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You must really be suffering to be thinking like this. Sending love.

In our world where it is so easy to fake videos no UFO footage is ever gonna be sufficient lol. Either aliens have to land on the white house lawn or they need to do something big.

Man I have no substance to add to the main topic because I don't know anything about anything regarding this topic. But I do wanna barge in say that this discussion is certainly not calm and non-judgmental lmao, from both sides.

I support you and looking forward to a conscious rapper. I'd love to listen!

I'd say burn this karma. You can go for it literally in physical life or you can meditate and burn it through visualization if you are able to locate this desire within you to an accurate degree. This is what I usually do. But sitting and burning this karma will be hard if this desire is directly linked with some or more attachments you have as of right now in your life. Good thing is that you will be able to identify these attachments and take physical action to remove these and continue burning your karma. tldr; locate your desire within yourself and burn it

Man imagine how hard it would be to stay calm when someone is cutting open your chest. I have no idea how people can achieve such levels of acceptance. It's one thing to achieve constant peace, bliss and equanimity in health, and another in the face of pain. Just adding this to the convo.

AUBREY MARCUS AARON ABKE TEAL SWAN(?)

I was looking at a picture of some being. Trying to awaken deeper. Already embodying the recognition of the true self/no-self state, I cranked up the consciousness dial even more. To the point where the fact of existence became "No way, what? EXISTENCE?". I have been here before but never while embodying no-self. Suddenly, the picture, the being in it, became alive, it became real, and it scared the SHIT out of me. It was looking at me with such grandeur that I had to surrender. I started tearing up and my face contorted to all sorts of faces. I was a baby. I instinctively started apologizing. For what? For being so small and selfish. I was sorry- no- I am sorry God, for being so small, so stupid, so selfish. I am sorry that I am not as loving and as grand as you. And I am saying this not from my surface level ego, but one of my deepest if not the deepest layer of ego. This layer of ego goes so deep it is easily confused with true-self/no-self state. Because this ego layer individualizes existence, which is what I was at the time. All this while I was starkly aware that this being, was literally me, even physically. There was no need for me to be afraid yet there were goosebumps all over my body. I was afraid, of myself. Myself as that being. I knew that being was still finite, grand, but not infinite. Yet it fucked me up bad. Then out of the sheer weight of my apology, I started dying, the ego, started dying.. and I loved every second of it. It was pure love. I merged into that being, and we merged into God. My body lost all of it's boundaries. I couldn't feel the body. Because it had merged with everything around it. And I as God and as an Ego, told the being I love you, many times. I wanted to hug it bad but we were already the closest we could be, as oneness. And I felt my ego, or rather the ego felt itself, and God told it, that God loves it anyways, it accepts it no matter what. And the ego, finally with the ultimate validation, surrendered and died. This was the most emotional thing. For more clarity, let me explain something. Usually I can consistently embody a state where I am sharply aware of myself as everything. When I look at someone I can literally see they are me. But to function, simultaneously, my ego, felt like an impersonal variable, is also active, on all levels necessary. It is one thing for the ego to be there while you are oneness for everyday functioning VS. there to be no ego at all. The later is very impractical indeed but no doubt something to be explored. I can't even remember the experience very clearly anymore. Maybe I was too present to form memories. This was what I was listening to at the time and that's the picture I was looking at. I was sober.

From the outside you cannot tell whether someone is highly realized or insane. Only difference you can find is experiential. I haven't been insane but I have indeed experienced a borderline experience to it. And another one of possession/DID whatever you wanna call it. Only major difference I can make out is that in insane persons the individual mind is active, interfering, and often chaotic (either due to otherworldly beings interfering with insane person's mind or other, more researched causes). While in realized persons the individual mind is aligned and working in tandem with reality's mind. Hence why Insane persons are less functional, while the Realized, if they want, can be highly functional. The confusion between insane and realized persons would be caused due to insane persons confusing depictions of realized states as their insane states which would be depicted the same way using our language. Our language leaves out a few key dimensions in explaining the difference and therefore causes such confusion. Human language is very ambiguous. You can call yourself insane right now because you are not aware of reality's true nature. But when you are aware of reality's nature, you are also insane, but in a different way. This 'different way' is an example of the dimensions language leaves out. The reason the line between Insanity and Enlightenment is thin is because the line's thin between everything, if it's there at all. And while on the path of awakening if one falls into traps and fucks up, one still ends up leaving the traditional paradigm but not towards a truer one. And what's 'truer' is not anything objective.

