Natasha Tori Maru

Well said @Lila9 Which is all good - you brought clarity to your meaning when I pushed you for it. Which I thank you for. This is why we engage in dialogues. I am not saying you are wrong, your thinking is wrong. Nothing like that. It is just how humans read and interpret language & meaning psychologically. If we are trying to communicate something, meaning isn't inherent. It needs to be clarified. Even words do not have any meaning at all! Light. It could mean light weight, light sleeper, light from the sun, turn of the light (electrical globe). Offence can only be taken - I do not mean offence when I point out language terms and phrasing used. I do it so that I can better understand your position - and so that all the users can understand it also

@AtmanIsBrahman Here we go. ANOTHER ONE. Elitists all crawling out of the woodwork. Twisting spirituality to apply to their transcendent taste Let me guess - ITS POETRY? I actually adore hip-hop, though

ITT music elitism >.> <.<

Do you have an eidetic memory? Or been tested?

SLEEP TOKEN?! 🤮

@Carl-Richard Which is fair I think - you simply presented evidence with no argument and Leo acknowledged. There doesn't necessarily need to be any trauma to therapize - but there is some conditioning there that Leo has noted, to be worked on. It is like my own predisposition to projecting that everyone is as strong as me, and when they show weakness or fall short I can be really savage and judgemental. But that is my issue for thinking everyone is as capable and will thrive under pressure. Shit I need to work on.

Hell yeah! we LOVE a monkey poo-flinging session! Huehuehuehue @Carl-Richard Legs right through the meat mincer - nice and jelly like. Hill sprints in that ride though - for the quads to turn into cancerous tumors of muscle >.<

Thing is - I do agree with a lot of your opinion (not all, but a lot). I disagree with wording it in a way that generalises all men with absolutes, and then you claiming that if someone has good faith they will 'know what you mean'. Which is the only reason I point out you have to take responsibility around using correct phrasing and terminology - if you want to open up a good natured dialogue rather than a shut-down session.

Hey! Leo has shit on metal lovers on these forums - HE CAN TAKE THE HEAT Love you Leo

@Lila9 You are still dodging responsibility around your wording. But I can see your mind is made up and you are quite attached to your mode of being. Godspeed.

True true - which also says nothing about it being good or bad per se - just a matter of application and preference

Sure, do as you will. But you are communicating in an attempt to try to get something across. You can choose to disregard advice. Just as I can choose to dispense. By stating : It implies men suffer less, even if you did not explicitly state it. 'Not equal' is setting up a comparison. Perhaps it wasn't intended to come across this way. It is good to clear this up. Your previous wording was doing something else. No one said to be quiet? This is an open forum for discussion.

@Lila9 I am pointing out your language is shooting you in the foot. There's data showing the patterns aren't symmetrical. The data simply shows the distribution and expression of harm differ. It doesn't say one gender's pain matter more. It doesn't say one genders suffering is greater. Suffering isn't just one narrow thing. In this case, if you want to make a more coherent statement, you will need to define suffering and how you are measuring it. Which is a hard philosophy question with no simple answer. Philosophy of measurement and ethics.

Music is an opportunity to access feelings, enhance or lower cognition and engage in heightened states. It has always been spiritual for me. I enjoy all sorts of music. I use simple tones and hymns while at work. Singing bowls etc. Any other sort of complex music will detract from my focus. I will sit and listen to an album in full, eyes closed. Even if it is not my typical taste - I will still give it a full go for the experience. I find I can enjoy almost any musical genre and style. I can always look for elements of it, harmony, syncopation, rhythm, melody etc to pick out. I also love listening for each instrument. Overall I love good composers. Soundtracks to movies and games really grab me. I enjoy Leo's music, but it does not hold my attention and there isn't enough mastery, composition or engineering in it to entertain my mind to sit through it without attending to something else like knitting, weaving, drawing etc. As an example I went on a 30km mountain bike ride this morning listening to Lateralis by Tool. The music hit me so hard I broke all my timelap records on that trail. The adrenalin gave me a lot of power on the hills - precisely from the excitement and chills from the music. Overall music to me is an opportunity to reach the sublime.

@Lila9 You might have good intentions here - but it is wrong to minimise the suffering of others by comparison. There are evils on both sides. Just because, in your perspective, misogyny is more damaging, does NOT mean that men do not suffer with the same depth and pain as women. You can NEVER compare suffering in this way. I feel it is very wrong to reduce and invalidate pain. It ISN'T okay to dismiss male directed harm. In addition your wording is skewing your intent 'Misogynists... always seek to use women'. This is broadly generalising. It shifts from describing a subset of behaviour to implying something is inherent and consistent. This may not be your intent - but it IS in the language you chose to use. 'Average dude' implies misogyny is the norm for men. Another sweeping claim about an entire gender. While this isn't exclusively about men, in this context it does move towards associating male-dominated spaces with hypocrisy and hostility. Do not associate men with predatory or illegal sexual behaviour in this harmful, generalised way. Even though this is framed as satire or insult, it is a strong defamatory generalization and is showing a lot of hostility. The way you phrase your arguments, if you want to really engage in a dialogue without polarizing an entire gender against you, is to stop using absolutes, mind-reading, and group wide framing that is turning criticism of behaviour into condemnation of men as a category. You are weakening your own argument by doing this. I think you want to engage with people in a reflective manner - but you are simply going to trigger defensiveness. I have suffered physically and mentally at the hands of men. I have TBI and was put in hospital. But this was just one dude who did this. Men didn't do this.