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@Leo Gura The how to get laid/conscious relationships videos would be really helpful for that.

@Preety_India Thing is that these things are very cultural dependent. In India and most conservative countries it is as you say. However in more western countries it is not. I know a lot of guys that would love if a woman approached them but it never happens so they approach. There is nothing wrong with guy having to approach but you complain about being approached which is a paradox. How would you fix this issue? Force guys to reach a certain level of "value" before being given the right to approach? LOOOL. Please be realistic. I would love if you girls opened your legs after 1 hour of chatting but you do not and i understand that it is unrealistic and selfish as fuck and do not complain about it. You basically are asking for square circles here. @wwhy I was just saying that because she complained about being approached by guys, so i told her if you do not like to be approached by guys then maybe you should approach instead.

@Preety_India I do not know about your experiences but usually guys will give girls a chance as long as they are somewhat attracted to them if she approaches the guy. Some are dicks i guess but usually they will not be more rude than girls will be.

@Preety_India If you women approached guys this situations would not happen. Guy almost never gets approached so of course he is forced to approach. What is he supposed to do? He will not get approached so he is forced to approach. Male privilege is get rejected dozens of times and feel unlovable? What kind of privilege is that?

@Preety_India They are all superficial things based on survival. Confidence, charisma, money, status, power, hot tits, hot ass, feminine behavior etc it is all superficial. You treat looks as superficial and confidence, charisma, ambition, humor, money, and status as not superficial. THEY ARE ALL EQUAL SUPERFICIAL. They are based on selfish survival which has nothing do to with truth or actualization. Also i am talking about society here at large, stop making it personal please. It is not about me or you or anyone else replying here. Society values hot girls and successful guys. You keep saying "high actualized people" do not care about that. Well 99 percent of people are not that and they care about that. This is about the average chimp of society not about some actualized budha person. Most people you will interact with will not be game B kinda people.

@Consept That is exactly what i meant.

@Preety_India Personally i would date an average looking girl if i liked her personality. Even a bit below average. Most guys would not if they did not find the girl physically attractive. Maybe i would. This is not about me for the 100th time, i care about looks far less than 90 percent of guys out there including Leo. To me feminine behavior is much more attractive than looks are. However society in a large scale tends to differ and that is not my fault, problem or wish. Secondly i love how you girls here make guys feel bad about caring about looks a lot like it is something bad. Meanwhile same girls care about equally superficial stuff like confidence, charm, status and money. Both are equally superficial and say nothing about your inner personality in the end. Some of the most fucked up people in the world are confident charming famous and rich. Why don't you feel bad about liking such guys? Why should guys feel bad about liking hot girls. Again personally i care about looks FAR less than most guys but that is because i am a bit feminine in this regard. Most guys especially the masculine ones you crave are VERY look focused and there is nothing wrong with that. Both genders like superficial stuff anyway.

@wwhy I was talking about guys not girls. Girls have value based on looks so you are just proving my point. A homeless shy girl that looks good is 100 times more valuable than a homeless shy guys that looks good. ofc if the guy looks as good as model then he can get a modelling jobs hence no longer homeless haahhahahah. But by looking good i mean just good not 10/10 good.

@wwhy A homeless shy person can be the most caring and kind person you ever met. Does society care about that? NO! He will be seen as a loser by most of society and no girl will be attracted to him.

@Display_Name Thank you for understanding what i meant and not making this a personal attack on the guys of this forum.

I love how when i say a simple observation about how society and survival works this whole forum goes ablaze and they start talking about how stage orange this section is etc. GUYS IF YOU DID NOT NOTICE SOCIETY IS MOSTLY STAGE ORANGE, of course what is considered high value will be based purely on survival. When you guys say integrity trustworthiness etc is high value well it is it not on our society. I doubt the most successful people have a lot of those qualities, they are mostly selfish devils. Devilry is rewarded these days, not human decency. When it comes to dating, value is purely on survival terms. A kind caring person is worthless in survival terms, hence his value in society regarding dating is low. A kind caring fat girl and a kind caring weak wimp guy will not have success on the dating market. Denying this is like denying that water is wet and fire is hot.

@Leo Gura Even if being awake was as simple as 5000 hours of meditation still 0.0000001 percent would be awake. It is not that you JUST need godly genes, it is just that the benefits are not quantifiable, measurable and most importantly have a steep curve. Imagine telling someone to meditate for 1000 hours before he started to get noticeable results. Good luck with that. Btw i am not disagreeing with your claims regarding the importance of genetics. I am just saying that even with the right genetics it would be difficult given the state of our society right now.

