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@Leo Gura I still dont understand how or even if they are actually stupid. For years Ive been listening to Joe Rogan, Owen Cook, Naval Ravikant, Lex Fridman .. about 95% of these people still when I look at it, they are intelligent (at least thats what I still think, maybe I'm wrong) .. but then it was a shock to my system how they can not see the massive corruption of Trump and Musk. This made me really look at all of these people from a new angle and re-evaluate my whole approach to personal development. I have almost severed their teachings to a very narrow domain for my growth and ignore most of what they're saying because I unconsciously let a lot of their worldviews infect my thinking, and its like a shock to my system thats been there for the past 4 months. It's still shocking because I'm now left without most of the people I look upto, now all shoved to the corner, and I guess now Im thinking more for myself. I completely overlooked this stupidity in them, and I still dont understand how these intellectuals have this side of stupidity to them. I understand the vast majority of trolls who lack any form of intelligence. But to have such big name folks take up a lot of the personal development sphere be so wrong on this level is such a wake up call.

@Leo Gura Then its worse than I imagine, you're implying that their whole structural thinking is something that I don't understand. Because from my POV, or even many on this forum, I don't see how people even think from this perspective. In a sense it should be so obvious as the facts are clearly laid out on the table and people can't see them. I don't know what kind of frame of mind they are coming from. Maybe this is stranger than I thought.

@Leo Gura If covid lost him the election, indicating possibly he's a considerable factor in the death of many, how does america make another same deadly mistake again? This time in the form of climate, butchering medicaid, etc. which is also another deadly mistake, quite literally. It's like: America back then: gets hurt and feels pain for how he handled Covid America before new election: Yay make america great again America now: oh no he hurt us again Doesn't make sense.

@aracid wow I dont know you but Im so happy you got out of this, and wow that is quite a story and experience .. and brave of you to keep pushing through, amazing. Glad you're back.

@Leo Gura I don't know much about Ralston but I mean lets test that assumption that high consciousness is the major factor in a successful marriage. How much does Ralston value family? Does he value consciousness more than family? What if he developed himself to such a high degree that made him unsuitable with his partner? Sadhguru is a conscious workaholic in a way, what if Peter Ralston was one too? Alan Watts was an alcoholic despite being conscious, so why does consciousness translate to a good worldly life? To even get to where Ralston got to consciousness wise I don't see it that realistic to have such a high value for family, marriage, and worldly sort of love. I mean the guy looks like a hardass to begin with, how in touch is he with adventure, romance, kindness, etc. that even make for a good marriage? I get it though. I know it will be a difficult tree to climb. Its on my mind a lot. But to climb the tree of not being married is just as hard of a tree to climb. I also know people who are not married. My uncle is a very depressed alcoholic. These people get lonelier over the years, depressed, too in their heads, many overly attached to work, a lack of meaning, and then in their later years they enter a nursing home and no family for love. It's just like what alternative do you want because they both are doing to be difficult roads.

@Leo Gura That is true. 98% of married couples I know are passive, tired, etc. They are not in deeply happy, loving marriages. But these same people apply no mastery to life itself, nor anything they do. The default for 98% of people is passiveness, which is why they are fed up in marriages. There are definitely serious challenges to monogamy. But I also see serious challenges to a life of any other alternative as well. Also even just questioning the idea of being "fed up" at all. I know that feeling, and I experience that every now and then with every area of life. Life itself can get tiring, any path warrants involves experiences of being bored or tired or fed up with it. But I think that's its own problem that needs working on, structurally. That's also part of every path, as even described in the book mastery.

@Leo Gura I get what you're saying. I too would probably be absolutely miserable in a factory location. I am always diving deep into new experiences, projects, creative ideas that no one has done before, etc. Even I prefer polyamory over monogamy. I can see myself being polyamorous for maybe another 8 years. But there are some downsides to choose a life of polyamory. Imagine you're 70 years old, with no family. How long would you chase new partners? Would you have the energy to at that age? How much value can you provide to another partner at that age without having built up much with them? If you run into a health problem that would make it hard to care for yourself at that age, would you rather be in a nursing home or be with a family that loves you in your own home? Even I have no desire to settle right now, but if you think long-term enough, these things are very worth considering. In polyamory you are not investing in any relationship truly, there's limits on depth, etc. I think you are missing the point of many deep joys that a life of monogamy can bring. Maybe you are an exception that for you truth is the highest priority in life, and there is some untruth in monogamy perhaps. But the alternative is not a life most people would end up being happy with long-term. And on the other side of the coin, by the logic of getting fed up with one partner, you could just as easily be fed up of jumping from partner to partner over time. Or if you decide no partner, and to pursue just truth, you may find that 20 years later you are in a state of deep loneliness because there's something in your biology that wants another partner to share a life with. You can be essentially fed up with any path you choose then.

@Davino It seems like that's what he implied. But if that's not his point, what is? Because if he's saying you will get fed up with the same person over time, sounds pretty clear that's his point .. That humans need a degree of newness in the beings they come across.

