Karmadhi

Is the physical appearance or the level of development and intellectual capabilities of the girl the hardest for you guys. Personally i notice in myself i am attracted physically to many girls, maybe 30-40% or so but i really struggle in finding girls that are well developed, enjoy learning and are overall high consciouss mature people. Most girls my age are quite immature and have a ton of problems with themselves, which is why half the girls that i went out with were 1-2 years older than me. It's a weird struggle because most guys around me care mostly about physical appearance in girls and im kinda the opposite.

What about carbs like rice or potatos? I understand why you are against wheat due to health reasons but is there anything wrong with rice or potatos? Yes, they might be mostly sugar empty calories but why is it a bad thing to consume them? If i eat 1500 calories a day with meat and veggies and oil versus 2200 calories a day with meat veggies and oil PLUS some empty sugar calories, what is wrong with the second option? I need to eat like 2500 calories a day just to maintain my weight (i have fast metabolism) so i cannot just eat meat and veggies, it is a nightmare. So any particular reasons why rice or potateos would be bad? Same question for lentils and beans (so anything not wheat).

The way i see it is: Bars and clubs: Casual stuff, one night stands etc Daygame, Social circle, activites: GFs Very steriotypical but the base idea.

Social circle Activites Daygame Tbh daygame i know like 10 guys that got gfs from it, they got laid a lot from nightgame but found their gf from daygame. They mix quite well. Just dont be creepy and u re good to go haha

Why would a girl go on a date with a guy she is not into?

If he was that cute he would prolly be laid too.

Bro you should teach us how you even got 40 dates to begin with. It is super super impressive, especially within a year.

@Leo Gura Has it ever happened to you that you kiss a girl on a date but you and or her dont feel anything? Even if you find each other physical attractive? Is that normal?

Do you have friends to do night game with? The telegram group of game in my city sucks dick and basically nobody goes out there. It is so hard for me to find nightgame wings to the point where its easier to find a girl than a wing. Any advice on where to find wings? Also in my city there are no RSD events or anything like that like some people have suggested. Where do you find the guys you go out with?

I think the fundamental issue is that she was not that into me. If a girl is into you then you will not get friendzoned and can get away with a lot of shit, talking from personal experience here. Solution: Go out with girls that are into you properly .

From my experience that is not the case. All the chances i ve had were because the girls found my good looking. Which will happen via massive volume, at least 1/50 girls will find you handsome. However, it is a really low number to count on and therefore some skill is needed. The skill is not just being social and talking to them as a normal person but it is the sexual frame and flirtation and even then u can still get friendzoned. I got friendzoned even after making out with a girl on a fucking date. Tough luck

If it only was that easy man. The fundamental reason is because they dont see me sexually. Holding a normal conversation does not make a girl want to fuck you. I have shared here personal dating experiences and you just called it "bad luck". So it is not that i suck at having normal convos with people. I just get friendzoned a lot even if i make moves, i dont give that player vibe thats my biggest issue. Even when i try to be one it comes off not congruent, like a puppy barking loud trying to act like a pitbull.

1000 seems like overkill to me. 100-200 should do it (200-400 individual nights out).

Last weekend i went out both on friday and saturday. So yeah idk what ur talking about

The fact that the most toxic and selfish people get laid the most shows clearly that attraction requires some degree of toxicity and selfishness.

I am always talking about getting a girl to fall for you. Not how to keep a girl in a relationship after she has fallen for you. And i am not talking about pick up kind of attraction which happens within 60 minites as you say it but more generally which includes other venues. Yes, for relationships being loving and stuff is what works.

Actually i did not want to believe it until reality forced me after countless examples and self denials from my part. To me a developed person is empathetic, caring and kind. Can you be attractive even if you dont create drama and treat girls well and with respect? Issue is most guys i know do these things in a very toxic way. Ghosting a girl randomly to me is toxic. Becoming cold for no reason and creating conflict out of nowhere is also toxic to me. Can you be fun without being toxic like this?

You yourself say girls are attracted to detached guys that do not care about them. How is removing all empathy and kindness helping you to be a more selfless loving person? To me being good with girls and being a good loving selfless person are opposites. The only solution to me at least, is to become high value to the point where a girl wont loose attraction for you even if you treat her well and care about her. Yes, if a girl finds you high value you can get away with all sorts of shit (personal experience ). Aka social value.

@Federico del pueblo omg that was a typo lol. Should have been girls, my mistake

How do you manage to get hot girls then? You re probably more spiritual than 99.99% of the people that do pick up or males your age in general and still you posted pics of a hot girl you slept with. Pretty sure u were spiritual even in your early pua days, at least compared to the average person that is not spiritual much in western countries.

@Leo Gura I am 23 years old you expect me to be that selfless? Honestly though, some advice on how to balance these two things would be appreciated, i am sure you had the same issues when you started this stuff. If i just wanted to get what i wanted i would just be a devil and problem solved. However, i am trying to avoid that and be more loving and selfless while having my needs met. I think it is not asking much to have a balance on this stuff.

I get attracted to guys that hit my biological attraction switches, so do you. A guy ignoring you and not being interested in you is not an attraction switch, is just nothing. You probably got attracted to something else than him not being into you.

Plenty of guys hitting all your attraction triggers that would be into you. You are just making excuses for continuing to date people u shouldnt. So you re telling me there are no funny, confident, cute, smart guys out there that are into you that do call you back? Not 1?

Like all girls out there, not suprised at all. Humans want what they cannot have, not what is best for them. I expect people on this forum to be a bit wiser than this though.

That will depend on what is more natural for you. For some people going on a saturday walk might be more "natural" and during that walk they can do a daygame session. They are technically living their life naturally and stumble on a bunch of girls. For another person it can be a night out with friends for fun and they stumble on a bunch of girls. You can make the arguments that going on a club just to pick up girls is also "needy". Keep in mind a lot of people, including me and Leo do not really enjoy clubs per say. If i go in a club just for fun it will not be more than once every 2-3 months. Any extra time i go it will be for pickup alone. I dont enjoy clubs as a place for socializing. I basically have to go out of my way to go to a club is what i am trying to say. For some people clubbing is part of their social life and they would go there often even if they had no intention of pickup. For them great. I am not like that though. If you are then great for you. I do agree that going out on a club or busy street/mall JUST for pickup is quite needy but this is how you get good. It sucks. Which is why a lot of guys complain about girls having it easy. They dont have to do shit.