Karmadhi

It takes me around 2 hours to do 10 solid approaches. That means 100 hours to get 1 lay. Do you really expect people to be ok with such numbers? Maybe at first ok since it is an investment to learn the skills but normally it should be less once you get the first few hundreds of approaches away and learn the basics. A friend of mine took 600 approaches for first his lay then around 1000 he started getting consistent results. Now he sleeps with around 1/20 girls he approaches (he has done close to 3000 though).

Practice mindfulness and presence when you talk to girls.

So after a lot of procrastinating I finally embarked on my pickup journey around 2 months ago. So far it has been an interesting experience and I would like to share with you some of the benefits I have noticed and also a list of limiting beliefes which i would appreciate some advice with. First of all just to make it clear, I am still a newbie and around the 100 approach mark. Most of them were from nightgame (usually bars or social areas where I live) but also did some day approaches. For day it was especially brutal because I associate it with something weird so I started to first give compliments (5 a day) then built up into conversations. I would say most approaches were from night though (I dont really count compliments as approaches because I never did conversations even though some girls were super receptive to the compliment). There is a telegram group from my city, BIG THANK YOU to @Leo Gura for posting it on this forum which allowed me to find wings in a quite active community. Now some of the positive things I noticed: = I am a lot less insecure about my looks since now I can tell that girls can get attracted to me, most are not but usually some are and it feels quite good. = Sense of hope, I know I wont die alone haha = Really helped me getting over the fear of rejection which was a huge issue. The first time I did a semi cold approach at a university party (before the game journey) I got a super nice rejection and was so upset about it I literally left the party. Now I can get rejected 5 times a night even harshly and I give 0 shits the next minute. = Learned how to use presence and awareness to help with attraction. Also improved charisma slightly and ability to build rapport really fast (helps with social events). =Doing something most people do not have the balls to do always feels good. =Met some interesting people and some guys with really good game (not Youtube level but still amaizing) =Even though daygame seems more weird to me, I actually get better actual results from it. I have managed to get 1 date from it and also some contacts which always respond so that is quite nice. Now some limiting beliefs I still have = It feels somehow like I have failed in other ways of getting girls and have resorted to the most hardcore path ever. Makes me feel a bit bad about myself somewhat, like I am a not a normal person that can get girls normally. I have pretty decent social skills and a healthy circle of friends (both guys and girls, even pretty girls) so I wonder why... =Still am feeling a bit jealous of girls or very good looking guys for not having to endure this stuff and just getting attention for existing. Especially girls. Sometime wishing to be born a girl. I intent to continue doing this in the future even though I can meet girls in other ways naturally, just the volume from those ways is not enough.

Leo take into account that people have different personalities and vibes. Just because a few people can do that does not mean most people can even with practice. I know a guy in my city that has insane game and he outperforms guys that have been doing game way longer than him. Because he has the right personality for it. I agree that with lots of practice you can improve a lot but comparing yourself with a specific person is not correct in my opinion. Also take into account that people have different lives. Some people have other stuff to do outside game like friends, hobbies, work etc so they cannot afford to do hardcore pickup every single week for many years. Maybe you designed your life in a way where you could take a 2 year break from other stuff and just do pickup but most cannot do that. I am not saying that you cannot go out at all, that is ofc an excuse that guys use. However to me if you are able to do 1000-2000 approaches (especially if you do a lot of daygame) , especially if you have some decent social skills to begin with it should be enough to handle your dating life with that experience, assuming your standards arent crazy high and you are not going for the top 5% of women. Just to have a decent dating life and some options.

Thank you I agree totally. I used to be REALLY insecure but now slightly less because I just focus on the girls that are interested. If I approach 10 girls and 1 or 2 are interested I see it as "that is great, some girls like me" instead of "omg most girls dont like me". Thank you for the tip but tbh I never struggled with this. I am a well educated person so my issue was just shit talk more than being geeniounly interesting. Agreed. Agreed. Thank you

How? I am confused about it. So far the benefits I have received have been stuff like more confidence, better flirting skills, being able to talk with people more easily etc. What other growth is there? You have said it yourself that pickup is more of a shallow pursuit so you wont experience spiritual growth from it, so what growth is there except more confidence, better flirting/social skills and more charisma? Not saying these things are not great but it feels like I am just doing catch up more than anything else.

The thing is that my growth is just catching up to what people have naturally. Not giving a shit about rejection, being more confident and having some options, many guys and girls have these naturally. It is not like i am growing in a way that they do not have originally. Therefore as nice as it is, it does not properly satisfy me.

I dont enjoy it that is the thing. How can I learn to enjoy it?? I see them as having many options and insane social value without doing anything and getting a bunch of freebies. It seems like their life is way easier.

Going in completly empty not expecting anything and just going in to give value. For day you just go in to give a compliment without strings attached and if she is receptive to it you continue talking. You must be naïve, innocent and curious during it. Not like a starved pickup daygame dog. Also basically turning down your mind and not thinking at all. Just being presence in the moment. Meditation helps, also practice mindfulness during your day. Walk around for 10 minutes without thinking anything. For evening, it is about strong eye contact, close distance and just being present. Focus all ur energy towards her, smile and dont think of anything. Best way I can describe it tbh. Everyone I know did via Tinder or social circle.

