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@Leo Gura By animal I mean what most people would call them. You can make the same claim that Hitler was also a nationalist and fundamentist. I will correct my wording to "War criminal".

@Nivsch @Vrubel Nobody is saying ALL Israelis are bad nor IDF soldiers are bad, but a part of IDF including high command people are animals that should be hanged for war crimes. Just like not every German that served during WW2 was bad but a proportion of them were war criminals that did bad things. This is the case with Russian Army too in Ukraine. However a highly conscious society would not be ok with the way the war is being conducted in Gaza and this shows Israeli society is still quite blue. An advanced society would say "If we do to Palestinians the same evils Hamas did to us, we are not better then Hamas. We will not go down that path".

@Nivsch If someone relative open minded person like you that also uses this forum and follows Leo's work is so prone to be ok with Israel atrocities that have been called out literally by the entire world, I cannot even want to imagine what most more conservatives Israelis might be like. Makes me think there is no hope for this conflict being solved anytime soon. Is there a way where Palestine can live like a proper country without Israel owning them?

@Leo Gura I am talking about purely the domain of physicality which you have openly said also matters a good deal when it comes to attraction. No debate that charisma, confidence etc matter a lot too. So if muscles are irrelevant, then why height is relevant? You cannot deny height is an advantage when it comes to dating. So my question was, from a survival pov why women prefer height so much more over physical fitness? Note: By muscles I am talking about an athletic fit body, not a mass monster bodybuilder type.

Didnt they do polls in Israel where most people said enough or not enough force was being used. Few said that too much force was being used. Also I saw non right wing people say they would not wage the war much differently.

Hamas goal is to destroy the state of Israel. Just because they killed civilians does not mean their goal is anything else. Also unfortunately in Israel every adult has to serve in the military which gives Hamas the idea that everyone 18+ has been in the IDF and has tortured/killed/oppressed Palestinians at some point. They see them probably like retired Nazis. I am not saying they are right just explaining their mindset. At this point I also heavily despise Hamas for the situation. Their stubborness is causing much suffering to the Palestinians. Also their goal to destroy the state of Israel is totally not realistic and foolish. If I could I would have them gone just like I would have the government of North Korea gone. But destroying the whole of Gaza is a price too high and totally unacceptable. Also I feel like most of it is just plain cruelty and not militarily effective. To top if off with creating a massive famine. If Israel was serious about this they would send people in the tunnels, that is how you realistically get them. Destroying everything on the ground hurts civilians mostly.

So it also justifies Hamas killing civilians in their goal to destroy Isarel military? Keep in mind 1/3 of October 7th deaths were legitimate IDF staff, not just civilians. Also many civilians were killed in the cross fire. There were tons of specific striking of civilians by Hamas, but at this point IDF has been doing the same so I dont think they are much better anymore. Many videos of them doing so. Shooting at people in line to get aid too. They killed like 120 civilians trying to get aid, that act alone is on par with the Hamas concert attack in terms of scale and cruelty.

This explains Israel saying "We have killed 10.000 Hamas" and then US saying 25.000 women and childreen have been killed, both statements being true at the same time. Nice Leo

And you have precise weapons and guided missles drones etc which you did not have in 1944. Ask yourself: How did Israel manage to strike precisely a Hamas guy in Beirut, with minimal civilians casualties. During World war 2 an entire block would have had to be destroyed to take out that guy. So it is not just the guerlla stuff that has advanced but also striking precision technology. I saw footage of Isarel taking out a single floor in a building and keeping the rest intact. So spare me the excuses please. Most of the bombs used in Gaza are reported to be unguided. They admitted themselves "We are aiming for maximum destruction, not accuracy". I trust their words there because you can see it yourself. Most of Gaza is in ruins now.

What Britain did is a war crime by 2024 standards. The issue is that you like to use different timelines to justify atrocities. What UK did to Germany during WW2 would be considered an unacceptable war crimes, especially the bombing of Dresden and to some extent Hamburg. But in 2014, we use different standards and the same tactics are totally unacceptable and horrible. Just some food for thought: What Hamas did in Israel on October 7th used to be textbook military practice for most of human history. When armies invaded villages and towns that is exactly what they did, what Hamas did. However in 2024, we call that horrible acts and terrorism because with our current moral framework such actions are not acceptable. Also what UK did to Germany at the time was textbook military practice (Germany did the same to the UK prior) but today it is not acceptable. So when I hear people like Naftali Bennet justify Israel current indiscriminate bombings by saying "UK did it also", well UK also did what Hamas did at some point in the past. Lets justify that too now. See the issue with that reasoning?

So did the Palestinians. The number of Palestinians dead is 10-20x more than Israelis through the decades. In 2014 alone they killed like 1500 civilians and they lost like 6 civilians themselves. That act alone is enough to want them to commit October 7th. And that is just 1 out of many times Isarel did such things. 2014 Gaza War - Wikipedia

@Nivsch If you consider women and childreen as Hamas then yes it does. I do not. 25.000 women and childreen with your ratio would assume the total death toll to be close to 50.000 and it is currently around 33.000. So your math is off. Out of the 33.000 around 25.000 are women and childreen which leaves 8000 men. From these not everyone is a fighter, civilian men can also die in air strikes.

