Karmadhi

Israel will not let me go there as a normal citizen and if I go with some aid group, they will murder me if I try to help them like they murdered Kitchen food staff

You can say the same about Israel having the right to defend itself but using terrorist tactics too. I see a lot more agreement that Hamas are terrorists than Israelis are even though they have broken every war law that exists out there at this point. That those people that were put on Palestine were the descenders of the Jews from 3000 years ago. I am sure during the last 3000 years they mixed so much with Europeans that they stopped having any sort of resemblence to the original historical Jews and therefore are not entitled to that land at all. The whole idea that you are entitled to some land because people with your religion came from there is absurd to begin with. They can say "We need land so we will take it, better us than you have it". That would be honest. Is there any proof that Israelis these days, most of them have much ancestry to those people from back then? What if Palestinian Arabs are the real and in time they converted to Islam? That would make more sense to me to be honest. Ideally it should have been established in a sparsely populated area so large groups of people would not need to be kicked out or forced to live under another's rule. Also somewhere with a less strong sense of nationalism/religion. Middle East is quite uncompromising when it comes to this stuff I feel.

Bernie is also anti establishment type of guy, even more than Trump I would say. How come Trump is so much more popular than Bernie? Both are anti establishment but the differnence is that Bernie policies benefit 90% of the population while Trump policies do not.

So why did he choose Trump over Kamala? Curious.

To show that Israeli claims to that land are not based on truth They could have made a Jewish state somewhere else where they would not get this backlash. There were countless proposed places to build a Jewish state, and they chose the worst one. That is the root cause of all this bullshit.

Fair points. However the Supreme Court ruling for him not paying Daniels was quite a ridiculous charge. You have Bush illegally invading another country (resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of innocents), you have Obama illegally attacking Libya and getting away with it and Trump got charged for some stupid thing. It made him more popular than anything. They should have either charged him with a serious offense or nothing. If you apply such a harsh standard, then the entire Congress should go to jail.

Do you genuinely believe he will install a dictatorship in the US or just regress democracy but still maintain at its core a democracy? I never seen you so worried about elections before, with Biden vs Trump in 2020 you seemed a lot chiller. And it was still Trump back then for the second term. I can understand the worry because we had the EU elections some months ago and many of my French friends were worried a lot that Le Pen would win (Trump European version) so I can understand it. But considering this same situation was in 2020, I saw you a lot chiller back then, idk.

They are key politicans, what you mean? "Moderates" like Gantz are irrelevant since they are not in government. The current Israeli governement has been called as the most far right in its history. I said also Lebanon, UAE. Name me some Arab countries then. Iran and Afghanistan are not Arab countries. I said UAE, Qatar, Lebanon.

@Raze I bombed him with links

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/pm-netanyahu-invokes-amalek-theory-to-justify-gaza-killings-what-is-this-hebrew-bible-nation-11698555324918.html https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-bengvir-jerusalem-alaqsa-cd27dfed6d63f4dec3eae2f51ee23ff0 https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/03/09/bezalel-smotrich-the-extremist-settler-is-making-his-mark-on-the-israeli-government_6018684_4.html "Not religious". Yeah right.... https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240705-israeli-soldier-films-himself-blowing-up-gaza-home-in-message-to-his-wife/ Right... Fire versus fire. Blue versus blue. Muslims form 65.5% of the Qatari population, followed by Christians at 15.4%, Hindus at 14.2%, Buddhists at 3.3% UAE: The other main religions present in the country include Christianity (12.9%), Hinduism (6.2%), and Buddhism (3.2%).[34] Zoroastrians, Druze, Baha'i, Judaism, and Sikhism are also practiced by some non-nationals.[36] 1.3% of the population is agnostic.[34] Lebanon is like a 1/3 Christian. Number 1: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/06/middleeast/israeli-minister-smotrich-starve-gazans-intl/index.html Number 2: Number 3: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-12/ty-article/israeli-security-cabinet-member-calls-north-gaza-evacuation-nakba-2023/0000018b-c2be-dea2-a9bf-d2be7b670000 Number 4: https://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/refreshing-bluntness-shaked/ Number 5: https://www.timesofisrael.com/far-right-minister-calls-for-israel-to-fully-occupy-gaza-reestablish-settlements/ Please, before you lie realize we have the internet and can easily debunk your bs...

I understand.

Are they also an ethnic group or just religious? I find confusing information on that. Maybe in the rural USA. Come to Western Europe. Religion is totally irrelevant here now. I met hundreds of Europeans.

How come the Christian countries in the 20th century, which had long evolved past fundamentalist religion chose Israel as a land based on religious reasons? To me, deciding where a new country should be created should be based on concrete factors, religion is basically irrelevant. Biggest factor in determining a land for Israel to be created would be so nobody was forced in mass to leave their homes.

I find it very unfair that Jews around the world are being shat on because of Israel actions. They should keep the criticism for Israelis only, not for all Jews around the globe. People seem to confuse Zionism with Judaism for some reason.

Hard not to when you are being murdered daily. Israel was murdering hundreds of Gazans every year and that was considering "the norm". Israelis meanwhile these days live comfortable lives and party while their neighbours starve and are bombed. It is a lot more justifiable and understandable for Gazans to hate Israel than Israel to hate Gazans. It boils down to how much are you personally affected. Most Israelis are not affected by Gaza. Most Gaza is affected by Israel.

@Anton Rogachevski LOL. That is like taking a few hardline Ben Gvir supporters and framing it as if the whole Israeli society is like that. I can easily find people just as radical as these ones from Israeli side. There are radical lunatics in every society, especially polarized ones. This clip is a very bad attempt at propaganda. Seek a higher standard at this forum.

Yes I do. Con artists require a good deal of wisdom and objectivity to be spotted out. They are not obvious for the average person to be determined.

I do not follow American politics much since I do not live there. But normally if a guy is openly a massive devil, then the only people that would vote for him are people that operate under the same level. Because they do not see it as devilry, since they are devils themselves. So it means half of Americans operate under the same level as Trump? Or is Trump devilry not as easily visible unless you are developed yourself enough to see it?

Why massive devils have a tendency to get in power? I have noticed it in general when I look at world leaders, both today and historically. Is it because of their charisma? If Trump is as bad as you make him, he is above the development level of most Americans.

They are not lol. If they were, then they would always win. It is crazy to me how much people are willing to not vote for policies that serve them.

Generally true. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Israel and parts of the US are exceptions to the rule.

Because rape is totally seen as horrible and not jusficible in our society and in basically all cultures. Those sexually frustrated men have morals, some basic ethics or are just scared of the consequences (revenge, jail, relatives killing them back) etc. Men that rape are either psychopathic or mentally unwell.

Often it is caused by sexual frustration. You are not a guy, so I do not think you can understand how it feels for a guy. I am not saying it is not a horrible thing, but I can totally see how an ultra sexually frustrated guy that is also either mentally ill or just cruel person can resort to it. What keeps men from rape is morals and conscience. Remove these and.. There are cases where rape is about control more than sex, I do not disagree. Both cases can happen

He has a point though.

But some cultures manage to put them in check and while others do not. That is what we are discussing with this thread. I gave examples of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran, UAE (muslim states) where men should be equally craving sex but do not rape as much.