Karmadhi

If girls loathe you during daygame then something about your approach or vibe is seriously off. Not being interested is not the same thing as loathing.

@Kid A Really depends. Many go out with their friends to dance and all and others do not like guys to approach them because in their mind they just want to fuck. I am sure many others do go out to meet guys though. Say whatever you want but for myself and many other guys I know girls were more interested in us during the day given our personalities and looks. People are different, expecting the same thing to work for everyone is just silly. If night works better for you then great. I am not here writing comments shitting on nightgame because I am aware people are different and have different strengths/weaknesses.

@something_else I notice you tend to be very biased against daygame. Like every time pickup is mentioned you shit on daygame. Have you had some traumatizing bad experience with daygame to hate it so much? I understand and agree with you that it can be somewhat weird to go out and approach girls however there are a few things you are failing at noticing. 1. You support the idea of talking to girls during your day however 99% of the population will not be able to do that without some training first. Daygame sessions are a tool you use in order to get over your anxiety and improve your skills. Then after doing sessions for some time you can start doing daygame as part of your life (as it should be done). So you should see these sessions as a transitory phase not as the end goal itself. 2. While you say that daygame is "creepy", most girls tend to respond better when you approach them during the day compared to during the evening (assuming you have decent social skills and intelligence and you dress well). Many guys tell me that girls even if they are not interested are usually quite polite as long as you are respectful. If daygame was so creepy then how come during evening they are way more harsh? 3. This will vary but in many cities you have communities of guys that go out and do daygame together. Basically you walk around with a friend and approach everytime you see a girl you like. Basically a wingman to keep you company during the session. So it becomes a bit more social, almost as if you are hanging out and approaching's is part of the thing. 4. If you think you are a high value guy and you have a lot of love to give then you will not feel creepy while doing daygame because you are giving a girl the chance to meet you which normally she would not have. I feel like people have a cartoonish idea of the creepy daygame guy that has 0 social intelligence and says overly gaming things and think that is what daygame is like. Try it: Go out 1 day, find 10 girls you like. Stop them, give them a genioune compliment while looking at them in the eye and have a short normal conversation with them (assuming they have time) and wish them a good day. I am sure most of them will be nice to you.

I know guys that have done 2000 daygame approaches in like 2 years. They would do 10 approaches on a 2 hour season in a busy street. You can easy see like 30 to 40 girls your age walking alone in a spam of 2 hours in a busy street. Thing is that we live in Europe where you have many pedestrian areas. I dont know how it is in America if you guys have busy pedestrian areas.

Is this daygame or nightgame advice?

Maybe do daygame. In a busy street or mall you can easy find 6-7 girls worth approaching in 30 minutes so it should be enough. Issue will be getting the courage to approach and you will loose many potential girls because you are scared to approach them.

And for daygame? (not counting commute to a good daygame spot)

What did you do exactly? I am looking for self improvement ideas in untapped markets so anything is welcome Well imagine you knew a girl in your social circle or at work or from hobbies etc and you did not think much of her. Now she does a surgery or looses a lot of weight (if she was overweight) or workouts a lot etc and now she is suddenly quite hot to you. You feel this desire to date her and be with her based on the transformation. I am sure it has happened to many guys including myself at least once with a girl and we find it quite ok. However the girl might feel just like you are feeling right now. Do not take it personally.

Hello I have noticed that when I try to do daygame (talking to girls on street, park, squares etc), they tend to be in general nicer to you and be more willing to talk to you than girls during nightgame (bars and clubs). Not counting girls that are in a hurry during daygame, the rest tend to be quite ok with talking to you even though it is a very uncommon context for them. Meanwhile during nightgame they tend to be dismissive and not talkative at all unless you really manage to hook them which can be hard as a newbie if they are not into you. During the day you need way less fancy stuff, just be comfortable, positive, smile and have a normal conversation with them. Why this difference? How can I manage to make girls during nightgame more responsive?

Is there any benefit in doing nightgame over daygame then? In my city the quantity of girls during day is around the same and the girls being rude made me kind of quit nightgame (at least for now) and focus on day.

@Raze This could be easily solved by finding something in the middle. Most guys are either asshole players nor shy nerds, they are something in the middle. Just go for those guys in the middle and problem solved. Most guys I know are those in the middle. So someone that has some confidence, can make jokes, has their life together etc. I never refer to autistic guys that cannot hold a conversation with a girl.

Hello I have noticed by talking with my female friends that most of them are frustrated or unhappy with their dating life. It makes totally no sense to me because most of them have plenty of guys that have hit on them at some point, most of these guys were quite good guys, not players. Smart, fit, interesting, caring, kind guys. However they still feel frustrated. Often the frustration comes because 1 specific guy that they liked either hurt them or dumped them or whatever and now they feel like dating sucks etc, conveniently ignoring all the other guys that also showed them interest. So because 1 guy, often a very high value guy relative to you hurt you, now you multiply all the other 9 guys with 0. I do not understand it. The girls of the forum could give insight on this

May I ask what was your motivation to do pickup when it is so hardcore instead of getting results via more traditional ways like social circle, events, group parties etc?

