled to your bias - as are well all when it is a preference or judgement based endevour. There isn't an objective case/discernment for 'dog parents that treat their animals like humans are wrong/bad'. But of course, it's a legit thing that irks people. Ick provoking

I purposely didn't touch on many of the other factors you present here - I ran out of time I think the rise of technology that enables us to live isolated, insular existences amplifies many of these issues. It has amplified male - and societies - loneliness.

@OBEler My immediate read is she is super self conscious and timid. She has that deer-in-the-headlights look of someone who isn't used to speaking or performing in from of the camera. Her movements seem really jarring and pre-thought. Not natural. I think what is being transmitted is an intense awareness she is being 'perceived' which is blocking any natural flow and genuine interest in the whole ordeal. Essentially, perhaps you are picking up on her energy being so fixed on how she is seen - there is no attention and energy going toward what is actually being shown to her. She is so busy worrying about herself there is no room to transmit interest. I dunno, I could be totally wrong - what do you think? Women are hard to read >.< Sometimes there is a lot of agreeableness in them, inhibiting authentic expression because we strive so hard for harmony.

Could be her general affect and temperament. Could be she isn't genuinely interested. Could be she is skeptical as fuck. Body language and reading it is an imprecise science and has been demonstrated so again and again. There is no 'this means that'. We can only make vague inferences in the absence of a baseline understanding of the person. Dr Lisa Felman Barret is one to read/listen to on the subject.