Karmadhi

1. Try to find people that share your hobbies and desires. Maybe join clubs or use the internet to find local communities, maybe go to specific places like libraries or conferences idk. There are plenty of intellectual people out there with which you can have conversations you like. I am the same, i do not like trivial topics too much, i do it but not 100 percent of the conversation. 2. I will give you a new lense to see socialization. Soclization grows you immensly, first it grows you emotionally because it can be difficult. You have to go out of your comfort zone, if you are not natural at it , it will be difficult. That is great. It makes you stronger. Just like the gym does for example. Also, most importantly it will allow you to see the world from more perspectives. Esepcailly if you hang out with somewhat intellectual people, they will have different ideas, views on life. It will enrich your knowledge and help you in your understanding. Try to interact with people different from yourself in terms of views, if you do it mindfully it will benefit you. 3. It is a useful life skill to help advance your survival. Sorry but you will not get as far in life if you lack social skils than if you are social. This should not be your primary motivation though, because it is extrincit. Do it for the intrinstic benefits which i wrote on point 2. 4. In time it will become more fun as you get better at it. Look, i know how you feel. I am also naturally introverted and enjoy my company a lot. However through SHEER EXPERIENCE, over 1000s of hours of socializing i have become quite decent at it and it is worth it. You can be a natural introvert at heart while being outgoing, social fun and cool. One of the benefits of being an introvert is that you are less dependent emotionally from other people. This allows you to be more authentic. Ironically this makes you a more attractive person. Hope it helped, if you have questions do not hesitate to PM me.

@Leo Gura I have a question. From one side you make it seem as if getting girls is a skill game and i mostly agree. Yes, if you are totally not a girl's type you might not be able to attract her but overall there is a lot of skill involved. However on the other side you create this idea that you need to talk to 100 girls to get 1. If you manage to attract 1/100 girls it means that she just through sheer volume found you attractive. It is not skill, it is just looking until you find a girl that finds you attractive physically, thus beating skill. From this perspective PUA does not seem as a way to make yourself more attractive as much as a way to quickly screen girls to find those that will be into you from the start, not attracting them with your personality. I mean if you talk to 200 girls, 1-2 will find you legit handsome and you will not need any game to attract her as long as you are not retarted. Could you or anyone here really, clarify this because i do not understand it.

@KennedyCarter I am not personally enlighted but i find a lot of the gender roles to be false. Basically done because of survival not because they are true per say. Many are outdated. For example there is 0 reason for the woman to be the sole person in the household that does the chores, both can contribute to chores. Also regarding working and providing, both can do it equally well these days for the most part. Only places where i think gender roles are still very relevant would be taking care for the child (females are wired to do it better) and protecting in case of danger (males are the stronger sex, so if for example someone breaks in the house). Outside these very specific things overall i think gender roles are outdated. In the relative realm they are neccessary for survival and therefore work. On the "absolute" term than its all illusion so irrelevant and false. Keep in mind i am talking about developed countries here, in a poor country gender roles are much more prevelant and necessary.

@Roy I went to parties many times with my friends and nobody got laid. You need to approach to get laid on top of "going to bars". Plus i do not like clubs or bars much so i want to minimize going there as much as possible. I would rather meet people through other avenues. I am naturally introverted but social so loud environements do not appeal to me very much in terms of meeting people. I like going there once in a while to unwind but approaching girls is another busienss all together

@Preety_India Thanks i guess I was 21 when the picture was taken though, i look very young for my age.

@Preety_India Yes, he is the most advanced dating coach i have seen. However this comes with him not being the best guy to listen to if you just want to get laid per say.

@Leo Gura That makes logical sense but dating is not just a list of criteria one must meet. There are feelings and emotions involved. Maybe he really likes the girl, maybe he is in love, maybe they have a great connection he doesnt have with most other girls. Finding a girl you are compatible with and enjoy is much harder than just finding an attractive girl. If you have insane strong will and emotional mastery then you can do that however most people cannot.

@Knowledge Hoarder A very small minority, most would be happy with anything.

Females see it from their perspective since they get approached. "Just be social" works for them well. For guys "just being social" will not work if they are unattractive or have very low self-esteem. They need to learn attraction theory, approach a lot of girls and fail a lot, improve their inner game and even then it may not be enough for some hard cases. I had plenty of incels tell me they are social but girls do not like them for the reasons i mentioned above.

Plenty of incels either are social or have tried being social and been treated like shit regarding girls. One example out of many. This incel thing is not as black and white as Leo and some other people here make it seem. "Just go out bro" will not be enough often. You need to change their inner game about them being disgusting, only way for that to properly work is for society as a whole to stop caring so much about looks. Difficult in a materialistic stage orange society. Characters in media like the dwarf from game of thrones or levi from attack on titan being total bosses even though they are not the typical "good looking tall guy" is a good example that should be set more often. On an individual level it is easy to fix your inner game, plenty of positive videos affirmations etc. So if anyone here feels like an incel then it is not that hard for them to escape it. However on a group level you need more work, self help will not cut it. Your whole cultural medium and norms need to change. By group level i mean eliminating it as a problem for society instead of fixing it for 1 specific person that may struggle with it. They are 2 totally different problems that need different solutions with individual level fix being 10 million times easier than a society level fix.

