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@Leo Gura ah okay nice .. would be an interesting conversation for sure, I do like a lot of his talks

@Leo Gura That would be very interesting but wondering a) just sending him an email means its a high likelihood of him agreeing? b) why would you want to if you have a lot of criticisms towards him? Im just curious why engage in conversation with him if you're opposed to his worldviews?

@Quader He would earn 1/100th of what he earns now .. he would barely earn a proper monthly salary, and he worked hard at building a product, theres no reason to make it donation only; Its not about his worry, his patrons will leave him high and dry, most people will not pay if they dont have to, thats how humans are

I would but Im still recovering from bad trips lol

@Leo Gura loll that wont help us .. I have gotten scammed multiple times, a 5k course by some marketing lunatic, even owen scammed me with a subpar course once, the list goes on .. when you struggle in life from a lack of success then something much stronger is needed, dunno what that is, maybe a very strong pain point .. I have been holding back on the life purpose course because I keep trying these quick side hustles, the cycle keeps continuing, its exhausting

@Leo Gura oh okay .. all this is very tricky to navigate at times. Orange is a very consuming mindset for me and I guess america at large, and yet at the same time I need it the most at this point in my life, and yet the all consuming nature of it is making me realize how distorted this lens is, damn .. I have listened to much stuff beyond orange, including most actualized teachings but when you're in orange the pull of orange is very strong

@Leo Gura damn i have idolized them all for so long listening to them almost every day .. I mean they all have a lot of good teachings though, but if that is peak orange then you are saying there is better success advice out there? I never thought of them all like that. Quite frankly, doesnt make me feel so good to hear that lol .. but of course one can take the good teachings and leave out the bad Like Tim Ferriss, he puts out so much wisdom these days with his podcast, all these nuanced self help techniques. Systems thinking books may help, so would other books like LOA, but isnt the books you call orange the gold standard for success?

@Leo Gura yeah but its not just the low consciousness success advice, even the best success advice teaches the same principles of relentlessness, and such. Tim Ferriss, Tony Robbins, Jack Canfield, top podcasts with CEOs showing up, top books, the greats like Michael Jordan .. thats what makes you take a step back in your personal dev journey

@Leo Gura because personal development circles glorify the principles of relentlessness, and similar values pointing to such "heroes". So in trying to model those behaviors I didn't equate those values and principles to all the negative consequences that leads to it. I am also aware of Amazon's culture, but its easy to mentally segregate the bad things to glorify these traits that make you successful. It's a weird personal development thing.

I used to really look up to him as a role model but now its mixed feelings because of this greed. My uncle has been telling me for a long time how corrupt musk is but I didnt buy it. He works at Tesla and apparantly its absolute hell to work there. Not just musk but the culture is absolutely toxic, even with the workers there. Everyone cusses each other out and is greedy and stuff.

Am I getting this right .. Elon musk has been constantly pushing hard for the regulation of AI, meeting the UK prime minister, putting that letter forward for people to sign .. and Biden admin was actually taking steps to regulate AI compared to trump admin, and still doesn't vote for Biden despite him saying AI is the greatest existential threat to humanity? and also the fact that he's going all out to build it, partly fueled by revenge for OpenAI?

I just saw @Leo Gura's blog post. I had to rewatch the first guy's video 3x, this actually sounds batshit crazy. I tried skimming some parts of the 900 page paper: https://www.project2025.org/policy/ But I honestly don't understand it. I'm unfortunately very ignorant of anything politics related on a technical level, although I do listen to a lot of high level stuff. I tried putting some of the pdf papers into chatgpt, and well ChatGPT is too damn nice I guess. It says everything is fine lol but its ChatGPT. Anyways, what's really going on here? Some things I'm thinking: What are the implications of this? By current government processes, built over centuries, how could it let one man have so much power and be a dictator like that? would the government even allow this? How much of this is fear mongering? Could this be just a bunch of idiots trying to get it there way but the government won't allow that? I really don't know, but I definitely didn't like a lot of the points the guy in the first video described. I mean people say a lot of stuff, but does that mean any of this stuff will really happen? I'm also curious what you guys think the implications this could have on an individual level? the future? different sectors like AI, military, etc.? What groups will get affected and how? Key point of my post: I definitely don't want to make this sound like I am choosing an argument or position here. I really just want to understand this situation deeper, if there really is that much of a concern at all. I think first having a deep understanding of the situation is key. Kind of random, but a youtuber commented on that first video: "German here. I have found out about Project 2025 months ago and have been worried ever since. My grandparents fell for it. I hope that most of you don't." you guys don't really think this is anything similar to hitler is it? again, just looking for understanding here.

@Leo Gura not a bad idea to link it in the high consciousness resources forum

@Leo Gura Well true in most cases, but my last girlfriend we'd have deep philosophical convos and bonding in that way with a girl .. you can get a lot of meaning and joy out of that, but even then its not something that you do all the time, most of the time it really is just play

@Leo Gura it seems you're pretty confident about the likelihood of a crash. Im honestly not that skilled in it. I hear people talking about a "crash" all the time. I guess that's a skill one needs to develop, which allows you to execute such a strategy. If you're able to accurately assess market crashes then it's a strategy worth looking into, which I will.

