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Same with me, hence I always put meals before relax time in my schedule. I also only eat light meals if I have to do work later on.

The nature of an illusion is to never be there in the first place. You can't question an illusion because it's never even there by definition.

You can't really feel rationally or logically. Closest you get to that is like, conducting or observing or learning about your feelings using systems thinking. A better name of 'Systems Feeling" would be just "Living from the heart". In which you feel various systems of life, which you distinguished using your systems thinking skill. That way you distinguish between how your heart feels about something vs. how your head thinks about it. Then you can merge them together later on,

I have a feeling this applies to realizations as well. And the "It's indescribable" is just an excuse. I have had realizations too that I can't describe to someone who hasn't had them, and also ones that I can't describe to someone that have had them(Because I can't tell they have had them.). But I have a feeling that's just because I don't understand it deeply enough to be able to communicate it. Maybe if understood deep enough, one could communicate it to people without using language.

@Jacobsrw @Consilience Thing is, I said in the post that maybe we could communicate it without language. I never said about communicating through language exclusively. What if you understand it enough to directly deliver it without the use of language? Even when explaining something with language, you never give the understanding to someone ofcourse, they realize it themselves as they are their supreme authority. Only difference between a good and bad explaination is relative to the one explained. If the one explained is guided most efficiently according to him/her, then it's a good explaination. What this means is that every person takes their 'path' to any kind of understanding, and a good teacher is 'good' not because they know how to know about a topic, but rather ways you DONT know the topic. Because if you are familiar with HOW one doesn't understand something, you can guide them easily. But since I am talking about understanding God(the teller and knower and the known), what if understood deep enough, you know exactly how to take someone to enlightenment without even using language. Bcz you understand the mechanisms of how most humans don't get it, and also how the unique ways the individual doesn't get it too. (I mean this is what we try to find when trying to tell something everytime). I know I am speculating but like, this logic is what me got to speculating about this in the first place. And specially because I have also heard people directly delivering realizations or 'making it easier' through energetic initiations etc.

It was around 3AM, I was contemplating God and Love, I can't and don't want to describe the entire process but, I ended up at a place where I understood reality is truly ALONE. And that, THAT is what love is. But that was so short lived, but.... Beautiful. I saw that for about 2-3 seconds, and I cried like a baby, literally. My face formed like I did when crying as a child, and made loud noises and tears fell from my eyes. But that was about for only 3 seconds, that reaction actually caught me off gaurd and that's why I wasn't able to sustain that. I know that if I had to 'sustain' it then it wasn't really deep enough. Point of this post is, I want to get there again. I want to see the beauty again. I want to cry again. Update(not related to this post): So I was the guy who made "How do I kill myself" post some weeks ago. Since then I had been doing "I AM" meditations intensely. A week ago, after 2 hours of doing it(3:15 AM - 5 AM approx.), I finally got it. I can clearly see even now that I don't exist. To say that is still too much. At first I thought I was having some sort of disassociation thing but a post on quora about it comforted me. I don't need to kill my ego cuz it's a tool to survive. 'I' am already beyond it. What was shocking was that the character was the one shocked, not me. I have zero control. Thanks ya'll from this character!

Yes, but in that example, you understand the experience well enough to know how to communicate it. That is, to get a banana and feed the person. But with spiritual realizations, often times, it's hard to just deliver the experience. What I am saying is, if you understand deep enough, it might be possible that you can directly deliver the experience, even if momentary. I have heard stories of yogis pushing on the chest and delivering temporary realizations, therefore I speculated.

I was tackling with something similar last night. "Why would one want to save the world when it will solve itself out on its own one day anyways. Plus it doesn't even matter." what I got was this. Because everything is love, even greed or lazyness. You, naturally prefer more expanded forms of love like giving people what they ultimately want. It's not about you, or about them. It's natural.

