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I understand that for Russia style of leadership is totally incompatible with EU political system and values. But in case of Ukraine for example. Would it be possible for Ukraine to be a not corrupt democracy with decent rule of law while at the same time being in good terms with Russia? Putin's grip for power would be satisfied with a pro Russian foreign policy Ukraine while Ukraine kept its democratic non corrupt institutions for the internal affairs. Assuming Ukraine keeps its sovereignty and all. I think it is too late for this now but I am asking this hypothetical scenario to understand the dynamics here. Could this have worked or am I being naive? Genuinely curious.

Is it possible to be pro Russia while being a democracy? You can be conservative but still a democracy. How exactly does being pro Russia linked with authotarism? I am simply asking here due to ignorance not making any statements.

USA tried to invade Cuba in 1961 when Cuba became an anti USA pro USSR country and the invasion failed. Also they put an embargo for decades on Cuba. Cuba can be considered technically a neighbor to USA. So is USA really above this? Would you say Communist Cuba was more of a threat back then to USA than NATO member Ukraine is to Russia these days?

@Vrubel I can tell you care far more for Israeli dead civilians and hostaged over Palestinian dead civilians and hostages though. Can I ask why? Are you anti Arab or anti Islam? Just curious Also since you shame me about lacking nuance, i can also say the same about you when it comes to the Ukranian war. From what i saw in comments you tend to ignore the Russian survival agenda and just blindly support Ukraine while ignoring all the nuance in the conflict. Nuances Leo has often brought over. Why are you more grounded and cold calculating in this war over the Ukrainain war? I mean that war is far more conventional and less civilian suffering so it is easier to analyze it with more objectively and less emotion. I am just asking not accusing you of anything. For some reason you seem bit more personally involved in that war while in Israel palestine war you keep a more grounded pragmatic pov, which I cannot keep unfortunately.

I can flip the script and say France, UK, Germany have a blindspot for colonization, ethnic cleansing and genocide because they did some batshit evil stuff on innocent non Europeans for centuries in the past.

It is not just Ireland. Also Norway, Belgium etc have supported Palestine quite decently. Countries like France, Germany and especially UK are historical genocidal warmongering colonizers so I do not expect much national empathy towards these stuff. Hard to call an ex murdered and thief to feel empathy.

@Vrubel I think if the whole West gave Israel the same treatment Ireland is giving Israel currently (you can google it for details), this would be solved. I think it shows a lot that the country in Europe that went through colonialism, ethnic cleansing, oppression and even genocide, Ireland, is one of the few ones that support Palestine. While countries that have oppressed, colonized and commited genocide themselves like the UK and France support Israel. Shows a ton.

@hundreth Other religions are more evolved since they came later. Also most of the issues with them come from bad practice not the religion being inherently racist. You can argue Islam is inherently mysogonistic by today standards

Fair. Cannot disagree with that. Palestine definetly needs leadership better than Hamas. Leadership conductive to peace. So does Israel.

And Judaism claims non Jews are inherently lesser than Gentiles, it is inherent in the religion too. Islam is more developed than classic Judaism. Mostly because it came later and built up on previous religions. Judaism was the first and therefore the least developed. I am not shitting on it per say since most people do not practice it but I find it extremely dangerous, compared to the other 2. The reason people find it "ok" is because so few actually practice it hardcore compared to other religions. And I am personally none of them.

Yes that is sad. Many Jews around the world are being victim to it for no reason. Issue is Israel and their horrible policies not Jews living outside Israel. To show you how wrong Israel is here, many many Jews that live outside Israel have openly protested about the war. Well you also ignore the basics that lead people to have such views. Arabs did not worthship Hitler before Israeli terrible policies. Jews and Arabs lived at peace for centuries. There was none of this hate. Their hate came from a source. The source are those policies. The hate will not disappear until the policies change. Start talking some responsability.

The average moderate Israeli yes. The hardcore Orthodox Jews are not.

Dont confuse application from the manual. I am talking about what the holy book says for each of them. I am not saying that in real life Islam never harms civilians or Christianity treats all the same. In Judaism it is clearly written that Jews are more important than Gentiles, in Christianity are the same in front of God. That is what I meant. Sorry if it came wrong. There have been polls where most Israelis said "not enough force has been used on Gaza". So dropping 3 Hiroshimas worth of TNT in a small dense area is not enough. There are Israelis trying to block humanitarian aid to enter Gaza. It is sick.

It baffles me how Israel has completly lost all reason and morality just from loosing 800 civilians. Countries in history lost so much more and kept their cool. Ukraine has lost 10.000 at least and still is not as genocidal as "civilized" Israel. Insane country.

@zazen The issue with Zionism is that it glorifies hardcore Judaism which is a toxic genocidal racist ideology. No issue with moderate Jews but Judaism unlike Christiniaty and Islam is fundamentally racist and genocidal. Since it was the first religion, it is the least developed and Christinity and Islam which came after corrected a lot of its flaws. For example Christianity says "All are equal before God", in Judaism basically Jews are superior and the rest should serve them (Racism). In Islam it is not allowed to kill women and childreen, in Judaism genocide is embraced when it comes to protecting Jews (Seed of Amalek). This is the issue with Zionism, it builds on this ideology/religion which can cause atrocities and apartheid (like it is happening currently). Note: No issues with moderate Jews. I think most Israelis are secular Jews, here I am talking about hardcore religious people. This information I got from recently reading Yuvan noah harari s work.

Issue is that this devilry in Israel does not go punished. A civilized country would punish and make an example out of this. In Israel it does not happen. Hard for it to be punished when half the government are right wing fascists'. Moderate Israelis like yourself cannot do anything, Ben Gvir can. That is the issue. Also I can make the same argument that within 2.2 million Gazans there are couple thousands which are radical savages that kill people and torture them. Yet Palestinians are all called terrorists now.

