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@Leo Gura Which RSD teacher would you recommend? I find Owen and Julien very obnoxious and do not resonate with them at all. I resonate a lot more with Todd, is he good if you ever gamed with him?

I used to personally be VERY VERY insecure about my looks. Now i am a lot better in that regard, if a girl rejected me because of how i look i would feel a bit hurt but overall i do not care about them that much anymore as soon as i am taking care of my appearance within my control. However, when i used to be very insecure i used to go to Youtube or google and write things like "do looks matter" or "how much do looks matter" and 95% of videos were about guys, not about girls. So guys are the insecure ones worrying and caring about their looks so much. Also i noticed often in Leo's attraction videos a lot of comments saying you need looks to get girls.Even Leo has said that he was very insecure about his looks before he started pick up. Blackpill is another example of people obsessing about looks. In the past men did not care about looks so much. They had the paradigm that if he was successful and cool he would get girls, looks were not that important in their minds. Why these days they have become so important FOR THEM. This is not about what attracts females, female attraction has not really changed on a fundamental level for thousands of years. What has changed is the perceived importance of what guys need to get girls. I feel that maybe online dating made looks to be perceived as more important since online dating is super popular these days and online dating is look focused. I am asking this mostly out of curiosity. Also, it really breaks my heart when i talk either online or in person with guys that have these beliefs that if they are not good looking they will struggle a lot with girls and i try to make them feel more hopeful. Thank you for your time

@SamC I did NOT say that females are NOT insecure about their looks in orange culture. They are and A LOT. What i meant is that why are guys insecure about LOOKS and not SUCCESS and money at the same extent. That is what i meant.

@Leo Gura I enjoy plenty of parts of Jordan Peterson content and your video analysis was really amazing. Thank you

@Peter Miklis I am not saying whether looks are important. I was talking about the perceived importance of looks in the general male population. Female attraction triggers have not really changed on thousands of years on a fundamental level. Tall and handsome was attractive before and it is now. Same for confidence humor etc. What has changed is the PERCEIVED importance of looks. Why this change in perceived importance of looks. Why were guys from 50 years ago not so worried about "i am not tall enough or my jaw is not defined enough" etc like they do these days. What has changed? That was my question in case i was not clear on my initial thread. PS: @SamC @Preety_Indiathanks everyone for your replies, the stage orange explanation makes sense for the most part. However i still do not understand why the materialism for guys is so looks focused. Knowing stage orange if would make more sense if guys would become more insecure about their status or financial wealth than they looks. It makes sense for stage orange society to have female insecure about their looks and guys insecure about their success, money, house, cars etc but i usually see more insecure guys about looks than anything else. Hmmmmmmm

@Leo Gura Interesting how this adds up with you saying that "i used to be a huge nice guy to girls".

Amazing video i found on the topic by someone who probably has had sex with dozens of girls in relationships or married. Take note people.

@Carl-Richard There are multiple factors, i just said one of them. Gender is not the only factor as feminist complain these days. Btw: I have a question though, what right do males have in America in 2021 that females do not. All the historical examples are nice and shows that feminism was important but these days, is it really? What more can females achieve towards gender equality? Do you have anything to say to this?

@Leo Gura I have a question though, what right do males have in America in 2021 that females do not. All the historical examples are nice and shows that feminism was important but these days, is it really? What more can females achieve towards gender equality? Only argument i can think of is the gender pay gap, however Peterson made an excellent argument once on an interview that the reason females get paid less is because females in general are more agreeable than males are. Agreeable person=easier to pay him less and companies obviously love to maximize profits so they will try to get away with paying people as little as possible. With males that is harder due to their more dominant nature. A female that acts like a guy will not get paid less. It is not a gender issue, it is a agreeable vs non agreeable personality issue. That is what he said and it makes a lot of sense to me. I used to be very agreeable and it was a lot easier for others to screw me over or not do me justice because of that.

@Preety_India Girls get angry when they get pumped and dumped and call guys pigs for it

@Preety_India What i am saying was a response to your comment "guys are picky about average girls but for hot girls they become like starved dogs and are willing to drop all their self respect". Well the thing is a guy will not really treat a hot girl any better in an honest way. He will just try to fuck her if all she has is hotness. Moral of the story: Looks without personality will not help a girl in having a good dating life.

@Preety_India So a guy that just uses you for sex and gives 0 shits about you is something that girls would like?

@Preety_India Girls are so funny. They see guys acting desperate for hot girls and they think those guys want to give the hot girls love and a committed relationship when they just want to pump and dump them or to have them as fuck buddies. Looks without personality on a hot girl will not make you anything more than a fuck buddy in the eyes of guys, which i doubt is what most girls want. It will also get you an army of simps to do favors for you with again, the intention of purely fucking you.