@assx95 Why dont you try online dating? It is the easiest way to get dates imo, just do a photoshoot, get tinder platinum and problem solved. You will probably get a few dates from it at least and maybe even a lay

It would be cool if you make a video about "What it means to be a man" which could be a direct antidote to Andrew Tate philosophy about it means to be a man. It could go up to the metaphysical level and help many young men. Perhaps "What is masculinity" could be a good title. Just a suggestion

Why dont you do daygame if nightgame is not your natural thing? You have said yourself it suits you more. Is Vegas that bad for daygame? In videos online I see it has plenty of busy streets filled with people. Daygame can also be done with a wing, in my city it is mostly daygame and you have 2 or 3 guys meeting and doing it and pushing each other. Now that you have the skills you can do 10 daygame approach per session and probably get a few numbers from each.

I have heard that your body can adjust depending on how much you sleep. Like it is flexible not fixed on a specific amount. Normally I need around 8.5-9 hours to feel well rested but last summer for around 3 weeks I went through a very busy period and I was sleeping around 5 hours a night. After 10 days or so I started to feel well rested with 7 hours of sleep when normally 7 hours is not enough for me. What are your thoughts on this?

Im just a bit butthurt and annoyed about having to do this game shit to have a decent dating life cuz i do not really enjoy it much but I am doing the work nonethless. I just like to catharsis sometimes here. In real life I am super positive, this is my emotional dumpster.

They fall for high value guys which are not most people. They also cut you off for all sorts of stuff. The only guys I know that have options with girls are either very good looking guys (genetic lotary) or guys that went through legit HELL to build their game (like Leo did). To need to either win genetic lottary or go through hell to have options with girls is fucked up. I do not see girls going through hell if they are not top 10% of looks, they still have more options than most guys. And not only shit options but the decent guys in their social circle or work which they love to friendzone all the time.

Very interesting. Im curious, these guys that girls tolerate a lot are they players with great game or not? If you are a PUA player or natural game person then I agree with you but most guys are not. Being a decent guy that treats girls well does not mean you need to have great game. Many (but not all) of the experiences I have heard of girls being hurt by guys was because the guys tended to be playerish kinda guys with lots of options with other girls. This does not mean he is a decent guy. To me decent guy is based on being responsible, reliable, interesting (so not boring), secure in himself, wise, caring and having his life together. Many of these guys are not girl magnet yet would make the best boyfriends. So it is not hard for a girl to get a decent guy that will treat her well. Biggest issue I guess is that these guys sometimes are scared to approach but it can be solved by dating them from work/social circle etc.

I agree with you that they are frustrated. I have spoken with many many about this and they are not happy at all. However, I have noticed that the main reason it happens is because they are looking for the perfect guy and have unrealistic expectations. Also if a guy does 1-2 mistakes somewhere they immediately cut him off and are overall a lot harsher. If a guy was as harsh and picky as most girls he would never get laid unless he was a proper PUA (which are like 5% of the population of men max). So they are creating their own problem. It is as if I will only work if I get top 10% salary or only eat restourant level foods. It is a silly and childish logic, real life you need to be make compromises and settle.

How can you do that? Aside from good in bed and making jokes/playful any other way? Does being ambitious and passionate about life count as emotional stimulation? Does being able to talk about different topics and interesting to talk to count? Does being confident in yourself count? Does positive vibe count?

I am talking about purely relationship stuff. Not sex. Girls I know they have guys behind them and I met some of them, they are very stable guys and quite developed people. You do not need to be hot top 20% to have a decent guy want to be with you and treat you well. That is what i have seen with my own eyes. If you associate decent guy with a player with good game then I agree. Personally i associate decent guy with intelligence, stability, development and being not boring to talk with. However it is not that hard for a girl to find a smart, caring, stable guy that also has some confidence and humour (just not on player level). I honestly do not know why you have this idea that unless a girl is 8+ then guys will just pump and dump her and not treat her well. Even a 6 will get guys that will be interested in her for something more serious and treat her well. Because I have seen it a lot with couples I know in real life and just talking to people. Maybe in USA or Vegas is different idk, I am not discrediting your personal experiences but mine are quite different.

Thing is that you do not need to be in the top 10% to actually have decent dating options as a girl. Even a relatively cute girl will have more options than most guys so by default they have it easier. It is only the legit ugly girls that have it worse, I would say 80% of girls have it easier than 80% of guys. Or in other words only 20% of girls actually struggle compared to like 80% of guys. I have plenty of female friends from all sorts of attractiveness ranges and honestly most of them get attention from pretty decent guys. Yes, they may not be a super mega player or millionare celebrity but they are usually kind, caring well put together smart guys that have shit going on their lives. Keep in mind most dating happens via online dating or social stuff and there a cute girl will do more than well enough. A girl does not need to get approached on a club or street to have dating options.

How are your social skills? Many people here might dissagree with this but if you do not have at least decent social skills and social intelligence then I think you have more important things to worry about than pickup. To develop social skills pickup is not the best way because it is very artificial and mechanical. For that I would reccomend meetup events and social groups, best way to grow your social skills really fast. Once you become likable and ease to talk with, you can go to pickup. Doing pickup with bad social skills to me is pointless and will make the journey hell. If you have already decent social skills then just focus on more approaches.