Natasha Tori Maru

@LordFall You have a solid amount of life experience and attending to what is relevant and highest priority - so this naturally means you have the wisdom to know when to stop, when to pivot and reallocate resources and when diminishing returns take effect. When we reach this stage of development - these ingrained good habits become so natural to us, it can appear to be simple & intuitive. But when you take the lid off and approach from a less experienced persons mindset - there are many aspects to consider that mean that one size doesn't fit all. And peril can be close without critical thinking. Really questioning and critically analysing a method or concept helps others find where they personally align with a subject. tl;dr Expertise / experience often squishes complexity down into intuition. But that intuition is built on countless judgments, mistakes, and refinements that newer people haven't yet learned and internalized. Critical analysis helps fill the gap, rather than simply asking others to trust the conclusion. And taking on some conclusion without thinking is one of the largest pitfalls in modern society.

Is it straight forward? How far do you take this? Does everyone need to value this? Where are diminishing returns taking affect? How does substance work into this? How do you know your potential? What markers indicate when you cap potential? What are the limits to just appearance having an effect on reality? Does this affect anything other than base impression and treatment? How do you qualify it's direct, causative affect on outcome? What does it affect? How long for? What is this doing psychologically, if potential is limitless? When does seeking become anxiety? How do you know when to stop? How do you determine how much effort to put in? How much resources should go to this endeavour? I can think of more. So, is it straightforward? Love the process. Not the outcome. Otherwise it's an endless desire loop that can breed dissatisfaction with the now. With being.

@Jodistrict appreciated 💫🙏🏻

I do shit (shit#1) - then shit (shit#2) occurs afterwards. Shit#1 and Shit#2 appear to be associated. But in reality, all I can say is one shit is happening then another. I am making a connection between the two shits - via inference - up in my head? I got to this based on determinism / free will and reviewing this thread: Confused with free will I don't think I can say anything else other than "I observe some pattern of shit, some regularities of said shit, and some sequences of shit" Correct me if I am wrong - but I am making this connection up?

@Sugarcoat right, so then I riffed off your point 😃

Armchair psychology.

Ever noticed that once you are aware of something, when you care less about it - you get better at it? The concept of "maxing" is the flaw. An endless striving loop. Awareness is all you need, but giving too many fucks is going to trap you in an anxious loop from hell. Not to mention, no one is attending to what @Sugarcoat raised: by telling yourself you need to become or be or do something to get "it" (whatever it may be, in this case, being good looking) - you are actually reinforcing you are not it. Not good looking, need to be. It's no secret looks matter. But maximizing? Endless striving? "Maxing" is the issue. It's a warning this can slide into bad things. Not for all. Not always. Be be aware. Looks optimising. Cool. Watch attachment to the material. It's the human fallacy of "more is better" that can be smuggled into the concept. I say, watch out for that!

@LordFall Women have engaged in looksmaxing for millenia. It's a substantial part of their interactions with each other. And consumer culture. My point is - this isn't new. It's not revolutionary. The majority of people don't "avoid talking about it"

Let's take it seriously!! https://youtu.be/WLsHZznqrMY?si=_ZNuG_SCWz1oKPs6

E X A C T L Y excellent lesson, glad to be of assistance 😃

@AtmanIsBrahman I am saying it genuinely appears you are assuming others don't know looks effect how others perceive you. Do you think emphasising this is for the good? What could it be achieving that is negative? What positive? What do you think are long term issues?

You've been pushing this narrative for a while. It could possibly appear as if the assumption is we do not know.

Hashimoto's. I am lucky to, otherwise share @Elliott's experience. But two of my close family members have motor neurone disease. It's hard.

This is salient. There are tons of negatives to aging. Even if we drum up a list (which would be easy, imo) I sort of wonder what sort of weight each point would carry against your statement above (personal for everyone). Because it moves toward a sort of equanimous peace and gratitude based state of being. Which isn't guaranteed either, but powerful. Man, the pain of getting old. Like, literally pain - that gets me. I think it is short sighted putting too much weight on the aesthetics of aging as a negative. It's mostly done by those who are too young to yet feel their health erode and pain arise. Idgaf about saggy tits if my basic existence is punctuated by pain and suffering. Poor health / chronic medical issues. Quality of life is priority for me, over longevity.

Can you brainstorm up some good things about aging?