Natasha Tori Maru

You can say that it is obvious - but your initial statement wasn't clear. I would say it also relies on women being able to bear children as well as raise them. I don't care if what you say is new or not. Cheers for clarifying 🙏🏻 So, they rely on each other for survival. And each have their own part to play as providers. One cannot be "more of a provider" than the other without making effort quantifying this for each sex.

How are you quantifying "needed for survival" here? I think it's a false comparison. You can't really decouple men and women in terms of needs like this. I don't think survival can be measured independently like that for each sex. I don't think this holds for all contexts.

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You are certainly living up to your name! Great wonder seeking - can't wait until you pop in with some insights after this trajectory change 😁

Very much so. I always look at these sorts of charged discussions in retrospect to juice out what I can do better. How it went wrong. How we can present ourselves and our arguments in a more neutral way. Offense generally appears to be produced by content, framing, timing, and the listener’s identity and context.

In the spirit of good discussion - here is my thesis What about the cost of living and providing for a family, and how this may factor in to birth rates? How do you think modernity (dare I say, capitalism), with it's atomisation of our living (possible to order in almost all we need, smaller families, more appliances, less reliance on anyone else, isolation) affects our psychologies, mental health and cost to maintain such an existence? The degradation of community as a result of atomisation means we rely on others less. No trade. No communal assistance. Smaller families to assist. Third spaces disintegrating. This is forfeit - and our cash and money now replace what community provided. We use our resources to supplant what we used to get from neighbors, friends, strong bonds with larger families. Ever since the wars, when society put women to work, a new labour force was discovered. Capitalism has benefited greatly from this; when the wars ended, women remained working as a new labour force. Women benefited from this. It was a natural progression; we gained economic independence, career opportunities, greater freedom and protection from dependance on a spouse. But there are many systemic unintended consequences to the above. The dual income trap arose; Housing markets and living standards adjusted upward around this new reality. Households that live on one income are priced out. I would argue it is this modern 'atomisation' that is, also, artificially causing a divide between men and women, which is acting as a red herring for the real problem: runaway capitalism. Men and women face different tensions as a result. Men historically derived meaning from provision, protection, family leadership, skilled labour, community status etc. This role has changed with modernity. Women face a different set of issues; expectation to build a career, maintain financial independence, raise children, maintain relationships, manage the house etc. Everyone works harder, we all feel less secure. This doesn't mean women working is the problem, but more that institutions probably haven't adapted that well to a world where all adults participate in the labour market. Social media rhetoric likes to cement itself right in the middle and leverage this pressure by creating men vs women dialogues. It's a red herring for the real problem. Depression, hopelessness, stress, meaninglessness result from the above. The future looks bleak - it's no wonder birth rates are falling in first wor;d countries Poorer counties simply do not suffer from this laceration from community and atomisation. They retain community. Family. Bonds between each other. Positively affecting mental health and happiness. They have yet to face the new systemic problems we do, as first world countries.

It's delicious

More drama here than I have between all the women in my life. And men aren't as emotional as woman? HA!

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@Elliott 🙏🏻

Let's go back to some insane mind parasite reductive beats 😁😁😁

@Eskilon how intriguing about the sleep! My need for sleep has shrunk as I have traversed the path further and further. But it was gradual. Sometimes large insightful breakthroughs released so much energy in my body I COULDNT sleep for a time properly, too

Like a decoupling of attachment to desires and aversions that you now view as no longer serving you? Suddenly, the effects are made clear?

Fuck I know, I saw this too. I'm seeing it tonight RIP my hopes and dreams. The shredded tatters of the last of my passions.... 🤣

Good sir. I will 🙏🏻