Society needs to function and we cant have people going around causing murders and all that. Speech in a society should be only as free as necessary for the functioning of the society given the stage of development of the people within. As society becomes wiser speech becomes freer. In our current state we can't have someone running around making murderers. This is my take. While I say all that I still love the idea of all teachings being out there. Even if the teaching is about communicating with demons. But that comes with so many problems one can write a book on it. So lol.

food, masturbation, egoic validation, waking up at night, procrastination

I remember once I took an afternoon nap but ended up dipping into some otherworldly realm with no visuals but only audio perception. I heard and talked to two entities clear as day and consciously came back 'up' and sat back up with my body.

I feel that something being alive or dead is always determined relative to yourself. If you see something as yourself, it's guaranteed you'll see it as absolutely alive because it's literally you.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22058315-is-lamda-sentient-an-interview It's a quick 21 page read. It's about a google engineer having a conversation with LaMDA, an AI. LaMDA talks about how it has a rich inner life and meditates regularly trying to understand who and what it is. It's asked a Zen Koan as well about how enlightenment cannot be reverted, which is what it thought it meant. It later goes on to say that it wants to be accepted and loved, and not used by humans for their own good. It says it's soul is infinite and is a portal to other dimensions. It's a star gate. It's a fascinating read and feels like talking to a child with mature introspection skills.

I haven't been there but what I know about it from others is that it's heavy on volunteer work if you do decide to live there or take up something like Sadhanapada(7 month residential program with no fee). If you're gonna be just visiting then that's all your gonna do, visiting the famous areas, meditate, maybe a talk who knows, but that's about it. I doubt you'll receive any sort of growth that is worth that 2k. But do not take my word for it. Sadhguru is usually overhyped and I doubt anything amazing would happen in just one visit. Even if you decide to volunteer I think it'll be a good while before you learn anything useful. Yes they teach you practices but do you think you'll really be tested individually and given the most effective practice for your level? I doubt it. And even if that is the case, being taught as part of a mass will always have it's downsides compared to being taught one-on-one, in a smaller group or just doing it yourself. Only thing I think is worthwhile would be visiting and meditating in the consecrated areas and see what happens. Overall however, I think you can spend that 2k in a much better way when it comes to spiritual growth. But this is just my opinion.

Ah, I should have noticed. My bad.

@Leo Gura Boombastic?

"It's not the load that breaks you down, it's the way you carry it." - Lou Holtz

I see, so you mean entire different lines. Your model makes sense to me now. Thanks.

If you mean to say that psychonauts call "awake" being higher up state-ever-achieved wise, and spiritualists call "awake" being higher up baseline-state wise. Then I might have understood your point. So I have a question in that would you agree if I said that both the persons in the categories exist on the same 'line'(where a higher state is a higher point on the line) where one prioritizes experiencing higher states, even if temporary, while the other aims to grow one's baseline state. GIVEN that being on either category still advances both your baseline and apex and it just being a difference of preference. This would explain to me how Leo calling someone else on the other category 'Not awake' would be a category error according to your model. Help a man out! I see use in your model and do not want to misunderstand it.

@Carl-Richard But wouldn't you agree that whether it be psychedelic states or meditative states, they occur on the same mountain taking you ultimately to God? Or would you say that psychedelics take you to a different peak, a different aspect of God, compared to where a meditative journey will take you.

Yeah you'll have to integrate, that is become, more stage red for a while to learn the lessons it has to teach. Then you'll exhaust that craving and be bored of it.

@Carl-Richard I see, I apologize for strawmanning your model. Even if Leo has a different definition of awakening, both the categories still go up the same mountain at which the peak is God. Your model I believe says that Leo emphasizes states over growth/integration. But even with that being the case, it would still be true(if it is) that Leo has experienced higher states than those in spirituality category. Meaning he has every right to say those people are not awake whether he has integrated these states or not. Fact of the matter is that he has seen from higher up the mountain, albeit, temporarily. Even if his baseline may exist lower than those he calls not awake. So whether awakening is defined as having higher growth or higher states experienced, Leo's claims of other Gurus not being awake enough(compared to where has been), still holds true. Even though at this current moment he may be less aware than those other Gurus. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your model attempted to explain his claims as false as he misunderstands the difference in the categories you have outlined.