Natasha Tori Maru

I'm considering closing this. Is it going to go anywhere else, at this point? Any other mods can pitch in with their take.

@Joshe no thanks

Maybe the bridge was rebuilt

@integral Gotcha - it only has a snapshot contextually. With more data it might be different. Which rolls back to the narcissism armchair therapist talking point...

@integral This is really cool ! What are the colours pertaining too?

Oh! I get it. I didn't think you were married to your opinion, so my bad for assuming. I went down a line of enquiry to figure out under what circumstances you thought Leo might be able to change given your behaviour/fixed personality statements. I didn't realise the conclusion wasn't up for debate, even if I could decifer under what conditions change of personality is possible in your worldview

There are many missing data points, not the least of which is how Leo conducts himself in real life. Which is a larger data range than online posts in a microcosm. It would be a flaw to disregard real life data. I still think a reasonable inference can be made.

Itt : agism Don't you know this is a tend in the internet these days? 😃

I'm naturally very hesitate to use that label - I don't want to be an armchair psychologist (unless someone asks my opinion). At most I would claim someone fits a pattern. I think many people are overconfident in their understanding of pathologies and how they qualify for a diagnosis. On the internet at large. Reddit is so bad in particular.

@Joshe yep, thats why I really dove into asking you questions to make out what you were saying. Instead of jumping to conclusions - I asked you. I reread all my posts and what you quoted - can you really tell me you saw a clear accusation? Jumping to conclusions was the pattern I engaged in previously with you on the forum (historically), so I tried to alter that dynamic by going hard listening, providing alternate thoughts and then riffing off what you said. But centring in your perspective. You can just ask me next time!

@Joshe Did I l demand credentials? This is a factor that needs to be considered in diagnosis (if we were going to strengthen the claim to steelman). I may have phrased it otherwise - can you quote me please so I can check, that way I can avoid whatever offensive language was present? The second point regarding drama, I cannot find where I accused you of that, it was more a contemplative offshoot. Can you quote where I accused you of that directly, or if you thought it was indirect, how? I intentionally worded it so it wasn't directed at you, and I consciously recall that. Tons of users have thrown this discussion under the bus claiming it was drama, and the discussion with you promoted my insight into what constitutes drama as it applies here (vs actually trying to work out of this is a cult or not, or isolate real dynamics that contribute).

@Jirh Transhumanism is beginning... How do you think this will project into the future? Do you think there will be a split between humans who embrace more and more information, and those who reject and opt for more disconnection and more thorough critical thinking? I view the information overload as far surpassing our ability to filter it, leading to beliefs, bias and fallacious logic structures that weaken us as humans. With possibly terrible implications. Others have a much more optimistic outlook. Bit if a sidetrack on the topic, more me rubbing your brainz for juice lol

100% In some ways, I really enjoyed the slower pace of the lockdowns that rolled through during the pandemic. I went through a huge amount of spiritual learning and personal growth \ wisdom during that time. It also bolstered my closest relationships. Now everything has to be instant. No delay, no excuse. Emails, texts, messages, WhatsApp - on tap and connected 24 / 7 action, expedience as a basic expectation...

What are you basing that on?

@Joshe cool - and no you didn't state that overtly. I actually wanted to know if that was your claim. Otherwise I may have made an incorrect inference. Either I didn't see you state it earlier, or you didn't state it until now. Never said that. My questions were to make out your thoughts. You never asked if I thought there were some structures that were more immutable. There are. But claiming outright you think Leo is a narcissist works with the argument his structure is more rigid - so it's part of what you base your original statement on. My only thought there is that we cannot be certain of that point, although it's a reasonable one to make given evidence others have supplied. Therein lies the assumption (which I do not contest is a strong one or not, I merely was seeking clarity) See below. Not sure why the sarcasm either? I thought we were having a good discussion. Also I've made wrong assumptions about what you state in the past, I didn't want to make that mistake again ... Which is why the questions.