There is a photo circulating online that has been called "deeply disturbing" by USA of a totally naked Palestinian guy tied to a chair and a IDF soldier is standing in front of him holding a spear (from what I could see). He has a wound on his leg (evidence of torture). Can you explain to me how this is justifiable? EVEN if he is Hamas staff this is totally barbaric and inhumane. Civilized world does not torture POWs and proudly take pictures of it and broadcast it to the world. And we do not even know if he is Hamas. Under all international laws not only torture of POWs is illegal but proudly broadcasting it to the world shows that IDF is not much different from Hamas at this point. Hamas also tortured people and then broadcasted it proudly. And this is 1 case that was actually published. Imagine the dozens and dozens of non published ones. Just see it for yourself, it is really distrubing. I remember leo said once that torture shows the level of development of a country. Highly developed countries do not torture people. Apparently Israel is not much better than Russia at this point. They even proudly show it. Baffling.

Not justify, you seem not to be able to read. I said it was bad. But what Israel has done and is doing is far worse. What is interesting is that Israel has historically killed far more Palestinians than Palestinians have killed Israelis. Yet Palestinians are supposed to be chill with it. But when Palestinians inflict 1/10 of that back to Israelis, they are ok with ethnic cleansing and genociding them. This alone shows how egotistical they truly are. In 2014 alone Israel killed far more Gazans than Hamas ever did. Why do you ignore this?

Well Germany apologized about it many times and did their best to change their ways. Israel not only does not apologize but they elect right wing zionist fascists and double down on their atrocities. No peace will be possible until Israel recognizes decades of oppression. First step toward peace is apology.

Their illegal land theft is part of the policies... It does not matter. When you murder and kick people out of their house they will hate you. It does not matter that there is a big arab dessert next to it. It baffles me how inhumane you Israelis are...

Israel also is playing the victim when the land it illegally stole gets invaded. The victimhood of Israelis is out of this world. I will say it again. Unless Israel admits its horrible decade long policies led to Palestinians hating them that much, they will forever be criticized and ridiculed by most of the world. First step towards fixing a problem is realizing there is one. Israeli policies are the core problem here. Blaming Hamas is just a scapegoat. Those same policies will create another Hamas down the line and peace will never happen. Why is it this hard to understand this? Honestly

Like Israelis don't do that. They also celebrate Gaza butchers. One of their elected ministers had a portrait in his house of a mass murderer and was a convicted terrorist. So Israelis are not above this either. How will you justify this? Where is your criticism of Israel here? They lost 800 civilians and now cheer kids dying in Gaza. Meanwhile Palestinians have suffered far far far more than Israelis have and they are supposed to be chill about it? Be realistic. I even seen Ukranians cheer when Ukraine bombed Russian civilians 1 month ago. Many Ukranians i see in comment want to see Russia cities turned to ash. When you suffer unjustly you loose humanity. It is not a matter of culture. I think you underestimate the amount of suffering Palestinians have collectively suffered from Israelis that is why you speak like this. Educate yourself about it. Hamas attack is a drop in the ocean in comparison. It is not that Palestine as a culture is as under developed as you make it. Israeli atrocities are far worse in scale and length. This has been going on for decades. Ignoring this makes you not see the full picture. Fair. Why are they doing it? I like to believe they geniounly see NATO as a threat and want to protect their country's interest. However, I am just speculating. Your opinion on it would be welcomed. It is more subtle and clever. More manipulative. Not pure horseshit. But still pure devilry. I think that is bs propaganda from Russia, Ukranians are clearly not "Nazis"; but from what I saw their current government is quite anti Russian. I think Putin wanted to change that government with a pro Russian one, not annex the country like people claim. Basically he wanted to make Ukraine another Georgia or Belarus. Basically if you are next to Russia you have to be Russia's lap dog when it comes to foreign policy. But you can keep your internal sovereignty. Issue is that America does the same, so it is hard for me to criticize much Russia about it. I mean they did a long embargo on Cuba and even tried invading it when Cuba was anti US country. If Mexico would become pro Russia, like Ukraine became pro Western, I think USA would also invade them or cause a coup and put a new pro US regime there. What do you think?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/shocking-spike-in-use-of-unlawful-lethal-force-by-israeli-forces-against-palestinians-in-the-occupied-west-bank/ No Hamas there either. When will you guys realize Israel brutality is not due to "Hamas".

20.000 of them were killed in massacres and hundreds of villages burned down. They were kicked out and killed. Watch some interviews with actual soldiers at the time before spinning out propaganda. Saying they simply "fled" ignores Israeli ruthless war crimes and ethnic cleansing. Ironically Hamas attacked the same villages (land wise) that Israel burned down during the Nakba and then later established their own kibutzes. These things do not happen randomly. I find it weird that you are against Russia taking Ukranian land that does not belong to Russia but find it ok when Israel takes Palestinian land that does not belong to them by doing ethnic cleansing. Double standards much. And I am not talking about politics and "soverign country" stuff. I am talking about kicking out people that lived in X place since forever. I read some of your posts and you seem to have a somewhat racist attitude toward Palestinians. You do not seem them as equal to Israelis fundamentally. Dont you think most Palestinians are decent normal people like most people in the world are? Personally I do not see much difference between most Palestinians and Israelis on a fundamental level.

I saw some of your first comments and you seem bias on the Israeli position so I doubt you are above this. You are quick to criticize Hamas devilry but you do not criticize Israel devilry much. Ignoring that decade long Israeli policies that went against International laws are the main reason Hamas is in power and the attack happened. Unless you are willing to admit this much, you cannot call yourself truly objective.