Karmadhi

Piers Morgan is a prime example

Perhaps, but he comes from a solid Green place. He does not want Israel destroyed nor condone the Hamas attacks. That is why I used his name. He is totally different from the anti Israel blue crowd in the West that genuinely wants Israel gone.

Sorry to hear that. Indeed the kicking out of the Jews from the Middle East and North Africa as retaliation for the Nakba was indeed wrong. Although I cannot blame Palestinians for that, it was the governments of the host countries which did it. Still messed up.

Is he from Ben Gvir party or another? Who would you say is worse? I see Ben Gvir gets more hate, is he more cruel than Smotrich or they are same? I read that Ben Gvir was involved in a terrorist attack against Palestinians in a mosque years ago. Meanwhile I read Smotrich made a remark that it would be moral and ok to starve 2 million Gazans to get the hostages back which the whole world condemned including the EU and UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre

I do not know documentaries but you can find tons of interviews where Green people talk about it. Owen Jones is a prime example. Francesca Fiorentini is another. Both have talked about it on Piers Morgan show and they have their own channels. Cenk Ugyur is another example. None of them say that Hamas attack was fine nor they want Israel gone nor they want to kill Jews. They may have somewhat a Pro Palestine bias (I do too to be honest) but I never saw them degrade into genocidal talk about Israel or Jews. They condemned Hamas, calls them terrorists but also has a very pro Palestine viewpoint and wants good for them.

Those are radical Greens. Most sensible greens want two states and justice for Israeli crimes. None of my green friends want Israel to be destroyed nor to kill Jews. They basically want the government and IDF to be heavily trailed for war crimes and to restore Palestine to the 1968 borders (kick out all the settlers). This is the pure Green pov. Unfortunately you have radical Arabs going on those protests and they indeed can chant hateful language towards Israel or Jews as you have said. Thing is those people are not Green, they are Blue. Blue people living in West definitely want what you say

We have the war in Ukraine being fought at the same time and we did not see the horrible images that came from Gaza. A war much more condemned. That is what triggered greens so much. I know you have said the conflicts are different but when you have 2 wars and in 1 you just see destroyed buildings and in the other you see thousands of dead kids, it is hard not to label it as anything that a war against childreen. Greens want the war in Gaza to have the same low children and civilian death toll in proportion to soldiers that the war in Ukraine has. Nothing more. They think Russia (which Green already demonizes) cares more about civilians than Israel. Which leads to them calling it as a genocide. Israelis may not be as brutal as the Nazis but there is a lot of similarities in the way they think and view stuff. Especially with hardcores like Ben Gvir. Nobody sane would call Herzog a nazi for example. And about Destiny reacting against Green going too far (I do not think they are going too far), he doubles down on the Green views that gender is fluid and stuff like this. I have not seen him react against the excesses of Green when it comes to sexuality. He only does it here.

Fair. You think Destiny is just being racist or islaphobocic with his pro Israeli bias or just has fallen victim to the complex Israeli propaganda? I know on a debate he had with Cenk Ugyur, Cenk said Destiny s arguments had implied racist attitudes towards Palestinians.

Do you plan to discuss it with him if you do a podcast together?

People have issues with how the EU is run, but not about it existing and being part of it. EU is necessary considering the growth of countries like China, India. Europe needs to be united, it is too weak alone.

To be honest as long as they get unconditional support from USA/Germany/UK then they will surivive. Russia is also doing fine. To be frank Russia at the moment has probably a better interntional standing than Israel considering the rest of the world outside the West is either neutral to Russia or positive.

They were allowed to get away with it because the West was still pretty Holocaust guilt tripped and overall had a orange/blue level of devleopment. As green becomes more and more prominent, more important in politics, so will the support for Israel expansion devilry. Biden generation of "boomer era Zionists" will be replaced with more sympathetic people to Palestine. In Europe already many parties are opposed to Israel hardcore. Even in USA many democrats are against Israel, it is just they put the biggest shameless Zionists as leaders for some reason. Half the democrats boycotted Netanyahu speech in Congress. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/21/us-support-israel-palestine-poll/ https://ctmirror.org/2024/05/10/america-israel-support-palestinian-protests/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-generation-gap-in-opinions-toward-israel/

So ethnically cleansed basically. I think they would flee to Jordan and other countries. But do you honestly see it happening? I know even pro Israel countries are dead locked on Israel not annexing any more land. Not to mention the horrible PR they have these days which will only grow, especially with young voters who soon will become future rulers. As the West grows into Green, Israel devilry cannot surivive. The occupation they been doing for decades will no longer be sustainable.

