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@Leo Gura Would you reccomend daygame at the mall or at parks? I want to give it a try, especially at parks, it suits me for some reason. Keep in mind, i do not care much about how hot the girl is, i just want to improve my skills and talk to them. What opener would you reccomend for a beginner regarding daygame?

@Leo Gura So girls are basically retarted, that is what you are saying. Trust is based on integrity, honesty and good will. For us guys it works like this. I am sure you are correct but it makes girls seem extremly shallow and stupid when you say it like this. No wonder guys just say: girls are so emotional and should not be given positions of power.

Guys can we all stop with this bullshit nice guy, bad boy discussion between guys and girls. It is really getting old! I have been on this forum for over 1 year now and i see this discussion every few threads between the two genders. I admit it, i have also taken part on it but now i realize each side thinks what they think and that's it. Nothing will change. How about we make the rest of the thread here about how guys can be less creepy?!

One word: Integrity

I have noticed on this subform that the only time girls get mentioned, it is hot girls. As if other girls do not even exist. There is no reason to limit yourself to just approaching or trying to fuck/date 8/10+ in terms of looks. There are many variables that make a girl to be a good partner, appearnace is just one of them. Yes it matters, but so do other things. Maybe if guys approached more 6s and 7s or even 5s it would make things so much more simple. I know that girls are the same, they will only filter high value guys, it is human nature. But i find this so disgusting for some reason, everyone deserves love. I feel like a girl rn typing this but that is how i feel. Maybe that 6/10 you approach ends up being your future wife which you have missed if you had ignored her because she was not "hot enough". As a guy your worth in society is partlly dictated by the hotness of the girl you are with. Fucked up imo. Hot girls are really good to practice though, i tend to purposfully treat them like their looks are irrelevant, it is so much fun haha.

@Leo Gura He said how to get girls, not how to get hot girls. Big difference. That would be like asking how to get a job as a data analyst in some random small firm versus on google. Totally different ball parks.

@Leo Gura If it was only was that easy...

@Javfly33 Yes for one night stands i would get it. But that is not what most guys really want i think?

@StarStruck Slightly below average looking minimum Fit Not shorter than 5 cm than her More confident than her More independent than her (so less needy) Somewhat funny or at least not super serious Have passion, hobbies, goals, purpose etc Have somewhat your life together Being okay in bed Being more dominant, assertive than she is. Taking care of yourself in terms of hygene, grooming etc Not being socially retarted Not being super dumb or ignorant in general That should do it

I will never understand the obsession people have with banging hot girls. Like honestly, how shallow are you??? I am not saying to bang girls you think are ugly but wont average or decent girls do? Why this obessesion for only hot girls? A decent looking girl is enough looks wise, then focus on other things which are also very important. Damn even an okay looking girl will be great if the other boxes are checked.

@soos_mite_ah Great response. Thank you!

I do not like the sociaety biases towards extroversion. People assume introverts are anti social people that are shy and have 0 communication skills and that is not true at all. Some great charismatic leaders are natural introverts. You can be funny, charismatic, confident and social while being an introvert. Usually shyness and anti social behaviour comes from some sort of childhood trauma or conditioning, not because one is "naturally introverted". Being an introvert is great, it has a lot of benefits. Just like being an extrovert has a lot of benefits. Both have their strenghts and weaknesses. Both have charisma and social skills. They are just displayed in different ways. Introverts tend to be more socially chill, relaxed, witty etc while extroverts tend to be more loud and all including. Each style is better for certain situations. When someone says to develop extroversion i do not agree with that term. Developing social skills, humour, confidence, etc is NOT developing extroversion. Yes, it is harder for introverts to develop these things than extroverts naturally but it does not mean they naturally will not be able to do so if they interact with people. The whole structure of society is that you have to interact with people, especially during your education.

Are you talking about dating or socialization in general? I have met people that are very social and fun and outgoing that still struggled a lot with girls. Because they lacked things like boldness or that assertive attitude. Their social skills, humor and chillness was on point though. Personally i have done a shit lot of socialization to the point where it is effortless now but dating is still bit of a struggle when it comes to making it man to woman (not the getting to know, comfort, opening up part). I feel like getting better at girls is just a very specific skill set instead of just learning how to be social in general.

This is every Incel's dream

How is your health? Are you still on the carnivore diet? Is it working?@Leo Gura

What the actual fuck????? Murica being murica @Leo Gura This is in Vegas so maybe you can go there to eat a meal

@Gili Trawangan I really enjoy house parties personally. You can easily meet people there and you can have conversations, make jokes, everyone is a bit tipsy and it is overall a great vibe.

@Pudgey It is not just height, that is something not important i mentioned. It is looks in general and most importantly the fact that females give you 0 attention and give it all to the handsome guys, simple as that. You can barely talk to girls in such places and you are basically only left with physical stuff.

Something which helped me to improve my sense of humour on top of the "looking for the funny" tip which leo mentions (amaizing tip btw), is to watch a lot of comedy stuff. Idk why but it really improves your humour, especially the clever one. Just watch quality content and you will subconsciously develop that part of your brain which is responsible for such stuff.

