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Yes, that's true. Sometimes we'll come across dead ends but it's worth it. Though in the first few years of doing this work I think it's better to lean towards the pragmatic end to get survival needs met. I like to think of it as research and development, but for our own lives. Like how businesses and companies spend 15% (for example) of their profits on research and development for innovation.

What are your thoughts on initially spending 2 years just studying theory to form an overarching strategy for your life? Still doing spiritual practices and retreats, but for contrast I'd think these are cornerstone practices. Whereas a business venture can be temporary. How many hours a day of theory is too much? Or until it gives diminishing returns? You can finish a book in 2-3 days reading 3 hours a day. I think that can still be applied here. In this case, the Lego block is the French Revolution, what the Lego block is creating is a shift in your perspective/worldview. Thus, the purpose of learning about history is opening yourself to new perspectives, further building your big picture.

@martins name Is it the one by Anodea Judith?

@longusername12345 Observe - thinking about it will only bring predictions, not solutions. Remember that direct experience trumps thinking. You can only know how that week detox will affect you by going and doing it. No one can tell you how it will turn out but you. Maybe it will help you. Maybe it will make you lose progress - in which case you would have learned something new, and have a new vantage point to reevaluate your course of action. You will learn something either way by experience, not thinking. Treat your life like a science experiment, over time you will further hone in on your wants and desires. Follow what feels good. I wish you the best of luck ?

Can Kriya Yoga replace meditation practice? If I were to choose one to do daily, which one should I prioritize? Kriya Yoga or meditation?

I’ll try this, thanks. Asking for anecdotes on how long it took people to start enjoying their meditation practice is not a sign of me being lazy, nor expecting things to be easy, nor wanting to rush things. Consider the possibility that you only assumed that. Your example of working out doesn’t have to be true - Unenjoyable things can become enjoyable. At first I didn’t enjoy working out but overtime I started enjoying it. You don’t think the same can happen with meditation? Look at Leo, monks, etc. Meditation must be done rigorously too, not mechanically. Thanks. What techniques do you use?

You're on to something here - but isn't enjoyment a feeling? I don't feel good. How could I apply this to food addiction? I'm addicted to bananas and I have like 6 a day. The only other thing I eat throughout the day is a few pieces of chicken and/or steak.

Do nothing, mindful labelling, focusing on breath. No. I’ll try this, thanks ? Projection? Bold of you to assume my attitude don’t ya think Is this your baseline level of consciousness now?

I'm currently 15. Through self-evaluation, I'm mostly at the Achiever/Orange stage of development, so having these drives makes a lot of sense to me. I am not yet financially free (a tenth of the way there), but I am not sure if the prospect of financial freedom by itself is motivating me enough, I have these other material desires also motivating me. But I don't want to waste time pursuing the wrong things. I want luxury cars and a mansion. I know that these things won't make me happy, but I don't really know. I haven't experienced the realization myself. Pursuing such lofty material goals can take years, so these are my options: Spend many years pursuing these material goals, achieve them, thereby exhausting my desire Save myself many years by doing inner work and self-reflection, thereby renouncing the desire With this also comes the question - how do I know what desires come from my true Self and which desires come from my ego? Do I want these things for the sheer experience of it or because I think it will make me happy?

@Nahm I'm not sure

@OctagonOctopus Wow, that makes sense! Thanks. @Nahm Is the very desire itself, feeling? Not what the desire gets me?

Do Enlightened people meditate?

By development, I mean developmental stages. Would it be easier to be awakened at say, Stage Yellow/Turquoise than at Stage Blue/Orange? Since you're not clinging as much to your ego as the latter?

It would only make sense for a well-known politician to appeal to the lowest common denominator

What do you mean?

@Onelove It will change your life. The measly $250 spent on it will pay back 100 fold. Leo could be charging a lot more for it, I really think he hasn’t tapped into even 20% of how much he can do with that course.

@Nahm Yes, of course. I try my best to look at these models as merely tools.

I never argued with that Yes, notice how all developmental models are so similar. Whether it’s Clare’s model, Susan’s model, Gebser’s model, Maslow’s model. They all develop in essentially the exact same order, but they point to different things and are used for different reasons. Maslow’s model - Human needs, can be used to identify your needs Clare Grave’s model - Values and worldview. Can be used to explain society and human’s behaviour. Susan’s model - Self identity. Can be used to predict human behaviour We can use models and theories as a staircase though How? Yes, this is true. Ken Wilber says it himself, that Waking Up makes Growing Up faster and easier. I want to know if Growing Up makes Waking Up faster and easier.

In this case, the most effective way to awaken would be to supplement spiritual practices (for awakening) with exhausting the desires you have given the developmental stage you’re at? This would mean that it’s less effective to devote your entire life to meditation to awaken because your developmental stage is holding you back. The way I see it is: Awakening makes you realise this is a video game. Development makes the video game better and more fun. Would you agree with this proposition? @Leo Gura

While Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and Spiral Dynamics have some overlap, they point to different things. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs - Human Needs Spiral Dynamics - Values and Worldview, interpretation of reality

@Gesundheit Sure Look at Integral Life Practice in the 21st Century by Ken Wilber and go to the chapters that cover the four quadrants. This will make more sense after you read up on it, but the ego development model is better than spiral dynamics if you're focused on the upper left quadrant/your ego. Wikipedia also covers quadrants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_theory_(Ken_Wilber)#:~:text=Ken Wilber's AQAL%2C pronounced "ah,and "individual-collective".&text=For Wilber%2C only such an,be accurately called "integral".

Maybe because it only covers the Upper Left Quadrant of Ken Wilber's AQAL theory as it's based solely on ego development. Spiral Dynamics can be applied to all quadrants if I'm not mistaken.

I’ve lost my passion for my last endeavour, so I’m looking to start a business that revolves around my new Life Purpose. I have a good amount of money to spend on self-education/courses. But I don’t know what to start with Here are my options: Sam Ovens - Consulting Accelerator - then - Uplevel Consulting Eben Pagan - Virtual Coach Eben Pagan - Digital Product Blueprint What should I start with? Any other recommendations are open.

Kriya Yoga is a form of meditation right?

I've heard about Eben Pagan. Who else is very good? Preferably Stage Yellow thinkers.