@Leo Gura But see here's the problem, say I sell now, the market goes up from here, then there wont necessarily be a good time to re-enter, which you'd want to do because Im talking about its value in 10 years, and then when do you re-enter? It's very hard to time markets. If Im not skilled in timing markets, itd only make sense for a buy and hold long-term strategy. You're thinking of a buy and sell short-term strategy.

@Leo Gura I got in Nvidia early, at a 3x right now, overall sure you can try to time the market and sell when its overheated, and sure there is definitely a lot of hype right now, but continuing to sell, buy, sell, buy, some of us just want to buy and hold long-term, and that's a solid strategy too right? Sure even if there's a 60% drop, if you believe in a company longterm, and see its long-term value, then it makes sense to just stop eyeing the fluctuations so much, focus on the value of the company, let it go and move on to other projects? For ex. Nvidia is leading the monopoly in computing and chips, and over time more and more products and services will be built on compute, making Nvidia a no-brainer buy.

@kev014 Regarding the "bullying" part, I also feel that Owen is more on the side of just being direct, rather than trying to be nice, but there are moments where he is up in his face yelling at him saying things that was clearly hurting him. I mean throughout the whole thing this guy is on the verge of tears and Owen just says he's going to keep hammering him. Now sure that still might not be bullying to you, but Im not so sure to be honest. He was much happier as he came on the stage, but Owen just kept hammering his self-esteem and didn't stop. I was looking to join some toastmasters organizations and on every club page it says in clear writing that there's no pressure to speak, and you speak if you want to speak. Contrast that to Owen yelling in his face, not giving him a choice, saying things like "look you can't even smile" "you can barely talk". Again, I don't know for sure, but thats what Im even wondering about in this thread, is if that is even bullying or is that a way to make him stronger. Maybe the intention makes all the difference. Regarding the "pain with the old way of being", that's a good point. I have been considering experimenting with that. I do see a lot of value in that, atleast in the early aspects of personal development for my life. And you also make a good point about being internally validated. From that POV I can see tremendous value here. But I wonder if being harshly rejected like that is healthy for the self-esteem. Like if you take another perspective, would you surround yourself with toxic people who put you down even if you're internally validated? Im not so sure that's a great idea, because we do get affected by our environment. This idea of being internally validated, of course to a high degree that matters, but Im wondering if making a strategy out of constantly being rejected is healthy. Perhaps it is, that's what the idea of failure is. Maybe it makes you tougher. Maybe it puts a scar or 2, some pain, but at the tradeoff of being very secure with yourself, and internally validated, I think thats worth it. Overall, appreciate the input a lot. After what you said, Im more on the side of incorporating some of these aspects into my life. I can see tremendous value here. I also don't mean to get too hung up on the definition of bullying either. From a bigger picture perspective, something in me is telling me I need to challenge myself much more, associate much more pain, face much more and much harsher rejections, etc.

Owen cook helped transform this kid, 20 years old, 4 years ago through what appears to be bullying? I'm still debating if this is bullying to be honest because on one hand, it seems pretty obvious that this is a pretty strong form of bullying and harassment even, but on the other hand it's like a form of military training for his ego dissolution to become a self-transformed person, more confident, less scared in the world by exposing himself to harsh rejection. Just look at this transformation. This is him before, about 4 years ago. You don't have to watch the whole thing, although I did. You can skip around to the parts where Owen is talking to him (somewhat bullying him) He said he was watching Owen's videos for 5 years and only ever socialized with 1 person. Almost no action, just a theory junky - In the first video. And this is him about 1 year ago (3 year transformation) I've even seen Owen in person treat his son with 30% of that same bullying that he did to this kid. I took my friend who isnt much into this form of personal development to see Owen and he didn't like Owen at all for how he treated his kid and how much he yells in general. But I also don't think he treated his kid right. Again you can skip around to the parts where he's making the people on stage do exercises. Now I've seen a lot of Owen videos, but this kid's story resonates with me a lot because I too have had a hard social journey, and still have so much to transform. I relate a lot to him. I also sense there's a powerful public speaker in me waiting to come out. I'm wondering, does this form of exposure therapy really work? I mean clearly it did on him, but I mean exposing yourself to very harsh circumstances, often very harsh rejection for serious transformation? Isn't that how the military is able to take weak men and make them into strong men? I've always taken the approach to kaizen, and mastery by george leonard as the path to personal growth, but I'm wondering if I could use some of what this kid got in his life, that is really challenging myself, facing harsher circumstances to make myself stronger, even very harsh rejection to grow myself socially as well? I mean in that first video he is literally getting bullied, having his self-esteem beaten down by Owen, how does that even help? And yet it did? So then is this a pretty solid path for personal development on top of the habits that you do? To challenge yourself each day to do something that really scares you, really challenging environments that scare the absolute crap out of you? Or can one coast by small iterations of exposure therapy. But how strong does that make you really if you don't truly dive into the absolute terror. This video literally has me questioning if I have been living too soft all my life, avoiding being rejected even though Ive socialized quite a bit, Id socialize in ways that are not polar, not truly myself so as not to be rejected so often or so harshly. But now Im questioning if people need to put themselves in much harsher environments more consistently to grow themselves truly.