US Defense Minister said 25.000 of those killed in Gaza are women and childreen. Your math does not add up. I did not see UK destroy Ireland even though they did plenty terrorist attacks there.

How about not mixing them into 1 thing? I do not think most people have issues with Jews but they do with Israel. Especially liberals. There are tons of Jews protesting about Israel atrocities in Gaza at the moment and they have my eternal respect. Ironically it is Israeli actions that are making Jews outside Israel feel so unsafe. Hating Jews outside Israel for what Israel does is indeed anti semetic and not acceptable in my opinion.

If genetics are so important, how come girls care so little about a guy having a good frame, musular and lean athletic type of body. Not a mass monster but like fit looking. How come height matters 10x more? So a skinny tall guy will do as well if not better than a shorter muscular fit guy. In prehistoric times, gyms did not exist so you could not really change being skinny. A tall skinny guy is not more useful for survival than a fit strong short guy no? Am I missing something?

Can you explain to me then how did those people get elected in the first place? Israel is a democracy you say hence whoever is in power represents what the majority thinks/feels. If the people in power represent a minority then how did they get elected? Why was not a more moderate liberal people elected? I did not see Italy, Germany or Japan loose 70% of their territory even after causing a world war. Most of their territories are still intact. There was no Israel until 1947. The sentiment began when Jews started being dumped there from the British empire. People do not like when random people start being dumped into your land without your consent. To give you an example we have far right parties getting popularity and even elected in some Western countries because people do not like the migrant influx in their countries. And this is done by their governments. Meanwhile in Palestine it was done without asking anyone, of course people will be pissed. Imagine USA dumping 1 million random people into France and not asking France any permission. France would be enraged. Does not help that most of the people living there were uneducated and not very developed which can result in them responding with violence.

At the expense of others. You keep ignoring this. I think that is why Leo keeps calling you out.

Most people that were kicked out had lived there for generations. I do not think you can realistically disprove that or argue against it. I am not saying what is right, I am saying why Palestinians are so stubborn to accept White Europeans in their doorstep.

@Danioover9000 A big issue is the Zionism ideology which runs the whole show. Personally I find it extremely toxic ideology and I think the world would be better without it. Jews do not need Zionism to be safe, it just makes them look bad and makes them prone to being attacked. I am shocked to see people in this group supporting it, especially these days where Zionism fuels downright facist and racist behavior from Israeli government.

@Breakingthewall Saying "both sides need to learn to co live with each other" is the ultimate peace creating solution, however it is MUCH easier to say this to Israelis than Palestinians. Israelis are the ones that came in massive numbers after WW2 and basically colonized a land where others lived. If I take 2/3 of your house it is easier for the new guy to be ok with co living than the one whose house was taken. Hence Palestinians are much more stubborn due to them feeling deeply like they were stolen and kicked out. And I am not talking about political stuff like "soviergn country", that is irrelevant when it comes to how people feel. If I live here for 500 years and am Arab in land surrounded by Arabs then White Europeans from Poland come and want to take the place i lived for generations I will feel like they are thieves and I will not accept it. So politics become useless.

"No country on the planet should trust any of the big powers" is a better title. It is not like China or Russia are much better.

Funny how you tell us "Al Jazera is biased etc because they are arabs, stop sending it" then you send us a source from Israel.

What values? Israel does not respect human rights, US does. The shit they do in West Bank goes against all human right laws. USA does not do that. The only thing they have in common is free elections and being rich. If they were a true developed democracy they would not put 12 year old kids in military court trials and detain them for years over silly things like throwing stones. Rest is purely interest. Jews having so much influence on the US being a big reason. AIPAC too.

Well Israel hates them too so it is a toxic duo where none accepts the other. The difference is that Israel has the education level, the means and support to make Palestinians accept them far more. Ending the illegal occupation and treating them well would be a good start. Unless they are treated well then they will always hate Israel. So why not start there? By respecting international laws

1. Germany and Japan had legit governments. Hamas is not a legitimate government. Most people were not even born when it was elected in 2005. Hence most cannot choose what Hamas does. 2. Germany and Japan launched wars based on desires of expansion. They wanted to conquer others because they thought themselves as superior. In Gaza you have mostly refugees fighting for land that used to be theirs for centuries but were violently kicked out by massacres and ethnic cleansing. Neither were Germans or Japanese subject to a fascist occupation for decades which violated every human right that exists. 3. Germany killed close to 25 million civilians and Japan close to 20 million. Hamas has barely killed 1000 civilians. During WW2 there were 20 times more Allied civilians deaths than Axis. Here its the opposite. 4. We have evolved since WW2 standards. Thats what the Geneva convention is for. We are past that brutal collective punishment type of warfare. At least first world democracies. Bonus: Even though Germans killed closed to 18 million Soviets, when the Soviets took control of Berlin they immediately tried to secure food for the German civilians stuck there to avoid a famine. Israel meanwhile is using famine as a tool of war. And Soviets were not known for being the most kind army. So basically Soviets tried to avoid a famine in Berlin after loosing 18 million civilians by Germans. Here Israel wants a famine in Gaza after loosing 800 civilians. Shows how inhumane they are even compared to a revenge thirsty WW2 USSR So please before saying such nonsense comparisons do some research otherwise you look very ignorent