Natasha Tori Maru

I wonder if Mike had this in mind when he wrote the book The Penis Has Entered Its Filler Era I love me some snark 😈

Hell yeah - I've been into weights, running, cycling etc for 22 years. As long as you approach with intensity, vary and challenge the body and do cardio and weights you'll be firing on all cylinders. That's 22 years of habit. It's so reflexive I don't think I just do it before I even realise I started. Like getting in the car to go to work or grabbing tp on the toilet, you unconsciously just do it. I'll say though it's sensible to have a balanced wholefood plant based diet with plenty of healthy fats. You can get by on basics, but if you balance and research your needs you can feel a great difference when you get it right. Especially fats. Mind calories and hit protein goals. And chew your food motherfuckers! A lot ! Your boating will go away 😄

This is so weird. You have such a strange take on me based on your seperate beliefs and narratives. I just don't care about all these things. I know some of your values are status and acceptance (external approval). I can only guess you are projecting these onto others (and myself). I suspect I operate so far our of your paradigm you struggle to make sense of me. Owen is so far away from anything I would want, desire or be satisfied with. You are also constantly telling me how I feel and think in your posts. It's weird man.

For someone who submitted such a poor research thesis for his PhD, I cannot say I am surprised AI was used in such a lazy way with very little review (broken down in the video). I think the overall points Mike makes encourage much greater attachment to the physical body, and there isn't enough emphasis on "this body matters, so I will look after it". The issue isn't caring about the body - but making the body into the foundation of identity / value / psychological security. Similar crossover to some of the more problematic extreme views within the looksmaxxing movement (hardmaxxing). I don't think it is good to encourage our wellbeing, identity, worth or security to depend on our bodies being a certain way.

@aurum Cheers for the posts, I found them useful to separate out origin, truth and action rather than muddling them all together - If broken down I see that evolutionary history may provide part of the explanation (especially regarding paternity insecurity as a evolutionary hypothesis / explanation). Applied here that leaves two crucial questions "is the reaction accurate in this particular case?" and "should I act according to the reaction?" The last question there being crucial as it is a value judgement. Also: "I feel aversion" = "something is objectively wrong with her" is a non sequitur.

I hope we can assist those astray - I don't think blocking conversation would help with education (if locking the thread was the implication, it was sort of vague ). In the end when the belief has become part of identity it becomes a stubborn part of the complex. Sort of why my signature is what it is, and hasn't changed. C'est la vie

Yes - I was expanding on a point, not necessarily arguing its counter. Sometimes people post to add in an insight that may have been provoked or a differing view. I just don't think the only reason to learn something is because we are unhappy with some other aspect. It is an assumption this has to come from some place negative. What of wonder and curiosity as motivators? Enjoyment of the process of learning? Exploration? or integration - I might want to learn something not because I feel I have inadequate knowledge but to connect separate pieces and cross pollenate my mind... I think looking at this process of success in some domain (here, as learning) as born of negativity is a perspective and not found in direct experience because "unhappiness" is self generated as an internal friction. As an emotion within conscious beings. We could look at unhappiness further as "aversion" - but this is a different claim. Is a tree unhappy and expands up, grows leaves and photosynthesises because it is unhappy? I would say that is success (the tree gets to eat and feed itself via absorbing sunlight and transmuting it) but unhappiness is not required. Leo isn't always correct. I really critically assess his claims myself (as he wants us to do). Was "only" in his claim? I do not recall.

I'm aghast and utterly confused regarding this discussion. I don't think anyone is really comprehending what @Xonas Pitfall & @Valach are raising. I almost verge on recommending some sort of professional therapy or help for some of the members here regarding unconscious limiting views. I know this is for deaf ears. I can hope for healing though. Dehumanisation.

I think it would be distressing internally operating with the level of cognitive dissonance in OP thinking 🙁

Unfortunately this rests on incorrect judgement and the assumption I knew who he was when I happenchanced upon him. As stated above I don't get this read from other types of coaches in this field.

Doesn't relate to anything I added.

This could be an underestimation on how quickly women pick up on the most subtle queues. I don't get the same oddball read on other couches in this field like I do Owen. And they are speaking to men in their talks I watch also.

Do you think this would make a difference to my read?

From a womans perspective, Owen always gave me peculiar/odd vibes. Not in a good way.

@integral holy shit my man - I don't want you to do this. Your describe horrific suffering. I run under the total assumption you have reached out many times to medical institutions, and not found a solution? Please stay Is there any reason not to hope? ❤️ Please stay