Karmadhi

As long as there is not sexual attraction from either part then yes. I have really really good female friends that i love just as much as my guy friends. However guys make the mistake of being stuck in a friendship with a girl they like, that is a huge mistake which i have personally made in the past and it is not a good choice in my opinion. But if you started as just friends from the start, then super doable.

Either INTJ or ISTJ(not sure yet)

How to find wings???????????????????????????? RSD forums are shut down and there is basically barely any online forumn to find wings, let alone good wings.

Ok guys so i will give you a short report and a situation i have which i find really confusing. So i met this girl from a friend, we all went to do an activity together. We vibed a bit and talked and stuff but nothing crazy. We also touched hands a bit because of the nature of the activity but again, all relatively innocent stuff. Afterwards, i added her on instagram and we texted a bit back and forth, mostly replying to each other stories. After exams ended (we are university students), i told her to meet up and she happily agreed. We met up (just me and her) and we went on this bar in the center and sat on these chairs where u can touch the person but it is not really a couch. We spent there like 3 hours, talking about different things, making jokes, having fun etc. I paid the first round of drinks (a 0.33 litter beer (around 5% alcohol)) and she paid for the second round. Towards the last hour or so i started touching her hand and stuff and we got comfortable with touching each other hands. I would say i hit state during the last 45 minutes or so, i sexualized a bit and at one moment we were both holding hands and she did not remove it. At that moment i kissed her, a small make out. After that, she leaned on and she kissed me. She told me my lips were a bit rough because it is quite cold these days and said "next time you go out with a girl apply some product to make your lips softer". Afterwards we left, she said "that was fun" when we were leaving. Then i walked her to the train station (she lives in a nearby city) and went home. Considering this girl was quite pretty and cool i am very happy with myself that i had the balls to make the first move because usually i chickened out and this costed me like 4 girls so far. Now things get weird and bad. I reply to her story like 3 days after we meet and we text a bit, then i suggest to meet later on the week (sunday and this texting is on tuesday). She says she is busy that weekend but suggests to meet me next wendsday (so 1 week exactly from the moment this texting is happening). I agree and we pick a time and place. I do not really text her after because i was busy with my stuff and partially because i did not want to mess up anything with bad texts (i am not that good in texting atm). So today (wendsday) i go the place we arranged to meet but she is nowhere to be found. I text her "where are you" and 20 minutes later she tells me that she forgot and was sorry and shit. I got super pissed but refraimed myself for saying anything nasty, i just told her not to do it again and lets find a time again to meet and stick to it. She suggests friday after class and says she is also meeting some other friends. I get bit confused and tell her if we can meet on the weekend because on friday i am busy. She tells me okay but i am not sure yet and then says something weird to me. She asks me "if this is a friendly meeting because things got a bit weird towards the end of our previous meeting". I am like WTF to myslef, you legit kissed me, said it was fun and we even made jokes after when i walked you to your destination and now "it was weird"????????? I text her like "Is it really friendly tho" and "What was weird about last time" She says something like "yes very friendly" and "haha nevermind, beer in empty stomach i guess". I am really really confused with this shit. Most of my friends are not thatttt experienced with girls so i feel like asking here for advice because i really want some good advice. We talked for like 4 hours almost before i kissed her and it was mutual, she accepted it and even kissed me back. We did not even drink much, she never said she was tipsy or drunk and seemed perfectly mine to me. I am really confused. Any advice would help. Sorry for the super long thread but i wanted to give you guys a clear assesment of the situation.

I would say like half the guys are totally clueless about this stuff, they have not bothered learning it or improving it. Sure some are naturals but i doubt every single guy is.

I was being sarcastic because they are first to tell guys how to act but when someone does what they say and makes a thread needing help they cannot help him so they just ignore it . Just FYI because i forgot to mention, if i text a girl and she constantly takes multiple hour if not a full day to reply then personally i find it bit degrating to keep doing it when she is not putting any effort. If i did that to her you would prolly tell me its bad behaviour.