Still wondering why this shit has exploded in popularity in the last 5 years or so. 5 years ago nobody knew or talked about this shit much. These days it has creeped everywhere including this forumn. Would not expect 1/3 of the pictures sent on this actualized forum to be blackpill statistics. Given your trend of making practical videos these days i would love to see your take on this matter. @Yali At least use anectodal advice to justify your limiting beliefes, using "stats" just makes you look stupid. It screams of stage orange obsession with quantification of reality. You can have limiting beliefes about your looks without subcuming to ornage traps.

I think most of these data come from dating apps which is what people these days use as the stample of how to date (covid is huge factor in this persepction). I am sure in real life that data is irrelevant.

If you are very social naturally then you do not really need to do that kind of pick up. You will actively meet people through your lifestyle. However if you are more introvereted then it might be a good idea. Personally use it to learn and test out stuff because you will not embarras yourself as you would in a more friends social setting. Use it as the training mode on a fighting game and then the girls you will meet from your everyday life will be the actual "fight". Hard to be a strong warrior without training.

@Leo Gura Vous parlez français aussi?

@Leo Gura I have a good friend that has totally bought into that very same theory of "a few elites controlling the world for a century" stuff. I have tried talking him out of it but cannot. The thing is he at the same time has quite advanced notions. He fully graps cultural relativism, relativism in general and a lot of "pluralists" ideas. It is just this thing which corrodes his otherwise advanced worldview. I remember when he used to tell me how morality is a man made concept that is very linked with the ego. Back then (before discovering your work and doing the contemplations) i told him that could not be true. What advice should i give him?

I am sorry to hear about your situation. I will try to give you some ideas, although i do not know your situation well 1. Try to communicate with your family, this is the most obvious one. I do not know if this will work though. 2. Maybe consider immigrating in another country. A LOT of indians are moving to western europe and especially germany. Consider it. What is your profession? 3. Consider moving out and limit your contact with them. If you can afford the rent. 4. This is most of a last resort but if you really really need to get married then at least marry someone on your own terms. Someone you actually like yourself. Would not reccomend if you are not feeling ready to get married but better get married with someone you like than someone you despise. Again, only use it as ABSOLUTE last resort.

@Olivia24 What term would you like me use? I said i find average girl to be rude term so i avoid using it. Talk it with preety india not me.

This guys seems to give great results to his clients. Maybe check him out. People tend to complain about him being low consciouss but his products leave a lot of happy clients so idk.

@Preety_India I find "average" girl more demeaning. That is why i said okay looking, to be nice.

@Farnaby Those successful PUAs see ALL girls as a piece of meat that they can conquer and fuck. Feeling entitled to a girl is better than putting her on a pedestal the way good guys do.

@Leo Gura Most people here that complain including most incels in forums NEVER say they want HOT girls, they just want A GIRL. This is just your projection into them, most of these guys would be happy with an okay looking girl. Hot girls of course nobody would turn down but that is not their primary goal. I never spoke with an incel that wanted hot girls, they said they just want an okay looking girl. Big difference here. Of course hot girls are super hard to get, that is common sense. But needing to work so much for an average girl is what annoys these guys. After all an incel is a guy that cannot get laid at all, not a guy that cannot get laid with hot girls. Please make the distinction. Most people do not want to go to clubs 3 times a week. They want 1 girl from their everyday life that they interact with to be into them. You make it as if you are not going into clubs then you will stay home 24/7. Not true at all. But 1 girl out of 200 is crazy ratio to be consistent. It means you are living to get girls and do nothing more. 1 girl out of 10 to be into you should be enough. By rich people mean legit multi millionares. Not some guy that is well off. Having 10 million dollars is much harder than doing 10.000 approaches. Yes of course you are. That is common sense. The thing is what is the percentage that you are fucked with.

@Preety_India Donald Trump is a billionare lol. Rich people dont count nor famous. I mean average guy with maybe some game. anyway you re right i ll just improve myself

@Preety_India you despise pua principles so me improving my game would get me closer to the kind of guy you so despise. i am already doing that anyway though dont worry Did you see hot girls with average guys in sweden netherlands france or any other western/northen european country you have been?

@Farnaby i just hate the idea of seeing a girl i find attractive and feel unable to try with her due to her being legit taller. I come from a culture where it is blasphemy for a girl to date someone shorter, 22 years of such social conditioning is hard to unwire. I ll try to hit on tall girls on purpose to maybe unwire the belief if i get any success

@Preety_India Idk where you come with these ridiculous ideas about what i want. Seems to me like you are projecting your frustrations on me. Dont forget i made a thread about not caring much about looks on a girl. Personally i want an ok looking girl (5.5-6/10 if i have to use the scale) that is kind and intellectual. I am these things myself so i do not think i am asking more than i offer. Will guys want to leech? Of course! Everyone tries to do it. And for your information i have seen hot guys with average lookin girls so often you cannot imagine. Yes those guys are a bit shy and meek but they look good and still get an average girl. As an average looking girl you can get attractive guys if you re ok with them being shy and little game.