Karmadhi

Are you from Israel or something? You seem quite triggered about the criticism of Israel.

And IDF deserves what Hamas and Hezbollah gave them. Two devils co destroying each other. Win for the world.

So did Hitler about Germans. The two leaders are quite similar in a lot of ways. Bibi version of Israeli security is to wipe out everyone around Israel to ensure Israel has nobody to attack it. Bibi makes Putin look soft in comparison.

Did you read my previous post here? I literally said USA gives Israel FAR MORE support than ANY other European country. Why so? Compare the unconditional support Ukraine gets compared to Israel, especially among Republicans. Why the America first people say "USA first with Israel as an exception". I do not see them say "USA first with Ukraine or France or Italy or whatever as an exception". There is a pure insane Israeli favourism here which I fail to understand why. There are plenty of non Muslim liberal democracies out there that do not get the same unconditional support Israel gets. Hence my only conclusion is the AIPAC influence and Jewish influence in USA media and politics. If there is another reason, feel free to tell me.

What relationship? What does USA get back? The irony is that Israel provides USA intelligence against terrorism which exists because of USA support of Israel in the first place! USA gets oil from Saudi, has good relations with most countries there and also buys weapons from Saudi. How exactly does Israel aid USA so much? I feel like USA does 10x more than Israel does back. I do not want to go to theories but I feel like the only rational explanation is the power of the Jewish Lobby (AIPAC) and most of the media being owned/run by Jews/Zionists. Basically total infiltration.

Did you forget Israel has nuclear weapons and is the only country in the region that does? That alone makes it impossible to actually destroy Israel.

Why does the US SPECIFICALLY lick the ass of Israel compared to other countries? Damn, even hardcore pro USA isolationalist republicans have said "USA first and only with Israel as an exception". I have not seen the USA gives this amount of unconditional support to any other country. There are plenty of other countries with Western values out there, plenty of countries that buy from the US, plenty of countries that even align with the US religion as Christians. For example Ukraine is a moderate democracy, very pro US these days and has arms agreements with the US. Yet the support Israel gets is far bigger and unconditional. I doubt USA would do what it does for Israel for countries like Italy or Macedonia for example. Why is Israel so special? And if you will say "It is their only ally in the Middle East", as far as i know Saudi is also a USA ally, gives them oil and buys weapons from them. I can understand fundamentally why USA supports Israel over Palestine, but I cannot understand why it supports Israel far more than ANY other country in the world.

Thank you for your response. Really appreciate you being so active in these threads and replying to us personally. Very few do that. We learn as much from this forum and interacting with you personally as we do from your videos

I have seen a lot of Israeli remarks about that where they say that they gave Palestinians multiple chances to create their own state including the Oslo accords and they turned them all down. Also when they withdrew from Gaza in 2005, Gaza was turned into Hamastan. Basically saying Israel was willing to have peace but Palestinians always refused it. Now, what would you say to them as a response?

Like Judaism is better lol, it came up before Islam anyway. I do not like orthodox Islam nor religion for that matter but it is so hypocritical for someone living in a Judaist country to criticize and insult other religions.

It would good if the other Hezbollah of the Middle East (IDF) also went up in flames.

There is, it is called the QURAN. The Quran has not been changed since its inception and that is what Islam is about. The moment you go outside the QURAN then it is no longer Islam but something else. And QURAN makes it clear that killing non combatants is strictly forbidden. In the case of Islam, the QURAN is so powerful that people are forced to memorize it. I do agree that there are cases where the QURAN can be interpreted but when it comes to how you wage war, it is quite clear. A child chilling home is a non combatant. There is no "what if" there. So what Hamas did is non Islamic behaviour. Same with ISIS. I know in Christianity all are equal before God but I do not know if Christianity mentions whether killing of non combatants is allowed or not. I know in Judaism it is allowed via the Amalek references. So is discrimination if you are a non Jew (gentile and non gentile division which does not exist in Christianity or Islam). Since in Islam or Christianity you can covert meanwhile in Judaism you cannot. Keep in mind most people living in Christian countries or Israel are not very religious but mostly secular. Hence it can distort perceptions.