My sister is 6 years old. She, being a kid, asks a lot of questions. They have gotten quite existential and I am not sure how to answer them. For eg. Just some hours ago before she fell asleep(currently 2:50 AM), she asked me, "How is a dog alive?" "How did we get here?" "How are you alive?" "Brother, I love you, but what does it mean to love?" Some other questions she has asked is, "How were we made?" "How are we able to eat?" I mean, how do I explain all this to her? I usually guide her attention to the fact that answers to external questions I can tell her, but for internal questions, she should find it out by herself internally because even if I told her answers to stuff like "How am I alive?" she wouldn't get it. I try to be as transparent in these kinds of things as possible. She has started to question stuff like this because she has seen me do it and I have asked her some stuff myself. But thing is, is this really the right way to do it? It seems good to me, but what do you recommend? Could this lead to some problems growing up. Seems to me that it's good to develop a sense of asking good quality questions.

Man I am on phone and idk how to get this embedd away, in my attempts I accidentally posted this with a test title, now idk how to delete this post. Sigh

Where can I find live energy transmissions?

Focus on 'I AM'

The face you make when you are enlightened: (Those who watched HxH know what I mean.)

Imo it's much more than that. And idk how your definations go but i think it's weird to put nirvana before self realization. Here's how I'd define it in simple terms. 1. Searching For The Ox - You searching for ultimate contentment in daily life without actually realizing it so you go after money, sex, power, fame, etc. Or you hearing about enlightenment and going for it loosely which is direct pursuit of the ox. 2. Seeing The Footsteps - Getting glimpses of something but not quite sure. Being very interested in philosophy because you see some value in it that you cant really pinpoint. (Your philosophy really being spirituality, but you do not call it spirituality because you dont like that .) Or maybe you do consider yourself spiritual and you are some buddhist monk who has been going at with meditation and have started to see something you are not quite sure. Tons of nuances. 3. Seeing The Ox - A mystical experience of any of the facets of awaking. Or multiple experiences. See how in this picture, there is only tail or a part of the ox shown? Because you rarely see it in full the first time. 4. Catching The Ox - Trying to be able to embody whatever you have realized fully. Like tryna embody self-realization/god-realization after initial seeing. 5. Taming The Ox - After you have embodied it, you keep going deeper and deeper into your understanding and awakening, 6. Riding The Ox Home - You embody even the deepest parts of those realizations. You know you do not exist, there's only God, but also are in a state of no mind. You let life truly unfold on it's own without any interference because you cannot interfere in the first place, This is state of pure bliss. As stated in the poem. End of suffering. Your biggest obstacle to knowing the full truth is bliss now, the opposite of suffering. 7. The Ox Transcended - True end of seeking. 8. The Ox & Self Transcended - Despite all your realizations and embodiments, there was still some percentage of self/ego left, maybe 0.0000000001% but it was there. Now it has gone completely. Even without you seeking, because once you have embodied those realizations, those realizations act as a flame that slowly melt away your delusions even without you trying. As stated in the poem "Could a snowflake survive inside a burning flame?". You understand God even deeper, passed the hurdle of bliss. Emptiness, nothingness. You probably cannot say anything about this emptiness at all. 9. Return To The Source - Grounding yourself back to earth. Coming back into the world. 10. Re Entering The Market Place - You do not preach, do not teach. You are so fucking enlightened that you can hand people realizations without any effort. In my definition of Nirvana, it is merging back into the source. So that'd be the death of your body. You cant have Nirvana or Mahasamadhi until your body is alive and kicking. Atleast that's my defination. Keep in mind my accuracy goes down from Taming the ox onwards. As taming the ox is as far as I can see lol. Also this is all mental masturbation without the work. We tend to project our journey and understanding of spiritualty onto the meaning of these stages, why? Because we want to be as high as we can in this 'model of enlightenment' to feel good about ourselves and then declare that to the world. Imo these stages have a fuck ton of nuances and go much deeper than what I said in this reply.

I have been 'seeking truth' for only about 1.5 years now and have come to see a very big problem. I cannot ever truly look for the truth. Thing is, everytime I tell myself that I want to know the truth, it is always because of some other underlying desire. Even my most honest attempts to know the truth was because I did not like suffering. I did not like being deluded. And that's the thing. I am never really looking for truth unless it benefits me somehow. Either to be less deluded or satisfy my curiosity. That is a very big problem because after our desires are fulfilled, we don't even think of looking further untill some new desire pops up. And we think we are done. So are we really seeking absolute truth or our desires? You could obviously desire to know the absolute truth in its entirety, but isn't that what God is already doing, trying to know it's infinity. So that desire itself would be similar to some desire that cannot be fulfilled. So I have found myself in quite a pickle here. I am always seeking a part of the truth to fulfill my desires. And I can ofcourse desire the end of my desires, and I might even eventually get there, but won't I stop seeking truth then? Seeking truth for the sake of truth is yet another desire. And I am not saying desire is bad or anything, but in my view, this means we never actually seek the truth, but our desires. What are your thoughts on this?