@Leo Gura well thats pretty demotivating as I'll want to get married at some point. But also is that completely true? Romance -> Drudgery? I understand romance fading, but I can imagine intimacy, depth, love can be increased. Is it possible that as you mentioned in the past that you're not interested in "human games", that you haven't invested deeply into aspects like intimacy, depth, love and romance. But I can imagine if a couple is constantly going on adventures, inventing newness now and then, applying requisite variety and proactively works on their relationship, they can achieve mastery in relationship, depth and love? Also I believe you are still in the pickup phase mostly in your life, even if you've been in relationships, as I am as well. But at some point if true relationship was a very high priority to you, wouldn't your whole attitude, mindsets, etc. shift? Also what about people who reach old age and are still intrinsically doing romantic things for each other and stuff? I'm sure many even get it on lol. I guess I'm asking isn't it too simplistic of a notion to say that romance turns into drudgery without taking into account many other factors? @Princess Arabia also brought up a good point that your pursuit of truth hasn't faded, so doesn't that invalidate your claim that the brain is designed to lose interest in the same thing? In my own life I also know my dad has really loved me lol for 29 years, and sometimes it surprises me how much he does, and he hasn't even applied any form of mastery to our relationship .. so I don't know I find it confusing and hard to believe that romance can turn to drudgery if one achieves mastery in these areas of life. Some of us care a lot about these things and truly value these aspects of life, and I feel like if its a value to someone their experience in that area has a different way of thinking about all this?

@Leo Gura It seemed like also from your blog post you're considering going back on a more regular posting thing? If so, did something change for the better? And regarding the same blog post, is this rationality video meant to accomplish the same goals as previous actualized.org content or is this introducing a new path of work? Reducing ideology, dogma, self-deception, etc. and increasing our understanding of reality or perhaps a new line of work on ourselves? I can distinctly remember you introducing me to the field of creativity, and since then I've been going into that line of work deeper and deeper and its truly a whole field of life mastery, for example.

@Leo Gura It has been on my mind for days. I have been listening to Owen's old videos, and I just absolutely do not understand what happened to him. I did a lot of deep analysis on this, because beyond just owen, it makes no sense how a human being so involved in eating healthy, traveling the world, interesting creative ideas, so funny I can never stop laughing in some of his videos, somewhat deeply philosophical, a nice chill prescence turns into a hardcore trump supporter, he posts andrew tate on his instagram stories, has more hate towards some relationships in the past, I think he might have mentioned becoming christian, far more angrier as a human being, way less adventurous, looks like he's not taking care of himself physically even like he used to, and one of his recent courses was absolute garbage compared to his past courses like blueprint decoded. I mean I just really don't understand how someone so deep into personal development turned out this way. I personally think something else is going on. What is it? I doubt he got radicalized, because he has always been open-minded. I think his dark past may have caught up with him and won. I can't see any other way someone so on top of his life has become this way. On the other hand is talks are still enlightening to this day, and I'm sure a lot of him is still high quality. Like I know he's a solid public speaker still. But I went in person to see him, and I couldn't stand a lot of it. And he treated his kid really poorly on stage, just putting him down over and over again, emotionally manipulating him like I imagine he might have done to some women. I say all this not to put Owen down. I have immense respect for him for what he's done over the years in terms of contribution to humanity. I just don't understand how he has become like this. Then again it shocked me how a lot of the popular intellectuals I listened to all turned out to be trump supporters, but Owen's case shocked me the most because it seems like many parts of his life took a 180.

@sda I have a friend who is 30 years old and has white hairs, he still looks like he's in his mid 20's. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that you're aging in the way you're thinking. Not sure about the white hair though, but as far as your body overall, I don't think that's the case. I know people in their 20s who also look old too who don't have white hair. So I think these factors are not as tied as you might think. I could be wrong though, these are just my observations.

@Daniel Balan of course

@Daniel Balan This is something that stood out from the PDF if you truly have tried everything, this could be a solid solution.

@Daniel Balan I copy pasted your posts on this forum and pasted it into "Deep Research", its a really good AI agent by Open AI that scours through tons of sources online intelligently to deeply analyze a situation, as another mentioned on this forum. As Leo also suggested to search Reddit, I made sure the deep research included many sources from reddit. I went through a good amount of this response, and actually found some good answers. On a high level, what I understood is that a "combo" of solutions works for people, and this issue was somewhat quite prevalent. I wouldn't give up hope as there are many "combos of solutions" here that you can try. I'd do some research though on a specific solution to assess its safety first though. In this PDF attached there are many such combos. There's also potential causes, etc. It's a long document, but I believe its worth reading a good amount of it. I actually did read some cases on reddit here that solved it "80%" or "beat it" as in 100% from my understanding, so hopefully you can read through this, find solutions you haven't tried and implement them systematically. In one of Leo's videos he talks about requisite variety to solve a problem, you systematically try one solution after another. You become more creative than the problem itself. I believe that's how Leo discovered the carnivore diet after trying a lot of different solutions, which helped him a lot. (If I got that correctly) I hope this gets resolved. Don't give up hope. I recall finding a solution for a problem when I thought no solution existed. The solution existed, I just thought I tried it all. But I didn't. I'm sure there are solutions you can try. Wish you the best of luck. PDF link