Karmadhi

You seem to project a lot regarding daygame. Daygame and nightgame both work and are legit depending on your personality and style. Since you are talking about creepyness, yes it is true that it is easier to creep girls during daygame but does not mean you cannot talk to them. What matters is where YOU FEEL more comfortable. Personally i am 10x more likely to creep out a girl during nightgame than daygame simply because nightgame environements make me so uncomfortable that i will become creepy. No matter how much i expose myself to them, i always feel like i am a shadow socially of what i can be in other settings. So in MY case, daygame is a better option. For you might be different, everyone is different. But saying this is creepy and this is not is a very simplyfied view on it. Plenty of guys kill it with daygame, i know some of them. Just like i know others that kill it with nightgame. What is the trend i have noticed? Everyone games in the environement they feel most natural and comfortable at. AG Hayden and Natural lifestyles are great daygame channels, John Anthony lifestyle and RSD are great nightgame channels. I do not see any of them being creepy .

The fundamental difference between rejection for guys and girls is the fact that guys go through a lot more of it due to the fact that they are usually pursuers. Also i have noticed girls usually get rejected from the top guys while guys get rejected by ALL girls. The average girl has 10x more power in the dating market than the average guy, if a guy is not a top guy he is kinda fucked and begging for scraps.

These days men have become equally or close to as insecure as women about their physical appearance. The whole incel and even MGTOW movement is pure proof of that. Just google "how much do looks matter" and you will see 90% of the stuff that comes up is about guys. We live today in the Tinder/instagram/online era where dating happens more and more online hence the increase of importance of physical attractivness of guys. And it will get more and more important as people use online shit more and more regarding dating and even judging their value (instagram for eg). Also does not help when women talk about looks in guys 24/7 (especially young ones), regarding what they care about. Even if it is not true hearing it every day 24/7 takes a toll on your self-esteem.

Hey guys, so i have done some nightgame recently and even though it has potential i do not really see myself in it. I feel like my social skills are greatly reduced and in general it is not a very enjoyable experience. From the loud music, to the great importance of physicality, to dealing with friends and girls never solo i would like to find some new avenues to meet girls. Interesting enough, i thought girls were going to be super receptive in night game but apparently they always tend to stick with their groupie and it is not easy at all to get convos started (not easier than it would be in a gym or park for example). This suprised me a bit. Just some information about myself for those that do not know me. -I am a natural introvert with decent social skills. I excel in 1 on 1 communication with a chill, laid back atmosphere around it. -I am not a big fan of heavy physicality from the start, i prefer to use my verbals rather than my physicality at the beginning. -My natural standards for looks are not that high. Every time im out and about (i have an active lifestyle), i see at least 4-5 girls worth approaching. So the situation that Leo describes where he has to walk for a few hours to find 3-4 girls worth approaching does not apply to me. - I want to get better and have the ability to get a girl if i want to as long as i am wiling to work for it. So with these charactersistics, which place would you reccomend? I assume daygame would be the answer, but where exactly? Where does daygame work best?

Because people there are in groups and it is super weird and not socially acceptable to just join in. It annoys people, especially if there are girls and guys there. Imagine you go out with your cirlce of friends to have a good time and some random guy wants to join you. If there are 2 girls for example it can work great if you are with another guy but that requires you to have a wing. You cannot rely on having a wing 2 times every week. In clubs you can do this, in bars not. At least where i live these are the social conventions. I do not mind silent environement, i just mind the horrible stigma it has. It makes me feel like i am being weird, desperate etc. It goes against my identity as a "normal" guy according to society standards. I have definetly have done that by going to social events by myself and forcing myself to talk to people. I love meeting people through social events, it is by far the best way to meet people imo because everyone there is super friendly, it is a chill enviroenemtn and not weird. However, there are not enough of them unfortunately. I agree with that totally, i have personally made massive imporvements in socializing.

Personally i do not think it is creepy per say if done right, society sees it as creepy and conditiones you 24/7 to think it is desperate, creepy and weird. You are basically going against all social norms which ofc are fake in an absolute sense but you feel them in the relative survival sense. How do you condition yourself not to care about society norms?

So i have watched some of his content and noticed that he says that most guys can get good with girls much faster than RSD or other companies claim. He says his students get good with girls super fast, they dont need 2000 approaches because they are given an optimized results-proof system. Personally i find his logistics advice to be the best in the internet but the claims seem a bit far feched to me. Like virgins getting 5 lays within the first 8 weeks of using his programs. John himself has probably legit game and his gfs are super hot but im unsure about the claims when it comes to his students results. Would like to hear your opinion about this. Here attached is the video (sceeenshot since i am on my phone atm) of the video where he makes the claims

@Leo Gura It is just that daygame and hitting on girls randomly on the street has a horrible connotation because mostly really creepy people do it and it is considered weird by society's standards. This really holds me back when it comes to doing it. Also a lot of girls when by themselves wear headsets and seem unapproachable af in general. I am talking mostly about the street here. In a park for eg it is different. What about libararies? They have a lot of nice girls there but it is usually a quieter environements, people are busy studying. You ever did approaches there?

@Raze His response

What places are you going man Even in the meh clubs of my city (which is not that great for girls), i can usually find 8-10 girls worth approaching, especially since girls change every 1 hour or so (some leave, some come etc). Plus John is not claiming to get 70 numbers of 9/10 looking girls, probably he approaches anything 7/10 or higher.

In a big club in a city full of hot girls like south america where he lives or las vegas in your case it should not be that hard. Like i go in clubs in my city and i easily find 20+ girls in a place much worse. In clubs girls are usually dressed up and wear clothes that make them look their best to the point of catfishing so i doubt it is hard. Even a 6 can become a 7.5-8 in a club.

