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@Leo Gura I really like the idea of just cold cutting stuff out, news, social media, etc. For the first time I just implemented a youtube feed and instagram feed block. I have an addiction problem here partly and actually this discussion made me realize more starkly. AI tools can search the internet if when I need something anyways (learn as you go basis), so there's no need for even reading on latest developments anymore. It's just shocking how much news and social media sucks you in, and its so addictive, in general. It's not like I could also turn this addiction off day one. It's more like climbing out of a massive pile of shit one step at a time I'm now intuiting.

@Leo Gura I think I'm going to seriously take that on as a daily conscious habit, not just cutting out political news but also AI news. I don't know about other peoples news feed, but mine is mostly filled with Trump, Musk and AI news, and honestly Im getting a bit sick of it. The thing with AI news particularly is there's actually good lessons, etc. from interviews with Sam Altman, Eric Schmidt, etc. but ultimately it leaves me a bit sick after years of it, feeling less myself. I can imagine a much much more peaceful happier life just focusing on the craft itself, and seeking AI research only when needed. Even AI news is filled with doom and gloom, and all these people are so well-spoken and intelligent in certain narrow ways that it turns addictive. The amount of "Future Of AI" videos I consumed is mind-boggingly horrendous lol .. some very valuable lessons but man oh man mostly just this bunch of junk. I don't even know why its junk or what makes it junk but it sure feels like junk.

@Leo Gura Oh wow that's a very valuable perspective. I guess all this daily reading of New York Times and all the new actions trump was taking got me overreacting then if life on an individual level goes on as business as usual for the most part. It does make sense to, as one commonality I see in all of trumps actions is to simply attain more wealth and power. I don't see Hitler-level evil in him, even though we are moving towards an authoritarian government. Maybe there's an important distinction between authoritarian government and Hitler-level or Putin-level chaos. Though I really don't know much about politics to know whether Trump is just after money and power or he truly has war-type tendencies. I appreciate this. I didn't even realize how fearful I was until you gave this perspective. I thought I was calmer than I really was.

@Leo Gura my last concern is financial tbh (family is doing well financially, and I see great opportunities and I'm on a programming path which has great opportunities in the future) but moreso the social effects, living in a dictatorial environment (I don't know what that will feel like), censorship, police militarization, etc. But also is moving over-reacting? I mean I'm not here crying and stuff lol I'm a very strategic person generally. I look at situations, analyze and make decisions. I haven't made any decision yet. I'm just trying to assess the playing field. But the facts of the playing field: Considering all the damage that has been happening, environmentally, medicaid being cut, the poor people suffering, etc. Or that in just 1 month or something of Trump and Elon taking office, they've done so much damage. But moreso I honestly don't know what these next 4+ years means. Is it just financial issues mostly? Then sure I guess I'll stick around. But how do you know things won't get a lot worse on an individual level? (I didn't mention financial concern one bit lol but in any case, this is a great time for any creative-minded person. I'm well aware of that. Perhaps under this administration opportunities open up even more for creative folks ironically.)

@aurum yeah there's too many factors at play, but you bring up some factors I haven't thought about for most us citizens though, including me, my highest priority is my family's safety, but I also care about the US democracy so its conflicting. If US isn't safe, it makes sense to consider moving to some place safer. From my research, I don't see evidence of physical endangerment (yet) and you're right, I think that's the biggest factor. Maybe if there is no physical endangerment, then maybe its worth staying, working through the other problems and then fighting for democracy. On the other hand, it also is possibly that political opinions can be monitored digitally, or just openly opposing the current regime could lead to harsher consequences. I dont know tbh

serious question, at what point do you think it makes sense to leave america, if at all, hoping to get opinions. I don't want to over-react, but I don't want to under-react either. I considered this as a possibility up until today, while today I feel this may be a potential reality. Im an ordinary american citizen questioning a good life in america over the coming years because of this. Do you think life will generally be the same on an individual level, or does it get a bit worse? somewhat worse? or really bad

@Leo Gura Those 3?? one of them is a kid lol .. the 2 I understand .. but the kid even told trump to be quiet at one point (different video)

@Leo Gura lol gotchya

@Leo Gura I don't know why but this reminded me of your course that you're planning to launch later .. I hesitated asking this for a while but is it possible to point in some direction of what that secret is for actualizing all the content from your videos and books are, that abstraction thing or something that puts it all together? Of course you wouldnt be able to like give all of it, but is there some book that covers the techniques for that? It's understandable if you don't want to share as well as that would be the substance of your course, and what would draw people in to your course, but I thought I'd ask just in case you are willing to share.

Whatever you think of Jordan Peterson, I don't listen to him much, but this interview, mainly with this guy Brian is one of my favorite discussions on ChatGPT. The biggest lesson I got from this is that any one of these LLMs are like continents, unexplored continents of value, tons of valuable insights waiting to be mined and extracted, and with the right prompts, in many cases "super prompts", highly iterated prompts, you can unlock almost any value from these LLMs. It's less about how intelligent these LLMs are, which is of course important, but when are we going to get more intelligent with our input, people don't realize just how deep and intelligent our inputs can be.

"Thieves, look how these thieves stole from us" - Thieves

@Leo Gura you will be surprised, most people are essentially using walmart AI right now. I'm developing AI apps so I'm deeply immersed in this psychology. If the way a model is structured is .. User <---> LLM .. notice the LLM is smart, but the user doesn't apply there intelligence, so how much value can users really extract? Not much. The LLM is only as useful depending on how deep users go, which they just don't. There's enough data that shows most users use it too shallowly. Therefore most users don't need much intelligent AI. There's also an emerging AI Agency market, and most of these people promote using cheaper LLMs in their services so they make more money. Thats the world we live in.

