Natasha Tori Maru

Yeah, exactly. Like any medication it has pros and cons. If the benefits of taking the medication outweigh the cons (ie one is so fat that metabolically they are facing immediate issue with diabetes, cardiovascular strain and fatty liver etc) then taking the medication is going to help, despite the drawbacks of muscle/bone loss. None of these weight loss drugs replace regular exercise and healthy balanced diet. They just help you get out of the shit until you are in a better place to address other areas of life. I am not sure on this but I think the weight comes back when you get off the drug? Don't quote me on that. GLP1 agonists just prove that people cannot put down the fork (for whatever reason that may be).

Perhaps it would be like.... torturing yourself to death huehuehue sry back on topic I couldn't help it

All the best questions IMO. We love contemplating the ontology of a cup, but won't touch an emotion or feeling. All contractions of different forms. I practice extensive body scanning when investigating emotions and feelings.

In my understanding most of what people think is anger arises from another base - fear (and its associated emotions). Fear is the delusion of the self/ego. Many adore delving into intellectual / thought pursuits - and refuse to even investigate feelings and emotions. I believe anger is used as a loose term for a whole host of emotions and feelings many do not have nuance in detecting and expounding on (and that aren't in fact anger at all, when we inspect them closely). I do not know many who delve into their inner emotional world and approach feelings and emotions from an ontological lens. Prefacing that! - it could be simply the bias on this forum I think to proceed further we must dive into anger and how we each define it - I think this could be where confusion lies. Pure anger, in my worldview, phenomenologically often contains; aggression, aversion, heat, attack energy and a desire to push/resist/destroy the obstacle. Fear, urgency, protectiveness, moral clarity, frustration, upset, grief, consternation, confusion, nervous system activation, assertiveness, sadness, anxiety, shame, embarrassment, overwhelm, hunger, exhaustion, pain or discomfort. All of these sensations, feelings and emotions can act as a base for anger to arise from, or be wrongly mislabelled as anger. And I witness in my experience and would argue most people mislabel all of these complex, subtle contractions as anger. Passive aggressive behaviour arises from hidden forms of anger like sarcasm, deliberate procrastination or being chronically late. Oppositional defiant type behaviours. Self harm behaviours can also be another result of anger. Anger is NOT: clear perception, discernment, decisive action, fierce compassion, boundary enforcement. These all exist without the psychological contraction of anger. For example: I present an awakened teacher sharply correcting someone. This may externally resemble anger, but internally there may be no hatred, resentment, wounded pride, or personal grievance. Just clean intensity without aggression, attack or any desire to push/destroy etc. Moving toward the Buddhist type framing - Can there be aversion without a self-structure organising it?

But the assumption here is that these individuals do not have a self or ego? Anger is from attaching to the thoughts about spirituality. Attachment is from the self or ego. Criticism does not always carry anger.

@JoshB my stance isn't about suppressing or bypassing anger. I am 100% for allowing all emotion. My stance is that it originates from the self. If you must know, I have suffered mental and physical abuse/torture in the past. For years. I ended up with a TBI. I don't require compassion. I have processed the emotions that arose as a result.

As in, anger isn't from the self if you are abused?

This is my stance - ego/self origin. I haven't heard a compelling argument or example that suggests otherwise.

ROFL maybe thats what Peterson Academy really is 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Leo Gura $399 / yr now Started @ $450 / yr Raised to $500 then $600 yr for one year then dropped back to $399 So probably a bit more not too shabby in the old pocket 🤑

Heh. I'm subscribed to the YouTube channel with notifications on and I still do not get notified when new videos are released. So there's that horseshit happening.

I do not know how many courses they have. But they hiked the price with nothing new to present. Maybe it started as a good faith earnest idea - and then slowly acted as the good old grift funnel that feels so familiar

I agree - but it is hearsay - with some direct quotes of what Mikheala said which was poor conduct IMO. People can be calm and rational after the fact, but that group-think conformity shit humans do, can incite frenzied drama when people back each other. They may have had legit criticism, and they may have been responsible for inciting shit. There was an upvote/downvote system encouraging the snowballing. I always think bullshit and the truth arrive together 🥲

That Conner call was a serious rebuke that needed to be doled out.

There was inconsistent policy around pricing - AFAIK Peterson Academy promised certain features. They raised prices without delivering the additional features twice from ~ $450 (original) to $500 to $600 in a year. Students asked for a timeline of delivery for new features corresponding to the price increases. There wasn't a clear response, and the community raised general issues around moderation, lack of clear conduct rules and claims that instead of an alternative University experience, the whole thing was turning into a paid premium lecture subscription service. The two women in the interview were expelled for questioning pay structure, service delivery, and participating in discussions around problems in the community/academy and potential solutions. One of them took issue to Mikheala apparently commenting to 'work harder and get a better job' when members raised issue with pricing increases twice in a year. Their criticism as they reported it seemed fair and justified IMO - supporters of Peterson Academy claimed they were creating negativity and trouble making. They didn't come across as burned left wingers with an axe to grind. Just left with 'wtf' after the experience.