I have noticed you always use nightclubs as examples. With drunk girls things are quite different. I know a girl that made out with a guy in a club that she found very ugly because she was drunk as fuck. It would never happen in a sober setting. Do these guys you mentioned get equal results during the day or through social circle? So in places where girls are sober?

That is not even evil though. He is not hurting or killing anyone. And he definetly has compassion, i dont know why you think he does not. Keep in mind some of his videos he is playing a personna, in his interviews he seems very likable and interesting where he is being himself properly. He is quite narcisisitic though for sure, however most successful people tend to be so unfortunately.

1. Evil does not exist. 2. Even if he did, how is he exactly evil? His worldview is toxic yes however i think young men these days need his attitude a lot. Young men today are so fucking lazy, victim mindsets and soft that his advice would benefit them a lot if they apply it correctly and ignore some of the toxic elements.

Do you think this is also somewhat personal taste? Personally, i prefer a 9/5 job than doing my own thing. I am not really an entreprenuer kind of person, i enjoy working in a decent firm more. However the nature of the job is really important so doing something you like in a firm versus doing your own thing. Is one clearly superior to the other or is it subjective depending on individual taste

So i have noticed that Leo among others say that a female will get attracted to guys she sees as higher value than herself. So this means in turn that in a couple, the guy will usually be higher value (according to her perception of value) at least. For example, females find much more if the guy earns less than them than the guy does. Same for confidence, same for neediness, same for status, ambition etc. Meanwhile guys do not care if a girl is below his percieved value that much, so if she is less attractive than him physically. So does this mean that in turn females prefer to be inferior in a couple? This may sound mysogonistic as fuck (and it is kinda) but i just wanted this clarified for me. It really confuses me when Leo and others say that females will get attracted only to guys they percieve to be higher value than herself. Meanwhile i rarely see average looking guys not getting attracted to average looking girls (im using the guys defintion of value). So a guy is more much tolerant about this shit than the girl, at least from what i have noticed.

If you re a soft nice guy like a lot of men are these days, especially in developed countries then he will be a good counter balance to that. I really like his no fucks given attitude and has a lot of stage blue and orange wisdom to him, especially when it comes to mental fortitude. He can get overlooked for some "asshole loud mouth player" but he has better psychology and mental mastery than most guys out there. However, i heavily disagree with his political, society and conspiracy views. Just ignore those and focus more on his advice on how to make you a stronger and less fucks given person. Also he has this amaizing video that i always watch whenever i feel bad or hopeless with girls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stZN7F1orq8

So i have in the last 2 years tried actively to improve my social skill and made quite some progress. The fields i have made progress have been mostly in becoming more expressive, so smiling more, laughing more, laughing harder, being more emotional in the way i talk, having a higher delta of vocal tonality etc etc. However, i have also noticed that this does make me more likable but i feel like seducting is something else. It is more chill, focused on a specific type of eye-contact, more sophisticated, bit more serious and brutal. How do i balance these two? So basically i feel like the first "mode" as we can call it, is a bit platonic and will make me likable but attraction wise? I do not know atm how to juggle the two "modes" I know the ideal is to combine both but for me at the moment seems impossible. I cannot be high energy, funny, expressive and at the same time to be chill, seductive, dominant energy and ruthless attitude (masculine energy 101). Any advice?

Honestly, i do not know. Getting a guy like this has its pros and cons. Pros is that you get a guy you are highly attracted to and is high value. Cons is that he knows that and will not put up with much BS from you and you will feel a bit scared that he might leave you for someone else. That is the issue of dating very desired people by society. You never know how long it will last, especially since guys tend to like sexual variety. So up to you, you will not loose anything by trying. However if you want my advice, do not date such guys seriously. Most likely they will break your heart. Such guys are good for casual stuff. Try to find a high value guy that is less popular with girls if you want something serious that is also safe and fulfilling. Yes, they do exist trust me

HHAAHHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHHAHAHA bro you made my day with this i swear That is not how girls work.

Would you consider statements as "Jelousy is a feminine trait" and stuff like this toxic or sexist? I have seen quite a bit of Owen and RSD old videos where they talk about females and tbh i did not find much mysogonistic stuff there, at least not more than you would find in a book like "The Red Queen" or "The Way of the Superior Man". Saying women want to date masculine alpha males and hate soft betas is kinda true. Maybe i missed something? Yes pick up can def be toxic af but it is the pick up itself in general more than what RSD was saying specifically.

Then become a bit more ruthless and do not moan about having to cancel off some girls after giving them a good time. They would do it to you without flinching, so would other guys to girls. It is really good that you have such a high level of empathy, i also have some strict rules that i do not break at the cost of my success (not going for girls with boyfriends even if she is down for eg) but for the sake of practice, keep doing what you have been doing. It will be worth it, every great country is build under a mountain of corpses.

Plus bro, dating is a brutal, ruthless business. It is not sunshine and rainbows. You will break a shit lot of hearts and your heart will be broken a lot of times too. That is the nature of dating. Of course try to minimize it but sometimes to make an omlett you have to break a few eggs. If you had to break 10 girl's hearts in your journey to getting better with girls you should do it without blinking once. Keep in mind that heartbreak makes people stronger, you are not killing them you know. I am grateful for all my heartbreaks, they made me much stronger emotionally, you should be too if you had any.

Beauty is subjective, do not use "ugly girls" as a phrase please. Just tell them what girls tell to guys when they dumb them. "Im not feeling the same way anymore sorry". Works for girls so it should work for you too. From now on go for girls you are actually attracted to, since you are getting good results with the ones that you are not. Do not assume a more attractive girl will be less likely to be into you.

I really enjoy doing that and meeting new people. However i do not enjoy the making moves part that much. To me it seems as i am doing this to get the girl and hence her love/sex and nothing more. Especially the physical part aka touching her and shit.