@Raze people are saying that but is this really true? 1 AI model is crashing American AI stocks? I still use GPT 4o but I plan to switch to deep seek but whats so special if its just a cheaper chatbot? The markets are highly dynamic serving all kinds of unique products and services, it wouldn't make sense that this 1 AI model has such an impact on so many of these stocks.

@Leo Gura you can clone an AI relatively easily sure, but the real value in my opinion is again the flow of data which is harder for people to copy because that is a multi-faceted creative system of software Ex. not agent, but Agent 1 -> Agent 2 -> Agent 3, etc. a system of agents. Also an agent isnt just an LLM, which can be easily copied. An agent has custom tools, it actually does stuff outside of the LLM. I don't think these are that easy to copy? Maybe they are but I'm not so sure. For ex. I use an agent that makes me apps in front-end, APIs and backend and connects it all together. There isnt any other software that does that. Thats because they designed the agent to edit a database, not just writing code, but it makes changes on a platform. That platform (Supabase) had to give permission first to that agent to make those changes. Most agents wouldn't be granted permission to take actions on that. So for ex. if I have an amazon shopping agent, but amazon only allows this agent and not other agents (through permission-only actions) then what value do other agents have anyways?

@Leo Gura the real profits is more in the OpenAI API than the chatbots. The flow of data. For ex. with actualized.org you can use an AI classifier to pass the posts made on the forum through a classifier to see if either it meets the requirements of a post you find is acceptable, or to reject it if it is not meeting actualized guidelines. That's just one use case, but that is the same as the chatbot type data, but just used in creative ways. There's not much value specifically in AI chatbots for companies (except the huge companies). Then secondly, there's value in chatbots when agents become a real thing. Like OpenAI just released their new agent Operator, which is a form of a chatbot (takes screenshots consistently, chats, and has custom actions) and these just started, but agents is where its really at.

the contrast between the beautiful sky wow

@Leo Gura how do trump and elon get away with so much of this? I think Trump just launched some crypto coin (conveniently during inauguration) ?? This has to be illegal? (If I have this info right)

@Bobby_2021 thats a good point, I actually completely forgot they're tied with the government. In that case, its equally possible that the government had something to do with this instead of OpenAI. Regarding the paper, I think its not revealed yet right? She mentioned there was a document, but I think she said (the mom) that they are yet to look at it or something?

@Leo Gura I would re-look at the data .. I think most americans (not american leaders) clearly see that US is unfairly supporting Israel, and that what is happening to the palestinians is very unfair. American leaders on the other hand are a different story, its more in their interest to see them as evil.

@Bobby_2021 yeah lol long time .. and I just saw the full thing, there's just too much evidence to conclude that this is not suicide, likely a murder of some kind .. I think its def more than vibes although yeah the vibes suggest murder as well lol .. Its just so hard to believe a company like OpenAI would do that. It seems she has a lot more investigating to do, so maybe we'll get our answer soon.

I literally saw a small disabled guy curled up into a ball, paralyzed like 80%, and he has a pretty hot girlfriend. Sure maybe there isn't someone for everyone, but I think most people don't realize how much potential they have.

@Bobby_2021 what's up man, about to watch this .. you really think its a murder? What frustrates me sometimes is not being able to figure out what is true and what is false. I listened to 5 minutes so far, and the mother seems very well versed in these matters, and it definitely doesn't make sense about the suicide (no suicide note, super accomplished dude) .. but why in the world would Open AI have him taken out? Just doesn't seem convincing. Not sure

@Leo Gura gotchya, appreciate all the valuable insight and input

@Leo Gura I personally don't know if awakening is in the cards for me in my life. I don't know if I have the appetite for that. Though I have been in pursuit, and will continue to be in pursuit of consciousness work, shamanic breathing, actualizing the books on your book list, etc. .. without going deep into awakening and just doing the best that one can do with your videos and additional resources, do you think its possible to first learn of what is good and what is corrupt, and then to pursue that and actually do more good for humanity than bad? If you could shine some light on this, I'm actually wanting to know. I'm just trying to see if its reasonable for us ordinary folk who follow your work, who may not be "balls to the walls" with consciousness work, but just pursue living a good life, pursue this work as best as we can, can create a net positive on the world. Also what exactly about Elon do you think makes him a net corrupt for the world? From my understanding so far he's producing cleaner energy cars for the environment, and wants to potentially save humanity by making us multi-planetary. Regarding AI, I think he's lying a lot, but I think there's a motivation to not want authoritarian powers like China to create AI first, like how we created nuclear first which protected the world. But on the other hand twitter has become an absolute shit show, a reflection of his mind, and the people on it. He supports MAGA and all the bad that causes. From what I hear from a family member, he's the worst boss and many many working at Tesla is a reflection of his mind as well. I'm just overall not sure what to make of all this though. Isn't it possible he's a net negative if he saves humanity? Or is he massively corrupt then for what he does to the societal mind. I'm just not so sure that answer is simple.

@Leo Gura I don't know how to properly word this, but I am curious .. if there really is that much corruption at every turn then how does that correlate to aspects of consciousness like beauty, love, beautiful art, etc. ? Like okay I get consciousness itself from an absolute level is "perfect", but just on a human level there's beauty all around us right? The ability to connect with nature, seeing love in various scenarios, the good things humans do for each other, sacrifice, etc. Isn't it just like there's good and bad in humans, and one way of life is to just embody more goodness? I'm excluding messy corporations, and organizations and society from what I'm asking, I guess just looking at "normal" individuals. What I'm mainly trying to ask is, are normal individuals really that corrupt? and is that so bad if there's both good and bad in normal individuals? We can also choose to do a lot of good for the world through our life purpose, which can create a net positive in our sort of "good-bad footprint" on the world .. do you think that's the case as well?