May I ask why you always assess girls in terms of hotness as the main factor? It seems to me quite orange from such a developed person. Not saying looks don't matter but there is a lot more to a person than just their looks, especially when you go on the higher stages. You can approach an okay looking girl and get in a great relationship if the other factors are on point.

If a girl takes care of herself she wont be unattractive. Taking care of a woman involves makeup, going to the gym and some surgery worst case. That is a lot easier to do than learning pickup or game for a guy so even unattractive girls have it easier than unattractive guys in terms of raising their value. Just look at some celebreties before and after to see the difference it can make, same person. I know girls that went from a 4 to a 7 just from a nosejob and going to the gym in 3 months.

I feel like they are objectivelly better as girlfriends and partners compared to stage green equality girls. At least a lot of guys from green countries tend to like to date blue girls due to that.

Feminism has changed that, especially for young girls. Not the case anymore in developed countries. True but basically they need to put an extra 1000 hours or more to get what girls get without any effort. I get your point though. Very true for the most part, however do girls really want to marry a 45 year old guy? What about 50? Mostly true except weight. It is an issue for both genders. Youth i agree with you. Very true. Very true, however there is no proof that it does decrease the quality of life. Maybe being more emotional makes u happier than being a stoic robot like a lot of guys are. This is neither a good or bad thing. They dont have to so why would they? You arent out hunting for deer for example. You take no initiave in getting your own food, you just pick the food that is given in front of you in a store. So now the ancient humans are more lucky than you that they get to kill whatever food they want to eat? Not having to worry about dating and just picking one of the dozens options in front of you is a priviledge not a curse. Very true for the most part. I like it for most domains of life except dating haha.

You already get lifted up by the bunch of guys giving you attention 24/7 so no complaints

So in what regard do guys have more leeway? You are basically saying that guys need to work harder than girls in general. So females have it easier?

That is 70 approaches a week which is kinda ridicioulous. Nobody can do that much unless it is their full time job. Most guys struggle to do 25 a week at best. Secondly, i met a guy who had around 2k approaches, even had an excel shit and his skills are insane. He can get number of like 50% of girls he opens during day and is a local coach atm. I have seen him in action, total beast. When he started he had a lot of approach anxiety but had decent social skills. I always assume you have a healthy social life and decent social skills before you start this stuff. Not someone that has never talked to someone in his life. Then ofc 2k might not be enough.

I have met most good gamers in my city and tbh the most i have seen is 2000 from a guy and he is a total beast. Gets like 60% number and close to 1 lay per 15 approaches (day guy). The rest that get good results usually are between 500-1000. I think 5000 is a bit overkill unless you are looking to become a world class PUA with 200 lays or something or unless you are a very hard case with 0 social skills when you start. Personally i started doing it recently and it took me around 7 approaches to get my first date from it. Probably luck but the rest i know started getting results around the 500 mark. By results i mean consistently kinda, not just 1 lucky date. Most of them are during day though, maybe night requires more volume idk. I say this cuz when someone hears 5000-10.000 they will be greatly discouraged when its not really necessary unless u wanna be world class at this stuff, when most guys dont.

Why dont you fall for good guys then? They are also trustworthy and will actually not take advantage of your trust. Good kind guys with integrity are the most trustworthy people of all.

Unfortunately in most societies men are supposed to get married around 30 before they peak in value so they never capitalize it properly. In my home country if a man is 35 and unmarried people will start wondering if there is something wrong with him. If he is 40 and goes for a hot 25 year old people will judge the shit out of them. Being a player till 40 and getting married at 45 is a Western priviledge. In some countries men marry at 25 ffs.

I have noticed, even with very intelligent well educated females i know, they pick their partners JUST based on how they "feel about them". Nothing else is taken into account. I never understood this, personally i would never seriously date someone just because of how i felt. Are guys more logical or it is a deeper element to this?

PICKUP ARTISTS MUST BE STOPPED - YouTube This is a video AG Hayden made which shows what i mean exactly. These feminist garbage videos really contribute negatively to society. They are as toxic as a Andrew Tate videos and should be banned. Bunch of biases.

I still dont think its a good idea to shame masculinity, especially the non-toxic one and pussify men. Even Leo has said this in a comment he made in his old pickup videos, went something like :You have become pussified by modern society. Pussifying men does not help society.

Library and parks. Conferences Events with an intellectual component to them like book seminars. University campuses IF you re the right age and can pull it off. Anywhere thats not a club/bar almost hahahah.

Why are men today so meek and weak and soft compared to the in the past? I also see it especially in rich developed countries. I have read that society enforces this to make it easier to control them and it rewards meekness and not standing up for yourself by shaming masculinity in the media. Owen Cook and many PUAs have said this. What are your thoughts?

Do you have something against daygame btw? I notice you never mention it, only nightgame on clubs and bars. I know plenty of guys that do like 20 approaches a week from daygame (10 per session/2 session a week). You think is less effective or? I personally do better there than nightgame that is why i was wondering.