@K Ghoul @Etherial Cat Since you girls are so fond of giving opinions and advices how about giving me your 2 cents on the thread i made which should be in the first 5 that appear in this forumn sub-section. Would like to hear it.

If this is typical girl behaviour then i genuenlly do not understand how basically every guy has been in many relationships during his life. Have they all went through this shit?

Practicing your sense of humour i see

@Antor8188 You are fine then. As long as a girl is your height or shorter then you can get her.

LOL this shit again... Of course heights matters, if someone saying it does not matter is just retarted. The thing is that it is not the only thing that matters even regarding purely physical appearance. Your face matters 10x more than your height. How tall are you if i may ask @Antor8188

How do you make it clear? I met her from someone and asked her to meet me. Nowhere was it obvious it was a date. It could have been a friendly meeting just as much. Maybe touch without kissing? Otherwise it seems as a friendly meeting to me. Depends also on girl i guess. This one was 25 so i assumed she expected a kiss if she bothered to go on a date with someone. I did what you told me and got ghosted after for being too passive in the past multiple times so yeah... Kissing for 10 seconds is not hard physically, it is a date not a friendly meeting. Pulling a girl and kissing her are totally different ball parks. Kissing aint much for most girls, just see how easy it is for a girl to kiss u on a club versus sleeping with you.

Bro please do not assume a 3 hour interaction based on that. I did joke about it, that is not the point. The point is she doesnt have as many options as u guys might wronglly assume and i have to clarify it.

I said that as proof that she did not have 20 guys orbiting her as you might have assumed. I said she is pretty but not hot. Maybe a 6.5/10. Also we had good chemistry, we had fun and she was into the stuff i am. She was also very fun and we had a ton of good laughs and shit. Pleasent person overall (if i dont count the dumb af games). She is cute but not as attractive as you might think. Keep in mind i have very low standards for what i find attractive.

This one does not, she barely knows people and is cute but not like a 8/10 or anything like that. Just cute/pretty but still normie girl. I should have clarified that. Most importantly she is new in town and does not know a lot of people. She legit complained to me during our date that her life here is still a bit boring and she does not know that many people. So the chances of me being outcompeted or replaced by someone else, at least until today are quite low. I think she just lost attraction or was not attracted to me but i managed to seduce her successfully during our date and when she went back into logical mode she had buyer's remorse or something.

Also not knowing what you did wrong. This makes you think about it over and over again and just you more and more attached. That is what i plan to do anyway. I wouldnt have time to go out with 3 girls at the same time though. Dating takes time, i have a busy life. 1 date a week is more than enough for me. Maybe 2 max . It is rigged against normal guys. Scumbags i know in real life have no issues with girls. But i do not want to get into that rant again here. Honestly man it is the only thing that keeps me going, this exact thought. Just like i foget how hard it was for me to make friends in the past because now it is almost effortless for me due to all the work i did on myself regarding socializing, being interesting, funny and developing a keen sense of social intelligence. I kinda take it for granted now Thank you for your motivational words Roy, appreciate it!

For the first 22 years of my life i did exactly that. You have no idea for well put the rest of my life is relative to relationships and dating. I workout, i meditate, i am learning a new language, i am doing a masters degree, i am read self development books, i have a wide circle of diverse and interesting friends, i learn new things about the world and i also love travelling. So tbh choosing to date is something i kind of forced myself to do because my skills were lacking rather than doing it because i had nothing to do. However once you go through the hole you get invested. Kind of like doing heroin even ifyour life is well put together, yes it will not consume you but will still affect your life somewhat. This girl was arguably a very very good fit for me, if it was the typical girl i would not care that much. I lost like 3 girls in a month like that and barely cared. You have no idea for much less detached i get from girls now relative to 2 years ago. Each "heartbreak" incrementally makes me more detached. The main reason i am upset outside of the girl being a high quality girl is the fact that i geniounly dont understand what i did so wrong, if i knew exactly what went wrong it would be a good closure.