That is a butchered twisted stage blue/red version of Islam. Actual Islam does not preach killing innocents to reach Nirvana. The issue with this is that it makes Islam seem like a death cult when in reality it is anything but. It is a fairly advanced religion compared to Christianity and especially Judaism. Issue is that it has been deformed and hijacked by nutcases to become what you just wrote. I am personally not religious person (if I had a choice I would pick Buddhism I guess), but I feel like Islam is the most developed religion. Mostly because it came out the latest. So it pains me when it is hated so much because some retards decided to take it and turn it into an abomination. Islam for example STRICTLY forbites the killing of non combatants, even if they belong to the enemy faction. So anyone doing it (be Hamas, Hezbollah, Osama etc), is not really a true Islamist but a deluded idiot who thinks he is being a good Muslim.

The biggest issue people have with the west is their middling on others business (coups, invasions, pushing their values to countries which are not ready for them etc) to advance their personal agenda while pretending to the world to be altruists who only care about good and truth. I think most of the hate towards West comes from this.

No leader is universally loved by his people. The whole reason Gaddafi lost power is because the West heavily funded and supported the anti government rebels. Then they had themselves to intervene military to ensure the rebels succeeded. If he was so hated the West would not have to do anything, he would be naturally overthrown. I doubt a leader that gave his people free education, water ( in a dessert country), oil, health care, good salaries, security etc was so universally hated by his people. Of course there are people that hate him by either being victim of his rule or having different ideologies. Bottom line: If West had not been involved, Gaddafi, as bad as he was would have died in power and Libya would probably not be destroyed with tens of thousands dead on the process. It is clear the better option here.

Even if he did what Leo said, in the grand scheme of things is much better than what happened to Libya. 1000 innocent lives ruined is much better than hundreds of thousnads. I checked over 20.000 dead from the war in Libya and god knows how many on top due to collapsed health care etc. Would not be surprised if the number of people that died trying to escape Libya via sea is greater than 1000. Gaddafi being forcefully removed by the West is one of the worst things they have done on that region. Pure criminal.

Interesting, I did not know that. Of course he was not an angel but much better than civil war and anarchy. The war in Libya alone killed tens of thousands and god knows how many have been killed overall in the resulting internal conflicts plus basically destroying a country who had pretty decent standard of living for its citizens. Free energy, fuel, education, health care, decent wages etc. It is very clear which the lesser evil is here. And if Libya had been carved up properly by France/UK instead of forcing tribes that hated each other into 1 country, maybe you would not have needed a Gaddafi in the first place...

And 1 million were killed by the mess USA created with their invasion of Iraq.

I think it leads to dictators like Gadaffi or Saddam. Since these countries have tribal conflicts, a strong dictator rises up internally and creates stability by force. To be honest Libya or Syria were much better before the Arab Spring than now. The West really messed up those countries by funding anti government rebels which lead to civil war and now chaos. Same can be said for Iraq. The West is deeply responsible for the issues in that region because of the criminal arbitrary way they carved up the borders of those countries, including Africa. Forcing different groups that hated each other into 1 country which has no feeling of state or nation. Iraq is an example with 3 different groups that do not go well at all. Most civil wars and conflicts in Middle East or Africa are internal conflicts which are often caused by groups of people forced to co live and hence you have wars. Nigerian, Sudan, Congo conflicts are examples. Or at best case you get a dictator like Saddam or Gadafi which unites them by force until West decides to overthrow them and make the country go total chaos. So the West is greatly responsible for the mess there. Being backwards is perfectly fine as long as things are peaceful and no wars there.

