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@Leo Gura My issue is not approaching at all. I have met a lot of girls and stuff, the issue lies with what happens after the approach, not with the approach itself. The advice you have given me regarding flirting escalation etc is the problem and i am actively trying to correct it, approaching is the easy part for me . When i say by existing i mean when i act "normal" or "typical" instead of trying to use game on them.

@Leo Gura Thank you very much. Unlike a lot of my guy friends i rarely get choosing signals from girls (indicators of interests etc) just by existing so i am trying to learn how to attract them using my personality instead of my appearance. Your input is helpful, thank you.

@Leo Gura The only issue i have with the typical attraction theory and hook points etc is that it is basically made for pick up in a club, bar, park etc. What about social circle, or meeting girls through work, university, common organisations etc. I met a lot of girls in this way as i am a student but does this still work? This hook point 30 minute stuff? What if you do not have the time to talk to them straight for 30 minutes but just a couple?

@Roy Or maybe because people these days are way too paranoid and scared.

@Preety_India Forcing myself to get kicked out of a club seems like a great idea!

@Preety_India How so? Btw why the fuck would someone get kicked out of a club for talking to people as long as it is done in a respectful way. It defies all logic.

@Leo Gura What is a chod? Beta? Loser? Weak?

When you realize it is one of the richest state of one of the richest countries in the world.

@Vladimir You can also admire hitler for his public speaking skills. I do not think Leo admires PUA attitude and goals but their skill set. How you use the skill set is up to you.

@Gesundheit2 What he is saying is technically correct. However he is ignoring the fact that guys are just as bad. Imagine Stalin calling Hitler a mass murderer, well that is true but also stalin is a mass murderer

@Javfly33 Not much. I have done it in house parties because i am in university but not in an actual nightclub. I also did some in class where i would start talking to girls in my class. My aim was to be comfortable with introducting myself to strangers and get good at small talk, not pick up girls. So i was focusing on getting better at those things, not necessarily flirting or escalation. I would also talk to guys even though i am straight because again my point was to improve my social skills in general. It did work and i got quite decent at it but i still suck with girls because flirting and escalation are still concepts i have little experience at. I am good at teasing though Being good at small talk and conversations and introduction yourself etc help with girls but not as much as flirting or escalation skills. It is good that you do not drink when trying to be social. I think it is good to maybe use alcohol as a tool to learn more about yourself and game a bit drunk but do not use it as a crutch. Game a few times drunk, learn the lessions and then never drink anymore when you try to be social. There is nothing more lame than those guys that are very cold and antisocial and quiet when sober and when they get drunk they become super loud, fun and friendly. Locals in the country where i live are like that. DO NOT RELY ON ALCOHOL TO BE SOCIAL PLZ The bigger the difference between your sober and drunk state, the more inner issues you have that need to be addressed.

Leo is right here, 5-6 approaches will not be enough at all. If you can do that many approaches as a total noob it means you have potential, you will grow fast. Especially when you are sober, being drunk tbh makes it quite easy. Imagine going to the gym for 1 week and complain your body did not change, it is basically similar logic. Imagine going to 2 language classes and complain you cannot really speak the language yet. Another example.

Drop your desire to try to undersand or even care about such stuff. I did for a long time and it just makes you angry and bitter. Females are humans and therefore are full of biases and try to abuse the system whenever they can to fit their own survival agenda. If she can get away with a guy paying fo her stuff (which is the traditional thing to do) WHILE getting total equal treatment in terms of not doing chores, cooking etc then ofc she will. We are all selfish in the end. Imagine if you could be able to get a sweet feminine girl (traditional girl) that is also very easy to fuck, pays for her shit and loves you for being nice and meek, you would take it for sure. Both genders are selfish, biased and only care about their own agenda , not truth or being fair. I would like these threads to be gone in the future here because caring about such stuff will not improve your life. I could also write a long thread explaining the hypocricy of guys that would be equally triggering for all females reading it. It is not hard to point out selfishness of both sexes. I will give you one simple example out of many: "Guys want girls to sleep with them on the first date or otherwise she is a "bitch", on the meanwhile they judge girls for sleeping around a lot". Quite paradoxical dont you think?

@Vzdoh Ok fair points. That is because it is a lot easier to have genuine confidence when a guy is good looking, does not mean it cannot happen though. Otherwise as i said you would never see an average guy with a hot girl, however you do from time to time. Plenty of players are average looking and still managed to get results. But yes it is rare and not suprised you did not see it. I personally have met guys that pull it off but you can tell when you meet them easily. I think vibe is just as important as looks and vibe is noticed asap, you do need to talk much to tell.

@Vzdoh So you care about vibe now, not just looks Maybe you arent but other girls are. How do you think guys below 5/10 get laid by hot girls? I am sure you see it from time to time.

No i would not. Everyone has the right to go for what they want and what they think is best for them. Getting "offended" for such a thing is the definition of arrogance and narcisism. Now would i date her? That depends. But neither way i would admire her courage because putting yourself on the line deserves some respect when done in a cool way.

@Vzdoh Value for guys and girls is assymetrical. The comparison is false. Imagine a weak needy loser that has no job and has 0 confidence approach you. That would be the equivalent of the ugly fat girl. Most players would prove you wrong.

@TK2021 Value for guys is not just looks but other stuff. A 4/10 looking guy can have other things that give him the same sexual value as a 8/10 looking girl. Yes the differences of sexes should be taken into considertion indeed.

