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@Serotoninluv Poverty is a state of mind. Poverty brings many blessings. Some of the most loving well connected families you'll ever meet are dirt poor. Not having any Jones to keep up with cuts through a lot of bullshit and wasted energy chasing after paper bills. My poor community is wealthy beyond measure.

@Serotoninluv In the case of a tiny sovereign Native American tribe that is completely self governing. How would you go about that? You would have to bring someone in from outside and it would be so much money that it would change the community and landscape forever. Can you see what an imposition that would be? Money is the way white men like to show their love. Or power. I think we get confused sometimes.

I've been racist before, I was raised to be that way. I knew better than to say anything racist but when it occasionally came out anyway, but there was no amount of shame that changed my feelings, it strengthened them if anything. What did change them was experiencing the world and meeting people from different places and seeing how wonderful they were. Love conquers all. There's no place for shame.

@Serotoninluv I live in a very similar community and my opinion is that if we were given that kind of money that there would not be a single person wise enough to decide how to use it, nor a community wise enough to select and entrust anyone with that responsibility and it would tear the community apart. We don't have a lot in the way of resources but we do have a close community. There's a grant out right now to build a vocational school but no one can agree on the location and no one is willing to give in so the grant may be lost. There's a good reason why most lottery winners are completely miserable and friendless within a year.

@now is forever Don't teach what in school? My friend has the Stefan Molyneux part down pat. Now she just needs to learn what Leo teaches and she'll be whole. She's well on her way. Money given out of any motivation other than love is a curse. Guilt is not love. That's the problem. That's the cycle we keep perpetuating, paying money as a sort of penance for our guilt.

How much would it take to repay the Native Americans for their land that will never again be the same? For the buffalo, the caribou? The sacred spots that were mined away by white men? For imposing upon them the idea that land could be "owned" and wasn't everyone's to share? It takes a lot of intelligence to be a real estate mogul like Donald Trump. It takes a lot of love and spiritual connection to be one with your tribe, your land, your ancestors. Money is not the answer to this problem. Love is.

No WAY!!!

@now is forever I'm not sure, but I think you're saying that you think I'm a racist? Racism exists because people are so terrified that when they open their mouth in a discussion like that that something racist will come out. They are so afraid of being shamed that racism isn't even discussed. Not really. It's like expecting teenagers who have never been given any information about sex whatsoever not to have sex. This is why we have so much racism. Any topic that can't be discussed freely turns into a massive societal problem. Repression. Shame. Ego. This is one of the few places that we should be evolved enough to be able to discuss stuff like this.

Nature/manmade technology is also another duality. That one was/is particularly stomach turning to dissolve.

@Leo Gura I love you both. I don't trust either one of you though.

@Leo Gura But it's beautiful isn't it? With no Voldemort there's no Harry Potter, there's no story, no book to be written. He's the Voldemort to your Harry. Or you're the Voldemort to his Harry.

Everything is love. Everything is beauty. It's intoxicating. We're both right. Two parts to a whole. Come on over to the light side for a bit my friend.

@Leo GuraPeople who are open to spirituality know that there are multiple forms of intelligence and that IQ is just one tiny part of intelligence. IQ does correlate somewhat with one's ability to be successful in a capitalist society though. Just because someone isn't good at chess doesn't make them a stupid person, they could be quite brilliant in many other ways. But if the entire society measures your worth based on how well you play a game of chess, then you're screwed. You can say that we should make people who are bad at playing chess spend hours and hours getting extra help from the best teachers and learning a game they don't like and have no natural talent for. Or we can give people the freedom and support to choose which game they want to play. He misses the bigger picture, yes. But he's one of the only people courageous enough to even bring up the issue.

@Matt8800 Thanks, I'm really new to this, or my awareness in this lifetime is very new at least. I ordered "Modern Magick: Twelve Lessons in the High Magickal Arts" I have a very busy life, I have young kids and a business. I have just resumed my not very well established meditation practice of 15 minutes a day and an hoping to work up to an hour. Do you see anything I'm missing at this point?

Aren't all people born with different spiritual abilities/potential? Doing something with the intention of getting future abilities can't really work can it? Thanks for this thread, it's fascinating.

@Identity This right here. Don't judge Stefan Molyneux. Don't judge Leo. Trust no one, love all. It's all you, you're creating it all.

Oh this is most fun Easter egg hunt I've ever had the privilege of participating in. Stephen Moleneux is an enlightened devil. My friend just called me and I asked for the thing that upset her most about Stephen Moleneux, she loves him. She said she couldn't understand this. She's attracted to guys who hurt her, she can't stay away from them so how could this be true? "The moral argument for integrity in relationships is simple: Love is our involuntary response to virtue, if we are virtuous. We cannot love those our values define as evil/immoral. Either they change, or our values change, or there is no real relationship. That’s the “cult.” https://mobile.twitter.com/stefanmolyneux/status/1108558087139426304?fbclid=IwAR3Og1uwV8YTzsSr5FRGyp5hGIJe2-IcjA_3Yve1LMWuuHQnUWvfvRpK5Bs Nonduality teaches us that there's no such thing as virtue, virtue is the ego, virtue is evil, virtue blocks us from real love/enlightenment. The question is, what is Stephen Moleneux trying to point out to us exactly? The whole world is out to enlighten you.

@Identity There's something extremely important going on here, with him as a piece of greater the nonduality pie, but I'm not ready to put my finger on it.

Where do you go from stage Stefan Molyneux? Asking for a friend.

@DocHoliday Oh ok, most of those are from when I was a really young kid. Mostly they were pictures in National Geographic magazines of disasters. The most memorable one wasn't that horrifying, it was a picture of the McDonald's arches and there had been such a flood that the water was over the buildings and up to the yellow arches. The idea that that could even happen just blew my mind and the McDonald's arch was a measure I knew, something I could relate to. I remember several other stories of horrible injuries and violence that i couldn't have imagined before. Another was as a teenager, falling in love with someone I shouldn't have, spending the year as friends, finally telling him and being rejected and then being told a few years later that he didn't even remember me at all.

Real love is like the light of the sun, it's not selective but falls equally on everyone.

A lot of people like myself have trouble focusing on breath. It's pretty easy to start hyperventilating at first. I found it really helpful to focus on a low hum in the room, fan, air conditioner, background noise, etc. There are also teachers who teach to feel the inner body, it's easiest to start with your hands and feel the aliveness in them and let that spread throughout your body. I also like to focus on the colors that appear and change when I close my eyes. I just wanted to let you know that there are many other ways to go about it. Try just 5 minutes, it can feel pretty wonderful if you don't make it into a chore.

You certainly do feel vibrations, you just don't know that you are. I have an awesome example for you. If you've taken a basic art class you've learned about complimentary colors. They are colors that are opposite each other on the color wheel. They cause color to pop and grab your attention, it causes a vibration. Think red and green for Christmas colors. Or thinking about loud clashing colors, colors that are hard to look it. "Cool" colors are of a different vibration and soothe you. Color powerfully affects how we feel. How is that? It's through different vibrations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complementary_colors

Thich Nhat Hanh has a way of teaching some really hard lessons in such a gentle loving way.

I was inspired by Leo's use of this metaphor the other day.