The fact that Leo not only has dozens of 3 hour long videos for free on Youtube but also has a forumn where he personally answers dozens of questions every single day is something i personally really admire about him. No other Youtuber will do this for you to such an extent, they always charge for stuff. I remember the first time he gave an answer to a question of mine on a thread 1.5 years ago, i was legit blown away to the point where i had to click his profile to be sure it was actually him. Highly respect him for this alone. Personally, his videos have really changed my life. Made me MUCH less judgemental, much less obsessed with comparing myself with others (still am but WAY less), greatly improved my understanding of politics and society and arguably jumped me from the achiever to half-way pluralist on the 9 stages of ego development model. So yes big THANK YOU to you Leo!

For me it is much harder to find wings than to find girls that would be interested to date me. I tried that telegram group you sent but most of the people there want to do daygame and the group for my city (big capital city of europe) is kind of dead. Also most are quite older than me (im 23 they are like 28 or so). Is there any other source or website or forumn or group to find wings? Also is it worth daygaming with a wing or is it a solo activity?

Im getting tired honestly. No matter how much i try it is still a bit hard not to get emotionally invested AT ALL, especially if the girl is somewhat good fit for you (high quality girl as they say). I am a decent guy i dont geniounly think i deserve to be treated like garbage like this. If this keeps on i fear i will become one of those ruthless sociopathic puas (even though i dont really do pick up) that gives 0 shits about the girls and just cares about his agenda and has 0 empathy. My vision for what i want is the only thing that keeps me motivated to keep moving forward.

Yes well if she was flirting and still interested she would not make it crazy hard to meet me a second time like she currently is. The first time to meet her was so easy compared to the second time. I will still try with her until she explicitly rejects me because i got nothing to loose but i am not very optimistic. When a girl is interested to meet you she will meet you, as long as you are asking her to meet you. Simple as that. So yeah fuck her honestly.

I want to practice going outside my confort zone. I used to be really platonic in dates so i am trying to improve my escalation, touching and going for the kiss skills. These things push me outside my comfort zone.

I am all good with gaming in a place that fits my personality. Daygame works for me. A loud nightclub does not. I am a fish and i want to hunt in the sea not in a dessert. House parties also work great for me but going to them is quite random depending on social circle events, not very consistent. Bars could also work but i do not find a lot of girls my age there. Clubs i hate, at least the ones that are open right now. If i cannot talk to girls normally it is a no no for me. Keep in mind my standards for sex are VERY low compared to most guys, so i can find plenty of girls attractive enough to date every time im out on the streets doing my thing. My pickyness is usually when it comes to personality, not looks. I am generally bit feminine when it comes to this dating stuff which is why conventional dating advice is not 100 percent applicable for me. Once i went out with a girl and when i first saw her on the date i thought to myself: "Damn im not feeling it at all, im not attracted to her physically at all", then after talking and flirting a bit for 3 hours i got attracted to her enough to want to kiss her myself. I think this is how girls are regarding dating. The "I know within 5 seconds if i would sleep with her or not" thingy does not fully apply to me. Of course there are girls i am not attracted to at ALL no matter what but i would consider maybe 30-40 percent of girls "dating" material looks wise if i also liked their personality and we vibed well. Might seem weird but this is what i have learned about myself once i started talking to girls and trying to date them. I am still on the phase of learning how to get a consistent make out on the first date, closing on the first date is still bit advanced for me. At least with not super sexually liberated girls.

Normally true but this one seems a bit not that social because she is still new in town so i doubt her life is that busy yet. Good point for future girls though, thank you. Thank you I get dates from uni and being social in general. I do not do pickup, i really do not need it. If i ever do pick up it will be daygame, not a fan of nightgame tbh.

@Leo Gura I already did it on thursday evening, legit told her "lets hang out on the weekend". She said: "yeah lets see".