Karmadhi

I have seen a few incel channels that tried PUA and then became Incels. What I noticed is that they tried maybe 100 approaches, it did not work out and they gave up. I took Leo 440 approaches to get his first lay, many many people would have quit, become blackpill and blame their looks or whatever at that point. Lack of perseverance is a big factor among incels. So they try pua stuff but because of their bad social skills or bad appearance they do not get laid on the first 50 approaches as youtube makes it seem and they are like "fuck this, im too ugly, girls are trash" etc and become blackpilled.

You need very specific photos for it to work, it is not a matter of how good looking you are as a matter of your specific photos, it is almost like a forumula. If you want I can tell you what it is, i have observed it from people I know that do well there. One example is a below average looking guy that got laid few times from it in couple of weeks. The rest are normal looking and they do quite good in it. Being a Chad is not necessary with the right pictures. I used to believe u had to be a chad until reality beat me under submission. A social life is important for overall happiness. But I get your point.

From what I have noticed with the guys in my city that do well in online dating and cold approach, online dating is better for getting purely laid while daygame is better for finding a girlfriend. I notice often that the players I know when they go out with girls from daygame the girl often wants something more serious, meanwhile online dating is more for hookups. I am of course generalizing here. Nightgame is not done a lot in my city so I cannot say much, however it is also more hookup oriented than daygame but less than online dating, that would be my estimation. I am unsure of it though. So depending on what you want, act accordingly.

Dude if you dont like cold approach just do online dating. It can work very well. Dont listen to the negative talk here about you having to be super handsome or any of that bullshit, almost any guy can get results from it if they take care of themselves, usually their pictures suck for it. Also you can do social circle, go to events, meetups etc. 95% of the population does not do cold approach yet they still get laid/gfs.

How is your health situation going? I remember you made 2 videos about it on your blog and then said carnivore is helping a lot. Also would you reccomend it for others? A lot of people say it increases clarity of mind.

I saw this video and I really liked it. It is a very mature, Stage Green non manipulative perspective on "Shit tests". For those who cannot see the whole video I will summarize it for you very briefly: Shit tests will not occur if you are being honest and open. Find girls that will not shit test you if you are honest and open. Go for Yes girls instead of Maybe girls that you need to play 100 games with. Yes it will probably cost you some girls when you are just open and honest but we are talking quality over quantity here. The girls you will attract will be girls right for you and the relationship will be a lot more healthy and enjoyable instead of having to fake a facade 24/7. I personally find it a lot more healthy than to do the 100 objective handling, hold frame bullshit that most PUA advice is about. It also aligns a lot more with what Leo teaches, not to manipulate others.

What did he even do to deserve that? He is one of the godfathers of daygame and has helped thousands of people even people I know. Daygame is by far the most respectful and pure form of game, no alcohol or manipulation involved, did he do some juvenille shit like Julien?

I do it because it is effective for getting you laid/find a girlfriend/improve dating skills. I just have not seen benefits outside of the domain of dating/attraction/flirtation/confidence regarding dating. That is all I am saying. So of course I will continue to do it. Maybe I am missing something higher than pickup teaches you and would like to know what that is.

It would be cool if you told us to motivate us a bit because so far all I have seen is limiting belief breaking, more confidence and better skills with girls. Most of these are girl related stuff. I already have good social skills and social intelligence so maybe that is why I have not seen as much benefit as people claim.

I wish more girls thought like you....

I think it is better if you are an introvert and not the best looking guy because daygame focuses less on looks and is better for introverts. Also no competition and girls tend to be nicer when you talk to them (at least from my experience). Just be respectful and cool about it

Also consider doing some daygame. If you are more introverted or not very good looking it works better than night game. Daygame is less looks focused and less extrovert focused than nightgame. Also no bullshit friends to cockblock you and the approach can be a lot more natural and genuine.

It is not "BS", I have seen his phone myself. Many of his matches are decent. Thing is on his pictures he looks good, around a 6.5. Tinder is not as competitive as you make it if you pay for it. Issue is most profiles never get shown to girls.

Hey I wanted to make a thread because I have noticed in the gamer group in my city that a lot of the guys have a lot more results from Tinder than cold approach. Even the ones that are good tend to get a lot of their dates from Tinder because it is a lot more convenient for them. Cold approach: You need to do a few hundred approaches to get some decent skill, very emotional difficult and takes a lot lot of time. Tinder: You have to put some work up front with taking good pictures but then it is like passive income and you just need some decent text scripts which you can buy cheaply these days. Are there any benefits to doing cold approach compared to Tinder? Especially result and quantitiy wise? Maybe you can get a hotter girl from Cold approach if your skills are good but to put hundreds of hours of direct work rather than some basic work when you re taking a shit or going to work, it seems way more efficient to me. It has made me loose a bit of motivation to do cold approach, are there any benefits to it over Tinder which would make worth the insane time and work it takes? Result wise at least. PS: Someone will probably say here that you need to be good looking or something for Tinder to work well and I think that is a bullshit myth which is not true. You need to look good on your PICTURES, very different thing. Most of the guys I know that do good on Tinder are normal looking (not ugly though) and they do very well (at least 1 date per week from it). These same guys used to do horribly on Tinder but once they upgrated to Platnum and got better pro pics their results skyrocketed.