It is exactly this kind of attitude that make guys insecure around girls they consider attractive. How about instead of this negative stuff saying something like: Respect to that guy for actually having the balls and going for what he wants even if according to society it is out of his league. As long as he was not rude or mean or harrasing you then no need for such negative vibe. How are they supposed to behave? From 1 side you girls tell guys to be confident and cool and then when they actually act confident you say this stuff. So basically you only want "handsome" guys to be confident and anyone else is outside your periphery. This attitude is exactly what creates incels. Maybe those 4s have other things to offer? Honestly i expect more from girls in this forum, if a guy wrote this it would be labeled as misogonistic shallow hate. I do not blame Leo and most guys i know in real life for telling me not to listen to girls, listening to them ruins your self-esteem. This is a good example why.

I have so far interacted with people from dozens and dozens of countries because i study in a very international programme and i live in a very cosmopolitan city, also i have traveled quite a bit especially in Europe where i live. I tend to be very fascinated by history, geography and economics and have noticed that USUALLY (not always so please do not give me this 1 example that is different), people that come from richer countries tend to be less friendly and warm. Also countries with warmer climate tend to be warmer and unfortunately there seems to be some correlation in the modern day between wealth and weather. Rich countries tend to have colder/less sunny weather and also colder people. By cold i do not mean necessarily rude or mean. Cold i mean how friendly and hospitable they are. You will rarely have for example people inviting you straight to their home in northen europe, usa or japan/south korea while in southern europe, south asia and the middle east such behavior is more common. I noticed countries from the Middle east (muslim culture) to be extremly warm hearted and hospitable. The hate they get is really sad. Also stuff like small talk, emotional expressivity, the idea of paying or treating someone else, inviting people to your home, opening up relatively fast etc etc are some of the things that differ. Another observation i made is that usually on the capital people also tend to be less friendly than in more rural areas or smaller cities. Either capital or biggest city (usually capital is biggest city that is why i said capital). What do you guys think about this? Disclaimer: I am not saying X quality is good or Y quality is bad. There is nothing wrong with being reserved or quiet. Personally i would be considered so in my home country so i am not hating on "cold" people. Just i always see this correlation and wanted to express it here and get your opinions/thoughts. Kind regards

@Leo Gura Yes of course she would rather get fucked by a strong asshole, however is that good for her? We are talking about what is healthy for her, not how female attraction works. We all know that. Would you think a guy would be better off with a hot girl that treats him like dirt or an average girl that treats him very well. Personally i think the guy would be much better off with the average girl. How the other person treats you is more important for your overall happinness in the relationship than "evolutionary attraction triggers". Yes we are also attracted to burgers more than salad but that does not mean eating burgers is good for us in 2021. Maybe in tribal times the female would be better off with the strong asshole because he would ensure her survival but these days that is obselete. These days people should be wise enough to care about how they get treated as much as biological triggers. Find a balance. I would dare you Leo to date a very hot girl that treats you like dirt then see how happy you are with just your "biological attraction triggers" getting met while ignoring everything else. Which is exactly what girls do when they date strong assholes that treat them like shit. Of course i understand the female survival agenda but i also think they should be wise enough to see past it considering it it obselete in 2021.

@Javfly33 Yes i have, it is a good movie but not applicable to real life. Please do not use such extreme examples. I can also mention A LOT of PUAs that kill it with girls and have legit rape charges and cheat 24/7 and use it as an example of what a strong guy gets you. Please. @Emerald Leo is saying that some specific things are more attractive for girls than others. He is not saying that ALL girls are attracted to such things but most are. There are guys that have much better results with girls than others. Why so? Because of specific factors. Now these factors come in different flavors. However you cannot say things like confidence, non-neediness, humour, good looks, status, competence etc are not attractive in general. Maybe not every single girl will like a guy for X thing but it is just general trends. Leo has said many times that filling X factor will not guarantee anything but it will increase your chances.

@Knowledge Hoarder @Flowerfaeiry Yes ofc a weak guy can be an asshole too but strenght should not be an indicator whether a girl should sleep with a guy or not for her sake, KINDNESS is. You can be strong and kind or weak and scumbag, of course you can. I just said that if you use strenght as an indicator of a good mate partner in 2021 then you might deal with a scumbag, if you use kindness then you will not deal with a scumbag. A scumbag is worse than a weak guy in 2021, i mean we do not live in tribal days anymore you will not die because the guy is weak. Basically i said prioritizing strenght over kindness will create bad results FOR THE GIRL. We are talking about the female agenda here. A guy should try to become strong too, i agree with that while remaining a decent person. But if you guys had a sister would you rather her date based on how strong the guy's personality is or based on how he treats her. And please do not confuse kindness with niceness those are totally different things. You can be nice with a girl and still be a piece of shit person, niceness with an agenda is not real niceness it is fake shit. Paying for someone's shit 24/7, kissing their ass and allowing them to treat you badly doesnt make you a kind person, it makes you a nice idiot.

@Leo Gura I love how you tend to favour strenght over kindness. Like a girl is being dumb for fucking a weak guy rather than fucking a piece of shit guy. A girl suffers more if she gets attached to a piece of shit guy than if she gets to a weak guy. Of course aim to be strong and kind but if i had a sister i would rather have her date a weak kind guy than a strong asshole, for her sake. I have seen more girls suffer from dating scumbags than i have seen them suffering from dating weak guys. I doubt that is just me. You do not seem to be very critical of scumbags in the dating scene when actually they create more issues than "weak" guys do. Being weak is an issue for a guy, he will suffer because of that. A girl will not suffer. "What is said is a hot women getting fucked by a scumbag that gives 0 shits about her" would be a better response i think.

@Preety_India "The best day in US history". I find that cringe and funny at the same time.