Personally i would date an actualized girl even if she was not conventionally beautiful. You can be high value, actualized and understand how society works at the same time. I said very explicitly that these things are disgusting, unfair and very survival oriented. You are blaming the messenger because you do not like the message, you see i did not create society or survival, i just report what i see. And for a guy i can assure you that women do not fall for your soul or any of that bullshit girls keep saying. They fall for traits that you can have and still be a piece of shit person. Some of the most successful guys with girls are the biggest assholes out there. Watch Leo's video on Why women fall for assholes for more clarification. Stop making this personal about me.

@Emerald I never said that guys would want that. I said guy is valued on society a lot more because of what he does and because of how he acts, not because of how he looks. The fact that those girls get so much freebies and people talking to them as you say is a pure sign of high value. High value guys get the same treatment. A rich famous person will get just as many girls wanting to fuck him as a 9/10 hot girl will. There is a reason the expression: "Get laid like a rock star" exists. Rock star guy= Hot girl, in terms of society value. Yes selfish value but we do not live in enlightenment land, we live in selfish survival land.

Saying hot girls do not get better treatment and more opportunities than non hot girls is pure delusion. It even happens for guys but for girls that difference is 10x bigger. Otherwise, girls would not spend so much money, time and mental energy caring for about their looks. Why are plastic surgeries done almost exclusively by females. Go and call a girl fat and ugly and see how much that hurts her. Why? Because she knows how much that affects the quality of her life. Yes i am talking about value in terms of pure selfish survival value but majority of the population is at that level right now. We are talking generalities here. Me and you probably are a bit above that due to Leo's work.

@aurum There definitely is, especially for wife material stuff. However i was referring more to getting princess like treatment rather than marriage stuff. When i say they have high value in society because of looks, this is what i am referring to. Of course this is a bit over the top for humor but not too far away from real life. Only works for really hot girls though (8.5/10 plus). For guys, only rich guy celebrities would get this kind of treatment. A male model will not (at least not that much).

@Joel3102 They matter for sure but i do not think not hot girls with great personality get free trips in Dubai and 1000 simps willing to donate to them the same way than a hot girl with meh personality will. A rich successful alpha guy has the same value in society as super hot girl does. That is why they often end up together.

@wwhy Dude why do hot girls get so many offers, great treatment etc by society. Because they are valuable. I am not saying whether you would date one, i am saying a hot girl will be treated like a princess by society a lot more than non hot girls will. I am talking about ego survival here.

This is not about me or you. This is about how SOCIETY as a whole, what it values. Of course people in a super advanced self development forum would not just care about girls looks. But this is about society not members of this forum.

@Leo Gura Agreed. Pure James Bond only works if you are very good looking or/and famous. Otherwise a mix between playful and badass is better. Btw i thought non-neediness and confidence were the most important thing in game. How would you rank them from most to least important, so non neediness, confidence and playfulness.

@Leo Gura I think when they say James Bond attitude they mean how icy and nonreactive he is. Girls can throw 1000 shit tests on him and he will pass them in a witty relaxed way. He is the epitome of relaxed, i don't give a fuck whether you like me or not attitude. You can take those elements of him and incorporate more laughing, silliness, more expressive, funny etc. You do not have to imitate him 100 percent, just take what works and add it to your own stuff. I mean can you imagine James Bond being hinged if a girl rejects him? He will give 0 fucks. That attitude is what every guy needs.

Because women are supposed to lock 1 high quality guy while guys are supposed to fuck as many girls as possible and spread their quality genes. If guy sleeps around a lot be is considered successful in his survival mission. If a girl sleeps around a lot she is failing at her survival mission. Her job is to grow the kids of the high quality guy while the high quality guy makes as many babies as possible and protects them and the mothers from threats. This is the natural state of humans and it became also cultural. It has been cultural for thousands of years and it worked just fine due to the nature of society. These days we no longer live in those difficult times and therefore that strategy became obsolete. No longer needed for survival. However, culture and biology have not evolved fast enough to catch up. It is fucked up, i know but that is how it is. Hope this clarifies it.

@Leo Gura How is your health after the 14 day fast that you did? Did it help in any way?

@Rilles And the politics section brings out all the toxic Blue AND Orange of the forum hahahahahah

@Preety_India Thing is that guys are willing to settle for a lot less than they claim to if you talk with them. So even though IN THEORY guys want to bang hot girls, most of them will fuck an average one and that is the end of it. What guys say and do in this case is very different, they will fuck girls that they act like "oh this is not my type, i can do better than that" all the time. Plus since guys have to approach but hate doing it (lots of them at least) they will basically settle for anything they can get. So do not really trust what guys say and think girl needs to look like a model to find a partner. A 5/10 looking girl will have more choices that she can capitalize on as long as she is actually talking to people.