I think Europe was still very antisemetic at the time and did not want Jews to have their own state within their area. Israel was basically a dumping spot to put them. Like UK wanted to dump their refugees in Rwanda. Same logic. Never forget many European countries participated in the Holocaust. Germany, Austria, Czechia, Slovakia, Romania, France, Ukraine, Italy, Croatia, Netherlands. All of them are complicit as hell. Which is why they are also the most hardcore Israel supporters.

Perhaps they may flee to other countries? I know Jordan has millions of Palestinians. When you say "destroy Palestianians" you mean like the national identity and sense of "Palestine" or physically kill them all? They would have to kill like 7 millions.

And then people wonder why Jews are hated in that region... They brought it on themselves.

I think it is far more likely that Zelensky will be overthrown by the Ukranian military or oligarchs and a more pro peace guy will replace him. Keep in mind that Ukraine is the one who has been destroyed, Russia is intact. Therefore, the limit of Ukranians is reaching its peak. Not to mention they running out of menpower.

Everything you wrote is about Europe and USA being assholes to Jews. Why wasnt Israel founded in Europe? Since they seem to be the assholes here, not Palestinians. The fundamental issue I have with this whole debate is that 90% of all hardships Jews faced historically were done by Europeans. Yet, Arabs are the ones suffering because of Jews. Cant you see how unfair that is?

Of course if you act nice and kind people will be nice to you. It is retarded to treat everyone from a country bad. But Israeli nationalism is totally frowned upon these days and if you spur out the stuff you spur on this forum in the real world, people will shame you and criticise you. I also know Russians where I live in the west of Europe which get treated well and everything. They are against Putin and the war. People got no issues with them. It is racist to treat someone bad just because of where they are from, that applies to Israelis too. Although general hatred towards Jews and Israelis has increased, there is no doubt in that.

Reality is that you will keep getting terrorist attacks more in the future and the entire world hates Israel now. If you want to talk about reality.

They did because of the barbarity they did to Europeans including 27 million Soviets killed out of 17 were civilians. They lost land to Poland after basically killing 17% of its population and razing the capital. Not to mention they bombed the shit out of London and other cities which lead to UK bombing them back. Issue is that all those things you wrote have nothing to do with the Holocaust. Why didnt Germany give land for a Jewish state? Why make it in Palestine, who was innocent during WW2? Clownery indeed...

Stop using fake numbers. I already called you out once. The true number is 1139 and from these 695 civilians. Out of the 695 some were killed by Israel themselves. Most likely Hamas killed 500 civilians or so. So not 1500 but 500 people were killed which should not have been killed. The soldiers are fair game in war. 500 is 1/3 of 1500. So stop with propaganda numbers please. 500 in a single day is still pretty bad, even though Israel did the same in Gaza every day for weeks afterwards and then in Lebanon some weeks ago. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths Here is a source as proof.

Why didnt those Jews go via immigration to Palestine and then they could have elections or any of the other things. There were plenty of Jews in other Arab states living with the locals peacefully. Why create a jew state in the first place? And why create it in such a terroristic way?

So Germany who killed 6 million Jews has to pay some money while Palestine who did not do shit had half of its land stolen. Clownery...

That means Ukraine would kick Russia out of 20% of the Ukranian land it occupies. They tried last year in the famous counteroffensive which failed horribly. Now Russia has progressed further, with Ukraine suffering more and more from lack of weapons and especially manpower. Ukraine was stronger in 2023 during the counter offensive yet it failed to grab any land back. Now how can they magically not only stop loosing more land but kick out Russia over the land it occupies, where Russia has long since built heavy defenses. I fail to understand this logic. It is like saying Germany will conquer USSR in 1944 after they horribly failed in 1941.