There are guys that do not care about looks that much AFTER the threashhold is reached. They tend to be more feminine regarding dating and need a good personality, especially for a relationship. Personally i care about looks in terms of reaching the threashhold, after that they do not matter that much. Some guys are really visual though so depends. Usually the guys with the most options tend to be the most ruthless regarding looks however often these are not the best guys to date long term. But it will require larger number of guys to screen to find such people. @Ineedanswers

@somegirl Honestly just pay for your own thing and he for his. More simple and less contraversial. Offering to pay as a girl might win you points but it is a bit risky if he takes it the wrong way or if his pride gets touched. So i would just split it. If he offers to pay, do not accept it, if he insists well then maybe accept it but offer to pay the second round or idk something. Yes totally legit. Just make sure u go somewhere u can get physical to make it easier for both of you. Also if you sit somewhere with sofas, suggest to sit on them.

@somegirl Suggest him to sit on a sofa or somewhere next to each other. Then give him a compliment and get close to him slowly. You can even put your head on his shoulder. These should be enough signals for him to want to kiss you. If he doesnt then either stop talking to him or kiss him yourself. A friend of mine was with a girl and lacked the ballz to kiss her, she was the one that kissed him. Then they started dating and were happy. Normally the guy should kiss the girl but a lot of them are scared of it and do not do it. It is more likely for a guy to accept a kiss from a girl than the opposite so trying to kiss a guy is almost guaranteed success. Most of them do not need to be warmed up and feel comfortable and shit like you girls do. I would be the exception but most guys would kiss you the second they see your face if they are into you.

@Leo Gura Where i live there are a lot of guys that are very good looking and tall. I have this feeling of being outmatched by them and it bothers me sometimes especially if i am out and i am in a group with such people and other girls. Like i keep seeing girls give them more attention while i get treated like i do not exist, just as a cool guy. It is really demotivating sometimes. One of the reasons i do not like clubs is that every time i have went there i got treated like i did not exist and all the girls talked and danced with the more attractive guys. It is too loud and crowded to talk with them and attract them with your personality. I basically feel like a student going to a math class with overachievers in math. When you started, did you have this issue also? If yes how did you get over it?

So i have started dating and this is a chance i think i had with a girl recently. I would like to share here the date report. So i met this girl from my class and we started talking during the class break a bit. Then she said she would eat something and i suggested we eat something together. We went to a place near university (i am a student) and we ate something and talked for around 1.5 hours. Then she had to go to work. During the talk i got to know her a bit, she seemed like a pretty cool girl and we also did a few flirtatious stares but nothing crazy. She made this sexual comment once though. Afterwards i went with my day. Around 1am i get a text like "Hey this is X, i found your number on the big group chat hahaha". That group chat has like 200 members so it showed some interest to me. I used this as a chance to arrange a meeting after talking a bit. We managed to find a date and time we were both free and agreed to meet. It was during afternoon but at this point i am quite a begginer so for me even a make out is a big victory. We meet around 1 because at 5 she had to work. At first we ate something and then we went for a drink. She suggested to sit on a sofa and then she put her bag between us. I was like "ok she wants to sit on sofa which is good but then why the fuck do u put the bag between us". It made it hard to get physical. In time i managed to move it away bit by bit and we got bit closer. During the time we were talking, i was making jokes often, making statements, we flirted quite a bit back and forth (nothing crazy though) and also i started to touch her a bit. Like i touched her hand quite a bit and she mine, and also her thigh a bit. We talked about different things, it was a decent balance between fun and playful and also opening up a bit and discovering each other personalities and goals/attitudes/past etc. Nothing deep much but still to create some comfort and feel like you know them for some time. I made sure to incorporate humour and playfulness because i used to be very serious and logical in the past in dates. Touching wise we touched a bit but nothing super crazy. She also indirectly complimented my looks by calling people from my country "so beautiful". The killer mistake i made is that i could not manage to kiss her, i was bit shy and just lacked the balls to go for it. So i could not kiss her on the couch. During the walk to her work i tried to touch her from time to time but nothing much. Afterwards we parted and as an idiot i hugged her instead of kissing her there also. The next day i saw her on class and we talked and made some jokes but after class she had plans. When i tried to arrange another date via text for next week she told me she was busy and shit and when i said "no problem if you find some time to meet before your work let me know a bit before and we can arrange something". She said okay but never texted. Now if i see her in class i say and shit and we talk a bit but she clearly has lost interest. I will try to use this as an opporunity to learn. I am still happy with myself because my dates used to be so bad that just the idea of me flirting, being fun/playful and a bit physical (not much though) is still some improvement. Why do you guys think she went so cold? Like was me not kissing her a killer mistake? What else you think i messed up with? Would appreciate all your responses. Thank you!

@Leo Gura I did all of this though with exception of not kissing. Yes it was not perfect because i am a beginner but i made sure i practiced all the principles you wrote. I struggle most with physical contact, i will focus on it from this point onwards. Verbally i am quite decent and much better than physically. There is quite a gap between my verbal and physical game which i ll try to narrow.