Krishna is a nice example but this leads me to believe that coral or beyond is not even about teachings anymore. Thing with Krishna is, in Hinduism there is a belief that there are infinite lokas (realms), and as you are able to astral project etc., you can transcend rebirth in Mrityu Loka(Death Loka, which is this realm). Or, you could get AtmaGyan(Self-realization) then BhamhaGyan(God-Realization) which would free you too. Now after that you could use your astral body to explore VishwaChitt(World Conciousness, Akashic Records, World Mind, etc.) which contains all the lokas. And if you are capable enough you could create your own loka and become a diety. You could also materialize in any Loka you want. Multiple at the same time if you wanted(The body you materialize isn't actually physical or material if you choose to not take birth but rather just materialize a body). Now this is all concepts and beliefs, but here's why I said all this. It is believed Krishna was the Godhead(Basically the highest entity), taking form in this Loka. That's why it is said Krishna's body was not material as well. This is one way of looking at it. So would stage coral be about transcending this Loka? Because if that'd be the case, it'd be a very individualistic approach, as thought of Stage Coral.

Focusing only on the direct experience and without thinking, staying still, penetrating deeper into existence. Kinda like having sex but with existence. second method which is easier for me is contemplation

@Sempiternity @Understander @Someone here @Kalo What yall said goes with what I am trying to say, you can never really seek the truth but your desire for it. The experience itself is end of you seeking the desire as what 'you got' was greater than the desire. You can say you seeking your desire for truth will lead to realization of truth, so ultimately you seek truth, but at the same time, you are technically always chasing desires until you are not. @SolarWarden Yeah

Someone define stage coral, my idea of it is too vague to contribute anything to this thread

Well, I can't do anything. It comes on its own. But the thing is, it only comes because there is a desire or intent to know. If it came without it, everybody would be god-realized.

I have been contemplating on what makes sound and movement different from silence and stillness respectively. But as I observe deeper and deeper, I cannot seem to find a difference between them. It's a mindfuck for me. When listening to music or someone talk, silence itself seems to define the sound. I couldn't interpret the sound if there was no silence. But I tried to focus on does silence actually follow the sound? And if silence does follow the sound, what is sound while it is happening. All I got when looking into this was a mindfuck. That sound IS silence, But then how can I differentiate between sound and silence if they are literally the same thing. I have no idea. It makes no sense, yet it does. Sound seems like a wave into awareness, that pops up and down in different frequencies. But even it is popped up, it is no different from silence. I have no idea how this is. Same with movement and stillness. Movement is literally just infinite amount of stillnesses. But even without that way of thinking, it still is equivalent to stillness. It lead me down a rabbit hole. I had to contemplate distance/space. I realized that I just imagine space/distance including the feel of it(Just like Time). And it's not just about me seeing technically 2D images through my vision. It's the fact that there is literally no difference between any sensation at all. Vision = Sound = Every Other sensation(Physical, emotional or mental like thoughts). And that vision and all sensations are happening at the same singularity which has no location and no dimensions to it. It's literally nothingness. I am imagining everything including myself, and the imagination itself is part of imagination. A strange loop. So it's not that everything is beyond space and time, there is literally no space and time. What the fuck?

I kid you not, saw this same type of flower bloom in my vision from top down during a very, very deep meditation into focusing on the "I AM". It was white and out of nowhere(literally), came this vision of it blooming. At the time I was very emotionally invested so I paid little attention. But I couldn't help but think "Some chakra opened maybe" which ruined the focus and I had to step down. But good to know that it may mean something nice.

Man I can relate with that experience. It feels like this is just it and you are done. It's a sudden realization which is multitudes higher than your current understanding and it fucks you up. For me it has been sudden breaks into the robotic flow of daily life and realizing, "."