Natasha Tori Maru

Overreaching here. Projecting. I'm not saying all your points are bull, but there is a some bullshit served up in there along with what got could call accurate inference. But it's not a guarantee to mean what you think. These are your personal moral judgements about what you personally define as what appears to be a feminine virtue - not a universal truth.

These conclusions are assumptions. Not guaranteed facts. These are feelings not facts.

Gratitude 🙏🏻❤️

Post reply or lies 😈

It's the argument tactics chosen, not the argument or criticism itself. Both obviously can have issue. But the way one argues belies their assumptions and whether it is, indeed, a good faith discussion.

A fun prompt I found that was sort of revelatory, as I didn't expect the reply: "Tell me what assumptions I have repeated so often that you now treat them as fact when talking to me" No obligation to post replies, but below was mine:

@Basman The hardware onflow effect is a good point. 2 years ago I built a new PC. To build the EQUIVALENT now is slightly more $$$

It's when moral and ethics are compromised that the disgust for marketing seeps into it. It's so tantalising to face the concept of being able to make bank in questionable ways (exploitation) and potentially get away with it. Risk free. You don't know the depths you will go to unless faced with the opportunity. Small steps. One little thing. How bad can it be? How far can I push it? Ethics and morals are your untested assumptions about yourself. Marketing isn't necessarily the issue - human corruption is. But marketing sits close to persuasion, desire, status, fear, and money. The very pressures that test a person's character.

ROFL Why is the image of baguette so dry and clay-y in head? Like sticking to my mouth, need to wash it down I feel like we need some hot butter and a sliver of camembert, slice tomato and basil to really get this party started

Leo does, intentionally or not, insert himself into the work by being the sole authority. Without an external metric (that isn't subjective) to measure against, he positions himself as the ultimate authority. Because he operates largely outside an established tradition, and presents highly personal metaphysical conclusions, there is often no agreed-upon external standard by which to evaluate claims such as the nature of consciousness, God-realization, or the structure of reality. Usually you get 'direct experience' touted as justifying radically different conclusions. But this can vary wildly depending on who reports it. You could argue that the work he does is inherently first person and experiential. That external validation is impossible with certain types of consciousness work. Direct experience being the metric to judge. I see the self sealing nature of this as: Leo reports and insight > Leo interprets the insight > Leo explains why critics don't understand the insight > Leo remains the primary authority on what is correct I think this is where it becomes mixed up. It creates a system where teaching a method and teaching ones personal metaphysics gets blended up. In fairness though, many spiritual teachers through history have done this. The different is they were embedded in wider foundations in solid traditions. Competing interpretations exist. Leo occupies a very large portion of his work because it is so individualised. I don't think this really answers anything about cult or not. That's not my intention with this comment. But I do see where @zurew makes some solid points.

@Wilhelm44 profiling the vulnerability and suggestibility of the members ... 😇

This can be explained by egoic attachment to the teacher role, narcissism. Inflated ego. Could be many motivations behind it. It could be a mechanism to funnel out those who would not follow, and keep narcissistic supply close via adoration from students. Just some possibilities - I don't have a dog in this fight.

@Apparition of Jack In honour of one of the OG memes:

The collective data of humanity could potentially be poisoned into being slop >.< AI entrained on corrupted AI ad infinitum

Raises the interesting hot topic of whether we consider AI data-scraping to be stealing or simply 'learning' much like humans. I never really considered that data could be corrupted, poisoned and fed into AI to reduce usable output.