From what I have read most of the Muslim hatred towards Jews came because of Israel. Before, they co lived in harmony (relatively) and were overall treated far far better than Christians treated them. There are countless reports of Jews living in the Israel/Palestinian land peacefully with their Muslim neighbours. No ghettos or genocide like in Europe. It is equally ironic that Christians have the same bible as Jews yet they treated them 100x worse than Muslims until 1945. One thing I greatly respect about Islamic civilization is that they had great religious harmony and tolerance compared to Christian dominated Europe. Of course there were problems but in the grand scheme of things there was a big difference between Muslim and Christian countries regarding religious tolerance and treatment of other relgious people. Most Christians would downright burn you if you dared be anything than Christian. Islam countries made you pay a small tax. Things went downhill since 19th century regarding this and now Europe is the religious tolerant one. For centuries it was the opposite.

https://www.btselem.org/publications/202408_welcome_to_hell https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-child-every-two-days-west-bank How come USA, France, Belgium, Germany etc do not do this to the illegal migrants that live in those countries? I do not see USA shoot migrant childreen with snipers nor Germany put Afghanis in mass scale torture chambers. Immigrants do crimes in those countries, just like the locals, yet both get equal treatment before the law. Can you explain this difference? Since Israel has same values as them according to you.

USA was not a liberal democracy until the civil rights act. I think we have different ideas of a liberal democracy maybe. To me a liberal democracy is a country that treats all humans as equal and does not torture, abuse, rape, murder people even if they are not citizens. Basically a country like Belgium, Sweden, Ireland etc. USA was basically an apartheid until the late 1960s, not liberal. From what I have seen USA treats their illegal refugees 1000000000x better than Israel treats people in the West Bank. Same with France, Sweden, Germany etc. Even though those people are illegally staying in those countries and not citizens.

They consider the West Bank Israel!!! That is the whole issue here. Israel does not recognize Palestine as a soverign country, to them that whole land is basically Israeli land and Palestinians living there are a minority that are not citizens. Minority rights and respect of universal human rights are a cornerstone of a liberal democracy. How come France does not put their illegal refugees in torture chambers? They fed them, rescue them from boats and give them housing. Same with UK, Belgium etc. A Swedish court recently said that deporting illegal refugees back to some of their war torn countries is too inhumane and therefore they will stay in Sweden. It is miles apart in attitude from Israel in the whole view of human rights. So when you talk about the West Bank, it is basically Israeli occupied land and Palestinians living there are minorities that are not citizens of Israel.

Come on Leo. Do you really believe that? Cant you see how they bully and oppress Palestinians which they occupy. A Liberal democracy does not act like that. The demonization and downright Nazi attitude they have towards Palestinians is anything but "liberal". Liberals treat all humans equally, Israel does not. https://www.btselem.org/publications/202408_welcome_to_hell From an israeli newspaper. A "liberal" democracy does not act like this, it finds this behaviour totally unacceptable. Plain and simple. Israel is a democracy in way they organize elections and choose leaders but they do not care about universal human rights. Would not be suprised if Russia treats occupied Ukrainians better than Israel treats Palestinians.

How so? I thought Jews are semites, not Europeans. Israel does not respect human rights or international law like most of the West does in general. So value wise they are worlds apart. Especially with the current Israeli government which is basically fascist. I thought Christians hate Jews more than Muslims due to the Jews being believed to be the ones that betrayed Christ. This is shown in action by the fact that 95% of Jewish oppression came from Christian countries, not by Muslims countries which were much more tolerant of them. But I am not an expert on this issue. That is why I brought up Bernie, he is also Jewish yet does not support Israel. Being a Jew is not an argument. Or you mean most Jews there are very biased while Bernie is less biased? The paradox is that the whole reason USA needs intelligence from Israel is due to the climate that Israel created in the region which involves the USA. USA had no enemies in the Middle East before their support of Israel. If they did not support Israel so much, they would not even need Israeli intelligence since no terrorists would want to bomb the USA. Israel helps USA with the problem Israel itself created for the US. Imagine MC Donalds serving you medicine to combat the obesity that you got from eating MC Donalds food.