MrBON

Pick up can be done in many ways, just like marketing and sales can be done in many ways. It can be very manipulative, cruel, selfish or it can be done geniounly and put a smile on your face. The cases you mentioned seem more like legit sexual harassment to me than actual pick up. No respected pick up coach will ever say "tell a girl she has nice tits in the street and grab her ass". That is something creeps do. Most pick up is actually done in clubs and bars where girls go with the idea that they will get hit on to some extent, not on the street. Street pickup happens ofc but not as much as night pickup in bars and clubs. A lot of guys that start pick up start it because they have been ignored and rejected by girls all their lives. Have you ever felt like no one is interested in you? Like you will end up alone because you are unlovable? Have you ever felt unlovable? It is one of most disgusting feelings a human can feel. This is what pushes guys to learn pick up. Most guys that learn pick up are not the cases you mentioned above, they are the nervous nerdy guy that talks to you and is scared shitless. He seems almost like a defenseless child given how nervous he is. To me pick up is like a weapon, you can use it for good or bad depending on your moral and conscious development.

Leo versus the entire female fandom of this forum A battle of Titans

@Recursoinominado So if a girl finds you okay looking, so not legit ugly but not attractive, just okay then you can still attract her?

I love how this thread is called "Advice for Leo" , has 11 comments on it and none of them are Leo's.

@Recursoinominado How many girls have you approached in total if i may ask? Just curious. Was it hard at first to get results? I assume it is scary af when you start but was it hard to get your first lay and stuff

@Recursoinominado Same hahaha

Personally it makes you more bold and dominant and assertive if you have issues with those things like i do. Also you radiate more masculine energy which girls like. However it can make you more needy.

@Hardkill Your pictures are not good enough and dont reflect your good looks. Your bio is bad and or your text game is bad. Check out playingwithfire and school of attraction and text god for online game tips. Pick any of the three, they are the best for online game tips. Playing with fire is for texting, school of attraction is for pictures and bios. Also online dating is rigged against men since 2/3 of users are males, females are super picky due to a lot of choice and therefore you need a lot of volume. Around 100-150 matches for a date i would say if you know what you re doing.

@Elevated @mandyjw I mean guys are ruthless about looks and girls are ruthless about strong personality. Seems super even in this way to me. Both are selfish survival oriented.

I dont understand why looks should matter to women considering they judge you on your personality and skills a lot. Like you judge us on looks or on personality and skill? Make up your minds please.

@LostStudent You do realize this stuff is based on feelings not logic. A random nobody can come make you feel a certain way and you will get addicted to him. How do you think those charing guys in college or high school managed to sleep with everyone

@soos_mite_ah If you are specifically looking for friends then that is another thing. But you cannot control your feelings. If a guy makes you feel a certain way you will not want him as just a friend. If it is mutual then okay. See the response i just wrote to loststudent, it applies to what you said also.

@LostStudent Typical case of a girl being completely unconscious of what attracts her. You only want to be friends with them because of reasons. Unless you have personal problems at the given time then there are reasons why you "just want to be friends". If guy makes you feel a certain way you will be attracted to him and not want to be friends with him. Just like a guy will not want to be friends with a girl he sees that is super hot and cool.

@soos_mite_ah I mean you will not tell her "lets fuck" and touch her ass you know. I meant basically showing signs, some compliments, deep eye contact, playful touching and slowly building it to a kiss if she reprocitates. Stuff like this, also messing around with her her a bit in a non mean way aka tasing. This is what i was referring to mostly. On a night club things are different ofc.

@LostStudent No touching, no flirting , no showing interest and they thinking you just want to be friends with them and are not interested.

@soos_mite_ah This is very bad advice if you are a pussy and scared to make moves like most guys that complain about not getting girls. Personally i act like you are saying and always get friend zoned. I have been friend zoned by girls that found me legit handsome, smart and interesting. Why? Because i do not make any moves because i am treating it as a friendly chit chat. Act like a friend= get treated like a friend! I am pretty sure most successful guys that get hot girls don't talk to girls like a goody guy but flirt, makes moves, escalate etc. Now ofc there should be some balance about this but for people that struggle with making moves, they need to go on the "making moves" side of the equation more. This is all good and true but again, guys that suck with girls suck partly because they never make moves on them. That gentle flirting is the way to go for specific girls on specific locations like university class, gym etc. In a night club or with slutty girls you go harder than that. Also if guys suck with making moves it is better to train them to become overly bold for a while so they can find a healthy balance. If they already had that balance between when to flirty lightly and when to make moves they would not be here complaining about not getting girls

