Karmadhi

Girls are picky in general, even ugly girls have more options than most guys due to online dating. Do not expect them to wanna fuck you just because you show some interest in them.

With these standards how can you even find a partner? Every person has flaws.

@Tudo Any thoughts on it?

I found this video on Youtube and Coray Wayne i think has good relationship advice. The guy on the video basically was very attentive, loyal and caring to the girl and she treated him like trash and dumped him without any explanation. It is stories like this that really scare me when it comes to emotionally investing in girls. No wonder players are so successful, it is a lot easier when you are a sociopath that gives 0 shits about the girl. Did this guy do something wrong or is the girl just a bitch and bad character? Sometimes it is not your fault, just the other person has bad character. Scary how heartless some people can be honestly.

Bro, not dating someone because of their accent is ridiciously superficial. I doubt you would turn down a smart kind caring honest cute girl just because of her accent. There is nothing special about american girls outside maybe being more friendly and slutty than europeans which have are more uptight at least western ones.

I have noticed and may be wrong about this that the more conscious a guy is, the less physical appearance matters to him as a whole. Basically he will value other things rather than looks a lot more. The guys that purely care about looks and do 0 compromises are usually the stange orange BRO type of guys (usually players or successful orange people like jordan belfort). I am not saying looks are not important if you become more developed and consciouss, just they matter less. So for a girl, if she is average looking but with a great personality and vibe and energy then she can probably attract a green guy who may not be as "alpha" as the orange BRO but will give her a 100 times better relationship in the end. She will be happier with him and that is what matters the most. So dont feel that bad about average girls, they will attract less guys but will definetly attract the RIGHT guy. And the RIGHT guy is measured by his wisdom, intelligence, consciousness, love and selfness. Not on BRO traits like money, status, good looks, charisma, confidence, assertivness or indiference. At least that is how i see it.

The only way i think would work is to have him go out with a guy that has whatever thing the blackpiller is insecure about, and watch the guy do good with girls. For example i was kinda blackpilled about my height (im 5 7) and i went out for a daygame sesson with an experienced daygamer who was 5 6. After seeing him absolutely kill it even with girls taller than him, my height insecurity was reduced in a way that no self-help method could ever do. It did wonders for me watching him.

For sure. Which is why i try to minimize it by focusing on introverted decent looking intellectual girls over extroverted hot party girls. The former tend to value things like wisdom, kindness and ambition more than party extroverted girls do. They tend to be more mature and wise is what im saying. Also helps if she is not super hot but just cute (so attractive enough to fuck but not the "WOW so hot" kind of girl). Most of these types of girls that i know usually have dated quite good guys that were not player assholes. Player assholes tend to focus on the 9s and 10s instead of the 6s-6.5s.

If your product is good then you need to manipulate less because if you honestly talk about it it will appear like a great product. Used cars salesmen are sleezy people because usually their product is not that good so they need clever manipulation tactics to make it seem better than it is. So from what you are saying raising your value as a guy is a good way not to be forced to manipulate as much. Of course i ll still manipulate, mostly unconsciously, it is just the type of fucked up manipulation like random ghosting and growing hot/cold for no reason which is what i really am against doing from an ethical pov. If working on myself hard (humour, confidence, ambition, gym, style, facial exercises, nice friends, hobbies, reading, good sex etc) will allow me to get decent girls without doing that toxic shit then im all up for it. Key word is decent here, i am never talking about banging 9/10 models. More like that cute introvert intellectual girl you see on your local starbucks reading a book by herself.

Can good looks, social status at a reasonable level (no celebrety) , friends, being successful etc count as emotional stimulation or is it just the way you behave? Does being toxic and ghosting girls randomly count as emotional stimuation? I see some guys do this and it works good for them (at the expense of the girl ofc). This is really scary tbh, so all guys manipulate their way to sex? I know really good guys that are not manipulative at all and still got girls, they manipulate unconsciously? You also manipulate girls every time you get laid?

Why so? Could you please elaborate? I agree with you and am very very curious to know why.

Parks are also great from my experinece. Bunch of bored girls (sometimes lonely too) not doing anything and usually they have plenty of time to talk to you. I know a guy who half of his pulls are from parks

For all you people saying you need to look like a model to get results from online dating. Watch this. If you want to talk to them face to face then do either day or nightgame and social circle/events. Daygame works best if you are an introvert. Nightgame works best if you are an extrovert. Social circle/events work for both.

Why is it such a big turn off for you girls? Personally i am not shy, more like chill and low energy but not rly shy. However i used to be shy in the past and it killed my results with girls. I find shy girls cute,

LOL i am also kinda like that guy you mentioned. Interesting to see how girls probably see me from their pov. Were you attracted to him at first or did his behaviour turn you off somehow? Because if you want on a date with him in the first place it means you found him attractive enough to kiss/have sex with normally. How do non masculine guys get girls? I have met quite few of them with decent girls and it always baffles me. Like shy, meek guys basically.