Why the fuck are you guys having this disccusion on this sub forum and then complaining to Leo about it when you barely have done any work regarding this stuff. You are telling Ronaldo how to shoot his shots basically. This stuff is way too deep and mystical for normies here to understand and lecture people that have dedicated their life to this stuff.

@Alexo45 If you are good looking just use online dating. You will get dates and avoid approaching although i would recommend it just to conquer your fears. As a good looking guy it is very easy to get laid if you actually want these days so just use some online dating and get your needs met.

That is like asking do you like being manipulated? Nobody does if you ask it like that but it works. Otherwise it would not exist. Being a high value is 1 thing but gaming girls is basically manipulating them into sleeping with you. Just like sales is manipulating the customer to buy your product. By manipulation i do not mean screwing people over with a shitty product, it just means having them do what you want. It can be done more ethically like by arguments, demonstration of value etc or less ethically like lying, hyperbolic statements etc.

Interesting how these incel talk question shit did not exist before 2000. Technology and social media really fucked things up.

@Leo Gura Well you can use some logic for most of RSD staff, a lot of them have been caught up with not attractive wives/gfs (nothing wrong in principle but if you claim to be dating god it is a bit offsetting). You have said yourself that John is good at getting results and even his haters say that his game is legit, only issue is his personality and behavior as a human being. However those 2 unfortunately are kinda independent variables. It is like taking public speaking lessons from Hitler or something hahahah. I would not trust RSD more than i trust John or any of the other PUAs, they all seem like pieces of shit to me but good teachers to how to get laid. I watched some of Tyler old videos that were posted here and even though what he said was very good i found his style of teaching unbelievable obnoxious, like no need to scream every 2 minutes for no reason you know .

@Shin What about kind instead of nice?

@Leo Gura You make it seem like being a scumbag makes dating easier. Yes it does in the sense that you give 0 shits about the girls so it is easier to manipulate them into a close with you (example of waking up early for work), however in terms of attraction they are not connected. You can be charming, funny and charismatic and confident and independent without being narcissistic or an asshole. Yes, it is easier to be confident and independent when you are narcissistic however true confidence is not narcissism. I think people when they try to improve their confidence fall into the trap of narcissism because it is very convenient and ego friendly. Just like people fall into rich quick schemes easily when they re trying to make money. However, you can be humble and confident at the same time, it is just harder and takes more inner work. I am really surprised how girls that talk about loyalty and that shit all the time can even sleep with him considering how easy is it (due to internet) to see who he is. Imagine a guy starting to date a girl that is really hot and then he finds out she has cheated every time and is a shitty person. He would get the fuck out of there or just keep the girl as a fuck buddy. At least a non retarted guy would.

@Leo Gura Interesting how the "awesome guy" in this case is a narcissistic, selfish, manipulative sociopath that brags about banging other guys wives that has struck you as a "scummy". I would never imagine i would have to listen to such low conscious selfish people about "how to be an awesome guy". I am just trying to pick the gold nuggets and remove all the narcissism and selfishness from it. Separate gold from shit basically.

@Roy They sell because their stuff works better than "highly conscious sources". Simple as that. People buy and listen to what works, not what is "highly conscious". If girls were attracted to high conscious behavior then these guys would go bust really fast, thing is they do not for good reason. Expecting guys to give high conscious advice when girls attraction triggers are so low conscious is a fantasy. It is like trying to appeal salad and broccoli to a bunch of starving kids. They do not want that, they want high calorie high fat foods not to starve.

@Preety_India Because men right movements are usually toxic as fuck and very misogynistic. Red pill is the best example of them. Good thing they are not super mainstream even though some of the principles they have are quite accurate (but toxic). Usually weak guys get no empathy and are punished both by females (by not being desirable to be loved by them) and also by society at large (you are a men be strong, dont be like a little bitch!, that attitude). Personally i think everyone should be strong and independent but the thing with guys is that if they are weak their survival value gets lower A LOT MORE than if females are weak, therefore guys have stronger survival reasons to be strong. Usually when females abuse a guy it happens often because the guy is acting not properly than anything else, the guy can easily change his situation if he wants to. A guy on the other hand can easily overpower you and there is nothing you can do about it. Therefore females get more sympathy when they are abused than guys do and rightfully so.

@Leo Gura Or she is just not attracted to you and/or compatible and nothing will change that. PUAs make it like it is your fault for every failure and that is not true. Some girls just will not sleep with you and there is nothing you can do about it. Some of course, not all. Talk to a lot and some will hook hard.

@Leo Gura It is not about owning you sex. I am not saying the person is cruel because she rejected someone. Everyone rejects people. The issue is HOW you do it. If you play with people feelings like that, that is what is fucked up. She can just tell him she is not interested in him and let him go, instead of basically getting him to fall for her and then cut ties and crush him like that. This is basically emotionally manipulation and playing not a rejection. You often complain about PUAs hurting girls, how is this any different? This type of behavior is done by both sexes and is fucked up.