Natasha Tori Maru

Looks like more women are coming forward now. Path of destruction.

Yes exactly! Half the reason I normally have these discussions over voice chat with lovely people who enjoy these types of conversations. Open dyadic discussions where the answers might not be arrived at, as much as we are simply involved in a state of wonder and not knowing.

@Majed Do you think using a partner as a form of status hierarchy can be conformity?

Good questions that I often bang my own head against. I don't have answers readily available. But I will ask: When you say we might not be ready for the responsibility that follows on from recognition - do you mean we might fear losing our individuated identity and structures that protect us? Or do you mean genuinely recognising interconnectedness, oneness, unity which makes it increasingly more difficult to live selfishly? The distinction between ones own wellbeing and the wellbeing of others becomes less... psychologically convincing. I normally find these sorts of discussions end up hinging around the integration aspect. Having that "recognition" meaningfully transform one's behaviour, relationships and responses to life. Integration is the unique part of the experience there is no map for, because it so often comes down "working out the lumps in our gravy" that are unique to our own conditioning. CAN enlightenment overcome incentive structures and biology?

You made a personal judgement about my background and privilege. Don't try to wiggle away from this. Make no mistake, I am not perturbed here. But your interactions went from disagreement with me, to inferring I had some deficiency in understanding based on background. This is uncharitable.

I am not angry or upset. I am correcting you.

You have no idea where I came from, or how far I have come. You're assumptions are incorrect.

It can be from the woman's perspective. I wouldn't appreciate being used in such a way. I make it a point to avoid such men who play status games.

A woman can become a status symbol that can be valued more highly than the material possessions which typically demonstrate a man's status. Often underneath wealth acquisition is this uncomfortable truth... many men do not want to admit this. A woman's value can be reduced to what her presence communicates about the man. Using a woman's attractiveness for ones status is where the trouble lies. When she is used as a form of male status competition. Valuing a partners attractiveness isn't a problem as much as using the partner for status is.

Oh! He wants to play! I'll take the above and serve you one better: Is enlightenment something a person acquires, or is it the recognition of something that was never absent?

It is called glamour. Been around for eons.

Enlightened "person"? Presupposes there is a person there to gain "enlightenment"... great paradox

Gross. Not for me.

I'm okay with it. Provided there is less of Zendaya's one trick pony scowl face. I AM DISSATISFIED WITH THIS! face

@integral Agree. And yep there is some twisted shit in the manipulation of man and dog. There are some breeds that shouldn't exist. And continuing to breed them is abuse and wrong.