@Leo Gura Oh yeah good point, i do mostly look at business stuff so that explains that, as well as just scrolling youtube shorts which I think is biased based on what you view more, as well as youtube shorts being more gen Z I think. It's possible that Gen Z is moreso trump, but thats a wild guess. Well thats good to hear, often looking at social media comments I start to lose faith in humanity. I deleted Insta because Insta reels comment sections are overwhelmingly very negative and toxic. Atleast youtube theres a lot more positivity.

@Leo Gura Wow I never even thought that as a possibility, but I mean still I do look into many of the profiles and they're legit people all supporting trump. Like if I recall my memory, only 1 comment was a lady not supporting trump, almost everything else is trump support. I have a feeling it's this shot to the ear that is making him some kind of hero in the public eye, and I think a previous event before that. It's just very off because the support is very emotional in nature too, much more than usual. Id understand maybe if 20% was fake bots, but literally when I say 99% is trump support I mean that (in the social media comments), and Ive been paying attention to this for a while now. At this point my hunch is that anyone who even shows support for biden will be the odd one out in the comments, getting attacked. Someone on Owen's comment section showed support for biden and he was called a fascist (the irony lol)

Social media is wild right now, literally 99%+ of comments sections for the past few weeks have been MAGA trump supporters .. Biden for sure lost, What times are we living in that most of america wants a convicted felon to be our president.

I've been noticing a theme with Leo's videos a lot, which is to first and foremost cultivate a deep passion and love for life. Today I have been doing a lot of reflection and journaling, and thinking about my past and future. There's a lot of problems in life, with family, harsh circumstances now and in the future, and I started to wonder when will I be happy? after 5 years of all day grindy work until I reach my goals? Then I looked back and I'm not sure how much psychological growth I've had, in the past 8 years of personal development work. I mean, I know I have had, but how much? These past 8 years I've grounded my life in the principle of taking action (although I've been very faulty here), strategy, etc. but I feel its worth living from a place of passion and love for life now, or else I will never truly experience the magic of life. But I wonder, is it worth pursuing this as a project? can you really deepen your love and connection to life? and how much? would turning "cultivating a deep love and passion for life" as a whole ass project, that I proactively work on daily, be worth investing in over the years and decades? Is there true value and true return on my investment? My concern is that I'll be in the same place I am 5 years from now, and my life won't change much. My strategic mind tells me there are more important things in life, that this won't get me to my goals, that I'll be the same person I am 5 years from now, that sure I will experience more loving and happy moments, but not have actual true internal growth? will this project lead to true internal growth? If not, what does lead to true internal growth and psychological growth? My hunch is that this can truly transform my life. Even just in this past hour, grounding myself more in this way of life is making me happier, more hopeful. I feel and can sense a greater shift in self-identity as well. I care a lot for living a good human life, to reach all my goals, etc. I care for spirituality, but not as much as a lot of you guys, and somewhat for Truth, but not so much. I understand that matters more, technically, but that doesn't resonate with me much at the moment. @Leo Gura I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this if you could share. Life right now feels very grindy, and like it'll take me 5 years to get out of the hardcore grind, and I want to use this precious time to really make the most of my time and see what is truly worth pursuing, and investing in. I don't want to waste time, but to invest it properly, and I'm looking for wise ways to invest time that feels worth it. Of course I will invest in health, social skills, etc. but I'm considering primarily investing in the project of cultivating a deep passion and love for life. I really do mean I want to make a whole project out of this, to find ways to deepen that love, to try and experiment with new techniques and experiences, to change my self-identity as part of this project, etc.

Even now I look at my book shelf, of diverse books, and see all these books that can get me from point A to Point B, but that point B is like - once you get there, are you even that happier? that much more connected to life? and change as a person? So how worth it is it that I even spend 5 years actualizing principles from that specific book. Why not just go straight to cultivating that passion and love for life now, in all that I do? But also, where does that even get me? Like okay, I do that, but then what? Apologize for asking these odd questions, but I do feel it matters to me

@Leo Gura How is this man not in prison? charged on all accounts, still gets to run for president? supreme court immunity ruling, involvement with a criminal organization, i mean all in front of the public eye and every part of america is just letting this happen? It doesnt make sense .. US law is actually pretty good compared to the whole world, we actually abide by it, its well respected, america has great infastructure, so how does a solid system allow one man to get away with so much like this though ... Im starting to think that we hold the position of "president" as dictatorial to some degree, before trump was ever elected, Im not sure, im just trying to get an understanding of all this, but thats the only explanation I have. "If you're the president we'll let pretty much everything slide" - America ?