Now before you guys block this post i would like to listen to what i have to say. What i find so hypocritical of girls and feminists especially is this desire for equal everything. Guy can be soft and emotional, girl can be strong and independent etc. Perfectly okay. Now tell me, why do you still care so much about height? If you want the barrier of genders to dissapear to the point where you force boys in kindergarten to play with dolls, then why do you care about guy's height? Why is it not normal and acceptable for a guy to be shorter than the girl? Isn't it so convenient for them to want softer not abusive and ruthless men but regarding height? FUCK YOU if you re shorter than me Second hypocrisy is regarding weight. Height you cannot control, weight you can control. PERIOD. As you can see in the video girls considered it rude and shallow if rejected due to weight and normal if they reject due to height. Is not that convenient for them also? So shit load of double standards that punish guys for something they literally cannot change while empowering women to eat like shit and be lazy. The amount of hate that Leo got in his video "how to make a girl fall in love with you" SIMPLY because he said guys don't like fat girls was insane (around 1/3 dislikes and hate comments all over the place). If girls want gender equality and fairness in general then be okay with dating shorter guys or at least consider it normal to be rejected due to being fat instead of going on an emotional outrage and calling us shallow pigs. Thank you for your time

@soos_mite_ah Actually that attitude of being sweet and innocent is a huge turn on for a lot of guys I respect your choices though, do what is best for you

@soos_mite_ah WTF lol. Pretty sure there should be some decent guys for you. Being sexual does wonders for guys, most would pick a normal girl over a hot girl if the normal girl made it easier for them, if you know what i mean. I am sounding like a huge jerk but this is how guys think. They are like: this okay looking girl likes me, i should either get with her or try to hit on the hot girl that will 99 percent turn me down. Ah fuck it, the okay girl it is. This is how most normal guys think. Some of the more actualized ones will care for personality a lot more than the average basic guys and that you have control over. Act like Ty Lee, guys like that behavior attraction wise. The top guys will like a hot girl with great personality but those guys are minority so no need to think about them. Going to gym and skin care does wonders for most girls though looks wise.

@soos_mite_ah Having to talk to like 50 girls to get 1 to like you is not "no effort". I dont like when girls refer to the model looking super charming guys as the base when that is like 5 percent of guys max. Most guys have to talk to a lot of girls to get 1 of them so it is hard work. Are you very shy? Are you emotionally cold, not touchy, dont smile etc? I do not want to sound like a jerk but guys can be picky about looks but if you are at least okay looking then it should not be an issue. I have a few female friends that struggle with guys but that is because they are very cold. If you give a lot of compliments, smile a lot, touch and talk about dirty things guys will start getting attracted to you.

@soos_mite_ah Guys can get manipulated too you know, actually i might say they get more. Thing is that i said girls like that because girls are more intuitive than guys. Therefore the chance of a male being manipulated by a female is higher or at least equal. Scary shit. I mean Ty Lee, yeah that is a struggle for sure. However i do not understand that frustration that girls had on the comment section of the video the topic starter posted. They were saying "we should be perfect for guys etc". Personally i rarely see guys very picky with girls and if they are it is like 1/20 guys, majority are super modest. Idk my sample size might be weird but i do not understand the outrage i saw there.

@Leo Gura A 6/10 girl in looks is not low standards. Plus personality matters more if you want anything serious and you cannot tell that from online dating profiles much. But yeah it is not high standards so in your case it makes sense not to use online dating.

@soos_mite_ah Good points. I do agree with you. Are you sure you are not being a bit paranoid though? I personally never heard of girls being threatened in dates but the fear of rape while walking home at night is quite real. I lived in a city with plenty of aggresive street dogs during the night and the idea of not being calm while walking on specific streets is quite fucked up. The emotional manipulating thing i mean, most girls are highly intuitive so it should be easy to tell it right? I also find that girls kinda like those kind of guys since they find them interesting and unique, not plain or boring. Anything else you would like to add? Thank you for your reply

@Leo Gura @modmyth It would be a good idea to actually explain it to the self biased people here instead of just saying "you guys have no idea about the struggles girls face" all the time. A self biased person fails to see this and needs some points to start thinking. The way i see it is that girls are pickier than guys due to the fact that they are burned with the task of having to bear children while guy can fuck and leave. Therefore the girl is naturally more picky and a picky person is a person that is harder to get satisfied in life. A decent looking decently confident, decently cool guy can get laid once a while if he approaches a lot. His struggles are pretty clear on the people on this forum since most are self biased males. (having to approach A LOT , needing to become more confident and charismatic etc etc) How about you guys explain to the audience (and myself) the issues a decent looking decently cool girl faces.

@flowboy Acting like you better, giving that spoiled look like you are not worth my time, being on your phone half the time, giving short answers and basically not being respectful and attentive on the interaction