A guy I know in real life has around Owen level SMV and gets 10 matches per day from Tinder and 1-2 dates per week easily and some of those girls are quite cute. I have seen his Tinder profile when I have met him in person. How do you explain this? This SAME guy used to get almost no matches before he changed his pictures which were already professional pictures, they were just not good enough. He also told me paying for Tinder is essential otherwise you ll get nothing.

I used them as example because it is an online source easy to see. It is not these videos that made me change my opinion but that of the people I know in real life. I guess our real life personal experience differs because I have seen normal looking guys do well on Tinder so that is my bias.

Have you used this type of quality pics when you tried Tinder? The whole point of this video is that you can manipulate your looks to look way better than in real life. Girls have been doing it for ages. But tbh I dont think you need online game because you already have decent game and high standards for looks in girls. I didnt say what I said about you. I said it to guys that are just starting out and dont have 5000 approaches so they can use online dating as a supplement to get dating and texting experience and dont have high standards for looks in girls.

That is a bullshit myth I used to also believe until I started talking with some of the gamers in my city that do well with it. They are all normal looking guys and they used to get no results from Tinder. Then they started playing around with their pictures and now get like 10 matches a day. And i have seen some of the girls in their profiles, they are quite cute. Yes they are not 10/10s but most guys do not care about that. They will be happy with a 7/10. Tbh most guys have shit profiles and then complain, also they do not pay for platnum. These guys told me that Free tinder is useless. I have seen their Tinders myself so it is not bullshit, it is legit stuff. Maybe some cities are more competitive, I dont know that. I am just reporting from my experience what I have seen. The whole of Tinder is to look better in the pictures than in real life. If you are a 5/10 in real life with the right pictures you can become a 7/10.

I know many guys that replace girlfriends after a few months because they know people. The idea that you need to talk to 100 girls to get 1 only applies to cold approach, not through warm approach and social circle. Most guys date from social circle and it does not take years, usually months if they are open to it. Also I am talking about a guy with good social skills, not a broken incel that has 0 game. It is so effective that it makes cold approach seem inferior. To me it is the equivalent of taking a plane over walking or 5 meo DMT over meditation. Why walk to another country when you can take a plane to get there faster? Why meditate for 40 years to access truths you can by a few trips of DMT (you have this yourself). Same logic: Why do 100 approaches to get 1 date when you can get it from Tinder while taking a shit at your office? "You need to be handsome to get results from online dating" is a myth, at least to get decent girls. To get legit hot girls it is another story but my argument was about a decent girl, not proper hot girl. Most guys dont care about getting hot girls just like most guys dont care about becoming a millionare, they just want a decent job.

You cannot comprehend how hard it is for most guys to do approaches, especially on evening. Girls can be ruthless af in the evenings. During the day they are way nicer but still many of them can get scared from you and it does not make you feel good. You do realize that dating skills are not the same as pickup skills. You need dating skills but you can develop them from tinder because you will go on dates from it. As long as you are getting a supply of dates then who cares.

That is not the issue of most guys though. Their issue is to get a decent girl (not necessarily super hot) to be with them. This desire to fuck 100 girls is very immature and only applies to specific guys, usually with past traumas. What I meant is to get a girlfriend, date her, become single for some months and find someone else through your normal life. Also, getting laid these days is easier than ever. Just use Tinder, with the right pictures you can get options. I made a whole thread about it but in case you dont have time to read it, I have met many guys in my city (other PUAs) that get like 1-2 dates per week by using Tinder. They are normal looking, they just have very good pictures, pay platnum and have good text game. Also these same guys used to get almost no results until they changed their pictures so it is not like they re these Giga Chads or anything like that.

Some of the most conscious kind caring respectful people in my life, both guys and girls have used Tinder at least once in their lives. People can be curious, lonely, in a bad place etc and give it a shot. Does not mean they used it for a long time.

It gives you massive date experience. If you go on 2 dates per week in 1 month it is already like 10 dates which is massive experience. By cold approach you re lucky to get 1 date a week while spending at least 10 hours a week approaching girls. Yes cold approach will teach you how to do an approach but it does not necessary translate into good dating skills. To develop good dating skills you need to go on a lot of dates which is easier to do on Tinder. Tinder costs 0 time because you can do it while commuting or taking a shit.

Common myth. Almost every single guy and girl I have met has used it at least briefly. Very high value developed conscious people I know have used Tinder. Maybe not for a long time but still did. Half or something of all couples these days met online so it is no longer the case where online dating is used by weird people.

True however the guys i said get like 10 matches a day anyway so it does not matter how picky girls are when you are getting results. If you were meeting like 2 girls a week from it would you even bother still going out and doing approaches?