So i have started to slowy do some game in my city (Brussels). I have done maybe a dozen approaches and around 8 nights out in clubs here. Also a bit of daygame but mostly indirect just to get a feeling for it. I have noticed that in nightgame i dont get any IOIs from girls. IOIS are a short word for "indicators of interest" which is basically when a girl looks at you or smiles or gives some info that she wants to be approached. I never get this, girls just ignore me and treat me as if i dont exist. It is a bit bad for my self-esteem because it makes me feel unattractive. Is it normal not to get any IOIs or am i just blind to them and cant tell? I dont consider myself bad looking and i dress decently but i am not like super handsome or anything (probably around a 6/10 in a good day but short around 5 8). I know that you guys say that you should approach regardless and that game matters more etc etc but as a beginner it is a bit discouraging especially since almost all the approaches i ve done where the girl didnt give me any sign didnt go anywhere. What demotivates me is when i see a girl, she looks around and does not even stop half a second to look at me. It is as if i dont exist. My other friends do get some IOIs sometimes in the meanwhile. For daygame i dont expect IOIs much due to the fact that it is not a setting where girls are looking for guys. What advice would you give me to improve my inner game on this? Does it happen for you often that a girl totally ignores you then you manage to attract her regardless? Also for daygame do IOIs exist or too rare to think about? Ps: i am not talking about experts of game, mostly begginers and maybe intermediates.

Understood.

@Leo Gura I am not talking about hot girls. I am talking about girls in general. Personally i dont limit myself to only approaching hot girls, especially in the learning stage. As long as they are not legit ugly in my eyes i see them as valuble options. I dont expect hot girls to do that, i am expecting average girls to do it. I get your logic though.

I am talking about girls locking eyes with you and maybe smiling (or not) while looking around in the venue. So prior to approaching. You know the usual, you guys lock eyes, you smile, she smiles and you go and approach. I never get this, girls just look around like i dont exist and it is quite degrating to my self-esteem. Like am i really this ugly that no girl in the venue finds me attractive? I understand it wont happen often unless you re super handome but fuck, with me it basically never happens. It feels like i am overcompensating to try to attract girls just by my "personality" and game only. Like i feel i am not good enough and am overcompensating. To me it should be like: "Hmm this guy is kinda cute, lets see what he is like". Then you show them your personality and that initial attraction is solidified, further developed and properly turned into kiss/lay/gf etc.

"Harassment" I think we have bigger issues in the world than some people crying like babies about such BS. If people consider this harassment than half of the forumn would have been banned for "harassement". That twitt he made could have been avoided but to ban someone for it to me seems a bit harsh and too controlling. People have opinions, as long as they are not promoting violence or hatred i see no reason why they should be controlled.

I understand, thank you. I recently met a guy in my city that did exlcusively daygame and he was INSANELY good (24 year old around 2000 approaches in 1.5 years). He really opened my eyes to whats possible and the best part he was bit shorter than me (around 5 6). Really interesting experience. Why dont you do more daygame? I have recently been doing some nightgame but i find that it is so against my personality and strenghts that it seems like i can do better during the day. Are girls during the day in Vegas really that much worse looks wise than during the night? I feel like you would do really good in daygame given your personality strenghts.

Can you enter state with daygame too?

Do you know what attraction triggers you need to trigger on females in social circle for that NOT to happen (friendzone), when you re not trying to actively hit on her. I know guys that just act normal with girls without hitting on them or anything like that (maybe some light flirting) and girls fall for them (not all but does happen SOMETIMES). I would like to be like that. Normally when i act "normal" with a girl i just get friendzoned hard and it is bit frustrating. The only times i did not get friendzoned and the girl was somewhat or properly intersted, honestly i could not tell what i did different, in my mind i acted the same but apparently something was different (happened like 3 times max though so barely). I know guys though that it happens quite more often. This is a supplement to going out and actively approaching and meeting girls ofc, i am not saying you should rely on this or anything, i just see it as a passive income especially because i tend to meet a lot of hot girls from social circle stuff so feels like a lot of wasted chances.

@Leo Gura You are completly right however i have noticed with people i know that often, especially in school or friend circles it happens that two people might start dating after some time of knowing each other. The girl starts liking the guy out of the blue after some time and they end up together. How does this happen? It has always baffled me because it never ever has happened to me and made me feel quite bad about myself and affected my self-esteem badly. Like especially in western countries it is not uncommon for people that know each other for some time to hook up or just start dating. I am always talking here about social circle or common environements kind of stuff which is where i hear the stories from. How does this happen?

Didnt you say the opposite of this on your "How to be a man part 2" video. There you said a strong man is in touch with his feminine side and stuff. Here you talk about the typical Blue masculinity which is more "soldier" or "bro" type.