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@Breakingthewall Your whole post is extremely biased and racist. What Israel should do is realize its policies only create and enforce terrorists. They should stop expanding their land, give back some land to the Palestinians and give same legal rights to Palestinians. Same way white americans did to afro americans. This will ease the hatred towards Israel and move things towards a better future. It is the least Israel can do to cleanse its sins since 70 years ago. Just like Germany did. Otherwise keep doing things the same way and endure terrorist attacks forever.

Leo how have you been feeling these days? I read you are taking a break from Actualized.org.

@Leo Gura It is also toxic Blue and overly nationalistic with a toxic Zionist Ideology. Being a liberal democracy is irrelevant when your entire population is brainwashed. I know people that visited there and told me the amount of brainwashing they put kids from early school is insane. A brainwashed population will elect brainwash leaders that dehumanize their "enemies" and have no moral qualms about killing them. It is not rocket science. Most of Israeli s population was born after Israel was founded and have been brainwashed all their life to believe they are right. Also the current government being Zionist does not help. Zionism is quite toxic if you have read about it. You can find plenty of intellectually honest Israelis deeply critizining their governments and calling out their propaganda bullshit and inhumane treatment of palestininas

I think the difference is that Leo views Israel government as more morally developed than some of us here do. Personally i would put them on the level of Putin's Russia.

You seem to be more critical of Russia's war crimes than Israel which is an issue. Both governments are toxic Blue overly nationalistic. Is it hard to believe a nationalistic blue government is capable to commit war crimes without much moral qualms? It has been happening for centuries. Nothing new here. However, Russia does not get away with it and Israel does. This unequal treatment is what causes all the outrage. And similar acts to this also have been happening in the past in that region. Google the conflict there in 2014, 5 Israel civilians dead to over 2000 palestininas, there were no savage Hamas killing civilians in mass back then.

@Leo Gura So Israeli is bombing many hospitals by your logic… Is it not hard to believe they realized they messed up once they saw the extent of the damage done and the international outrage and decided to change the narrative. Most countries would do it Usa lied about invading a whole country, this is not new stuff. Also that tweet came from Benjamin s spokeperson, not just any Israeli

@Leo Gura You are conviently ignoring the fact that Izraeli officials tweeted about successfuly bombing a hospital and killing “terrorists in there” and then deleting the tweet once footage started coming out and the world got angry. This is more telling than any “investigation” they may do about responsibility of the attack. They literally admited it…

There were tweets by Israel just after the attack claiming they had destroyed a hospital and killed terrorists in it". Then the tweet was deleted and the narrative was created that Hamas rockets did it. Why would Israel spokesperson claim that in the first place? Maybe they realized the outrage was immense, realized they went too far and blaime it on Hamas. Does not sound too hard to believe does it? I am suprised you even take IDF seriously, they are as credible of a source as Russia s army. Name of the person was Hananya Naftali if you are wondering.

Sorry to say but Israel had it coming. If you poke a Hornet s nest enough, it will sting you back. I am not saying the people that died deserved to die, they were innocent civilians, but it is their government actions over the span of decades that broke the camel back and led to the tragedy. It is not an unprovoked attack. Ukraine also does the same yet it gets love and support. Russia claims it bombed Ukranian civilian areas for the very same reason. Also nobody here supports Hamas, we just understand why they do what they do. If possible everyone here would love Hamas to be wiped out but when it takes 10.000 innocent palestinian civilian lives to do so then of course we will revolt. Especially when many of them can be avoided if Israel is willing to.

This is my whole point... but @Scholartends to ignore it and just call us "kids".

You seem to support Israel or at least see it equal instead of an oppressor. May I ask what makes you see them as not horrible? How are Palestinians equal to Israel in guilt or blame here?

Scary how a few rich Jews can influence the whole west to totally ignore all their morals about what is wrong and right

@PurpleTree Reddit is very reliable indeed... Unless official news say so, the current narrative told even by BBC is that Israel did it.

We are quick to do so because Israel openly views Palestinians as subhumans and has 0 moral qualms about their lives. It is not like some wars where both sides have basic human respect for each other civilians.

@Danioover9000 Sorry I meant MODERN RUSSIA under PUTIN. Putin is wanted for war crimes in the Hague. How many Israel leaders are wanted?

Pain makes you wiser and more loving. Look at Europe after the second world war, it united and now is 1 unit (western europe) after doing god how many wars.

@hundreth I use it as a rhetoric since Jews should be the most loving people after what they went through by Nazis, if they had learned their lession but it seems that they did not. Einstein was wise enough not to support Israel. I compare Israel with Russia in terms of how brutal they are in war. If you could tell me how Russia is worse, I am all ears.

I could say the same for you holding into the Western Bias that justifies Israel and condemns Hamas. One is toxic Blue and the other is toxic Red. I cannot help but see Israel as modern day Nazis, and I am from a country that supports Israel.

You keep ignoring historical context. If Israel treated Palestinians humanely and then Hamas did this, it would be a totally different scenario. However the issue is that Israel has carped bombed Palestine and had 0 regards for their lives for decades now. What about 2014? Only 5 Israeli civilians dead compared to over 1000 Palestinians. Why was not Israel sanctioned and its leaders trialed for war crimes? Could it be that the West has interests to support Israel and it is willing to ignore war crimes.

It has a racist zionist government and most of its population is brainwashed. What is hard to believe here? It is not the first time a country had a racist government which believed itself to be superior to its neighbhours. Nobody is saying every Israeli is evil or anything like that. Just like not every German in Nazi Germany was bad or every russian in Putin s Russia is bad. Many intellectually honest Israelis have criticized its government and its past actions, ironically they have been outcasted.

And USA s image is heavily damaged by how they acted and has been criticized ever since. So you are saying they are acting wrongly here. I am all for that, however cutting down electricity and water for millions and bombing hospitals seems like a very ruthless way of doing so which totally ignores civilians caught in the crossfire. Again, when Russia did the same to Ukranins the EU leaders made posts calling it a war crime and collective punishment. That is where I learned that it is not acceptable behaviour. Keep in mind Israel is a new country created by taking land from a soverign legitimate state which was Palestine in 1947. Their very existence as a state is controversial. Imagine me coming to your home and demanding most of it because according to what I believe, it was my house 2000 years ago.

I am quoting similar things that have been called Russia which i dont think behaves any less humanely than the Israel army, at least airstrike wise. They took most of their land, forcing hundreds of thousands to leave their homes. What is that?

@Scholar There were plenty of crimes being commited in Donbask , a province mainly Russian by Ukraine nationalists. Google it a bit. Also those sensless act of terrorism as you call it is the result of Israel treatment of Palestinians for over 70 years. Do not ignore historical context here. This is not an independent act. You can see from 2008 the ratio of Palestinians to Israelis killed is 20 to 1. So those acts of sensless terrorism is the outcome you get from your policies.

Israel is acting just like Russia does. Well when you ethnic cleanse, commit genocide, steal land and treat millions as subhumans for 70 years that is what is expected to happen. I feel sorry for the innocents that were killed but it was not unprovoked. Israel attitude towards Palestine is the true cause of all this conflict. In 2014 alone Israel killed more than Hamas did a few days ago. Their attitude towards Palestine is same as Nazis had towards Slavs.

So is Russia attack on Ukraine by your logic. Yet West condemns it. Why so?