Natasha Tori Maru

I definitely did not receive your original words as seeing women as purely sexual objects. I reflected on your post and saw the wider pattern of both sexes viewing each other as objects 🙏🙃 You have an awesome perspective imo, as it relates across domains. Wholesome and always open to new concepts/perspectives. I agree regarding sex. It is much more fundamental than women want to acknowledge, in my opinion. I have strange views on this arena that most women hate me for - but I firmly believe women need to put effort into ensuring they are open, engaged and looking forward to sex with their man. It is a need for men. Just as emotional engagement is a need for women (from men). I consider it part of my responsibility in a relationship to ensure I am firmly in a 'sexy' mindset. The above - women feeling in the 'mood' for sex - and who is responsible for that, is an issue. Women need to take charge and prioritise sex and romance. Sometimes when I feel I am not in the mood (or ambivalent), I won't say no. Because I know if I surrender 99% of the time I'm going to love it! Like exercise. Sometimes I feel a bit tired at the end of the day. I sort of cannot be fucked. But I never regret it 😁 but this takes confidence, respect and firm boundaries to operate like this.

I might need some additional context to answer more cleanly; do you mean this from a romantic angle, or perhaps more broad as it applies to all relationships?

@Joseph Maynor @Ramasta9 I adore the sounds of birds and nature. The rich texture! I especially love when music is recorded in unusual settings; Led Zeppelin's When the Levee Breaks (recorded in a hallway with mics at the top of the stairs) and many of Fever Ray's recordings are performed outdoors. The soundstage is as full as the music, melody, rhythm and silence in between. Music is like a metaphor for the ontology of the universe to me. Beat. Space. Emptiness. Fullness. All at the same time. Both and none. The space that surrounds the music and how it is recorded is felt and sensed in such a visceral way. But this is just another element of music I enjoy. I always notice the space between sounds when out in nature listening to the river swim and birds sing.

@Eskilon probably viewing other people as tools to masterbate with, rather than living beings (outside of value providing), might help. I do not mean this exclusively regarding sex either. But this is against the current mainstream narrative (not saying you subscribe to this mentality 🙏). I think many people these days do not know how to have relationships. Family, sexually, mutually. We have inoculated ourselves against this knowing with modern technology & the insular bubbles around us it creates. Even the reductionary way people look at each other to provide some form of value exchange is pretty sad. To give and ask nothing in return. Motherhood teaches women this. But less and less women choose this sacrifice. Society is probably in process working out balance, with the pendulum swinging to extremes before settling to a balanced rest. Finding our feet, so to speak. I hope, at least. Perhaps I am the eternal optimist 😊

@Nick_98 wtf this is deranged 💀🤣

Let's just throw away our sovereignty. Sounds good!

It's this crazy independence epidemic, as a core element. Independence is the new definition for what it means to be healthy and empowered. This isn't necessarily true; you are still fully engaged in a social system, benefiting from the collective. Nothing about an extreme is healthy. We won't always BE independent. We WILL need help, eventually, or at points on our lives. As you age up this becomes clearer and clearer. This is healthy. Needed. Women need to make space for men in their lives. They need to learn to accept the abundance and providing a man can bring; and not view it as a threat to their safety. Not view it as control (financial, physical etc). This is a tough lesson in balance. When this balance isn't had you see men giving up due to women cucking them and killing their natural masculinity. I see many women these days completely uncomfortable with simply receiving a compliment from a man.

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https://youtu.be/1LzBXe9--oM?si=ZXNgYxq5BoTJsPXo

Yeah, hardmaxxing is where it steps into cope territory. Overinvesting in one area is never a good strategy. You want to get past the character selection screen to actually play the game.

@Joshe your words ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ Plus a whole bunch more assumptions and inferences.

Exactly 😈 Always what we claim is something others do, as a judgement/denial, is usually precisely what we also do, unconsciously and unclaimed, within ourselves.

Of course it is worth it. The mistake many make is that it accounts for all domains of attraction. Looksmaxxing is nothing new. The name is just a rebrand of what women have done - forever The previous term for this was a 'metrosexual' man.

Your OP simply is not describing spirituality. It is describing something else. You have to throw away everything. The seeking. All of it. Spirituality. Truth. Else it becomes another ground. /End thread

This is a belief of yours. I call it so because you have no concrete evidence to claim the whole community is unconscious of this. Even this dialogue, where users can see what you point at, proves otherwise! Wiser words would be 'there are large groups of members of this community who .......' You tend toward black and white thinking, I have seen. Assumptions and inferences do that.