Natasha Tori Maru

For someone who submitted such a poor research thesis for his PhD, I cannot say I am surprised AI was used in such a lazy way with very little review (broken down in the video). I think the overall points Mike makes encourage much greater attachment to the physical body, and there isn't enough emphasis on "this body matters, so I will look after it". The issue isn't caring about the body - but making the body into the foundation of identity / value / psychological security. Similar crossover to some of the more problematic extreme views within the looksmaxxing movement (hardmaxxing). I don't think it is good to encourage our wellbeing, identity, worth or security to depend on our bodies being a certain way.

@aurum Cheers for the posts, I found them useful to separate out origin, truth and action rather than muddling them all together - If broken down I see that evolutionary history may provide part of the explanation (especially regarding paternity insecurity as a evolutionary hypothesis / explanation). Applied here that leaves two crucial questions "is the reaction accurate in this particular case?" and "should I act according to the reaction?" The last question there being crucial as it is a value judgement. Also: "I feel aversion" = "something is objectively wrong with her" is a non sequitur.

I hope we can assist those astray - I don't think blocking conversation would help with education (if locking the thread was the implication, it was sort of vague ). In the end when the belief has become part of identity it becomes a stubborn part of the complex. Sort of why my signature is what it is, and hasn't changed. C'est la vie

Yes - I was expanding on a point, not necessarily arguing its counter. Sometimes people post to add in an insight that may have been provoked or a differing view. I just don't think the only reason to learn something is because we are unhappy with some other aspect. It is an assumption this has to come from some place negative. What of wonder and curiosity as motivators? Enjoyment of the process of learning? Exploration? or integration - I might want to learn something not because I feel I have inadequate knowledge but to connect separate pieces and cross pollenate my mind... I think looking at this process of success in some domain (here, as learning) as born of negativity is a perspective and not found in direct experience because "unhappiness" is self generated as an internal friction. As an emotion within conscious beings. We could look at unhappiness further as "aversion" - but this is a different claim. Is a tree unhappy and expands up, grows leaves and photosynthesises because it is unhappy? I would say that is success (the tree gets to eat and feed itself via absorbing sunlight and transmuting it) but unhappiness is not required. Leo isn't always correct. I really critically assess his claims myself (as he wants us to do). Was "only" in his claim? I do not recall.

I'm aghast and utterly confused regarding this discussion. I don't think anyone is really comprehending what @Xonas Pitfall & @Valach are raising. I almost verge on recommending some sort of professional therapy or help for some of the members here regarding unconscious limiting views. I know this is for deaf ears. I can hope for healing though. Dehumanisation.

I think it would be distressing internally operating with the level of cognitive dissonance in OP thinking 🙁

Unfortunately this rests on incorrect judgement and the assumption I knew who he was when I happenchanced upon him. As stated above I don't get this read from other types of coaches in this field.

Doesn't relate to anything I added.

This could be an underestimation on how quickly women pick up on the most subtle queues. I don't get the same oddball read on other couches in this field like I do Owen. And they are speaking to men in their talks I watch also.

Do you think this would make a difference to my read?

From a womans perspective, Owen always gave me peculiar/odd vibes. Not in a good way.

@integral holy shit my man - I don't want you to do this. Your describe horrific suffering. I run under the total assumption you have reached out many times to medical institutions, and not found a solution? Please stay Is there any reason not to hope? ❤️ Please stay

There are two unresolved assumptions behind this for me: That the unhappiness was necessary. This is probably the biggest hidden assumption. Some other possibilities that might explain success or earned wisdom would be we learned a lesson through observation, someone else's experience, education, relatively painless feedback. That becoming wise was a “success.” Which is in itself a value judgement. How do you feel about these possibilities?

I used to feel unhappiness or negativity motived me. Negative inner dialogue was a powerful force in the first phase of my life. I was motivated through self evaluation. Now I do the things I do because. I just do them. A wisdom has been gained. The relationship I had to my actions became more powerful - I stopped judging or moralising how I acted and behaved. I still acknowledge and see where I transgressed, or made an error. But it comes from discernment now. Fear, worry, negativity, judgement, moralising (as a way to interact with my feelings, thoughts & behaviours) - they were necessary feedback mechanisms to assist in my growth. Initially, pain is an incredibly useful signal - it can tell us "this is dangerous; don't do this". Through repeated experience, we learn the pattern. We integrate the information. Eventually, we don't need to touch the fire and feel the pain every time in order to know that it's dangerous. The pain delivered the information but the wisdom makes the pain unnecessary. I think psychological growth can work the same way.

@Eskilon Haha, I can just picture you in the lotus position floating out of the INTP cave - golden light emanating while you proclaim "experience tranquillity!"