Karmadhi

Regarding religion, the West are Christians while Israelis are Jews. Not the same religion. Christians murdered and persecuted Jews probably as much if not more than they did Muslims historically. There was no historical love for these two religions. Why now? Regarding values, it is true that Israel is a democracy but for countless years they violate human rights all the time and even have been accused of apartheid. The way they are prosecuting this war goes against all Western values and International law. Why does not the West realize at least now that Israel is not 'one of them" but instead a much more brutal selfish state and decide to distance itself from it. Why give them a blank license to do things, they themselves would not do or do not believe in? I did not see Western countries trial kids in military courts, put people in jail without trial, shoot journalists etc. These are stuff dictatorships do, not democracies. I have seen some Western countries like Ireland, Spain and to some extent Belgium, Norway take concerete actions to distance themselves and denounce Israel harshly. Especially Ireland and Spain. Why dont the other big Western countries like France, Germany, UK, USA do the same?

I did not want to make this about Hamas/ Israel but I will try to give my analysis. To me their are mostly stage Red while my comment was about stage blue which is 90% of Muslims. Keep in mind most Muslims are not like Hamas. Hamas represents the most radical parts of Islam. ISIS to be even more precise to me are pure Stage Red Islam. But these are almost gone now. Hamas is a bit tricky because to me their thing is about land and resistance more than just spreading radical Islam like ISIS for example. If Israel was magically gone, their cause would be also gone meanwhile the same cannot be said for ISIS. Iran I would put Blue, with Saudi Arabia too. They represent classical fundamental dogmatic blue religion. Toxic blue. Countries like Egypt would be more moderate blue. Talebans are mostly red with some blue in them. All toxic of course. Their guiding book may be Islam but their ultimate cause is about land. At least the Hamas that is portrayed to the world and what most of its fighters believe in, I do not know their top leader agendas. With Israel I find most of their government including their PM, classic stage blue fundamentalists. Perhaps Ben Gvir could have slights of Red due to his bloodthirsty remarks but in general it gives me a blue vibe. To me he represents the most radical part of Judaism. I can tell nobody in this forum likes him. That is enough proof. The reason I mention him so much is because he is in a key governmental position. I believe you that he represents maybe 5% of the most radical people. But so did Goebbels. He was the most radical of the Nazis and probably 5% of Germans at large would fully agree with his views. Yet, many of atrocities of Nazis are attributed to him. 5% when it rules can make decisions on behalf of 100%. Bennet also seems typical blue to me. I am not familiar enough with past Israeli politicans except the one that got killed by radical Zionists (that were part of Ben Gvir group) so I cannot comment on them much. I think some were more Orange and maybe even Green but I see stage blue dominating Israeli politics. Not that I blame them. They picked to live in a part of the world that hates them guts which keeps them from evolving towards green. There is some truth to them saying that its only when Jews kill Muslims that they get so mad, while Muslims killing Muslims is somewhat ok. It is indeed a double standard. I asked a close muslim friend of mine and his response: "When Muslim Arabs fight, its like brothers fighting within the same household. When Israel gets involved, its like a stranger picking a fight with one of your brothers".

I am talking purely from a military POV, MAD is what kept the Soviets from storming in and taking all of Europe during the Cold War. I do not know Putin reasoning fully. I think partly he does not want Ukraine to be in NATO because basically it will Russia open to a huge front and having its sworn enemy at its door. I am sure USA would also loose its shit if Russia made a military alliance and put Mexico or Canada in it. Last time they tried with Cuba, Cuba ended up getting invaded by the USA. So that alone is enough for Russia to invade Ukraine, their security concerns. But I think also historically Ukraine is seen as an extension of Russia. Since Ukraine started to ally itself with the West, it was seen as a betrayal by Russia and this war is partly revenge of that and partly an attempt to keep it within Russia influence, even if it has to be done by force. I fear that Ukraine 's destiny due to its location is bound to be tied with Russia. At least until Russia becomes a liberal democracy and embraces the West. Until then, it will be a Russian puppet state and its bitch whether they want to or not. The Ukranian government acted very carelessly in my opinion. No only they started openly embracing the West but they doubled down on anti Russian policies, banning Russian language and even questionable military action towards Russians living in Ukraine. Most of it is boosted up by Russian propaganda but I think after 2014, there was a policy change towards anything Russian in Ukraine. And that was a deadly mistake which lead to them being invaded and destroyed. Geopolitics is not fair, you need to pick a superpower and stay with it. Like picking a gang to protect you in prison. Ukraine picked the wrong gang, the West which could not protect it against the gang that actually can destroy it and get away with it (Russia). I have a lot of empathy for the Ukranian people but I fear when this war is over they will be either half gone or all gone as a sovereign country. I hope they loose as little as possible which is why I am unsure whether prolonging the war would just allow Russia to get more and more of their land.

I truly believe that when the world transcends Stage Blue application of religion. It will be a better place. Here fixed it for you

Islam, like other major religions has tons of wisdom on it but the way it is practiced in real life are so dogmatic that it may seem so to you. Leo made a good video explaining Islam. It is not a function of Islam, it is a function of ALL religions when performed DOGMATICALLY. It is not like Christianity nor Judaism are much better. Even Buddhism can lead to devilry if unproperly managed. It is like saying medicine is bad because it can kill you when done improperly. But when done properly, it can heal you. Your critic of Islam is about Stage Blue application of Islam which is indeed problematic. But it is not about Islam per say. Judaism, Budhism and Christianity are as much or more toxic when applied by Stage Blue. But that is not the fault of the thing itself, just of the level of development of who applies it.

To be honest I am currently going through a journey into green (I was quite orange when I started watching your videos) so probably you are right. Give me a few years to burn through the SJW karma. Note: Are you lowkey agreeing now that what Israel is doing in Gaza is becoming a genocide or did I misunderstand you?

That was indeed wrong. I am talking about the fact that Israelis claim their vengence in Gaza is understandable because they lost 800 civilians on the terrorist attack by Hamas but for some reason they find the Hamas attack "unprovoked" even though Israel killed 3-4 times more civilians in Gaza before that attack throughout the years (mostly 2008 and especially 2014). Do you see my point? What it boils down to is that Israelis expect Palestinians to suck it up when their civilians get killed but when Palestine does the same back, they loose their shit and get mad. Double standards at its finest. And during the second intefata I think 3 times more Palestinians were killed so its not just attacks on Israel. But again that was indeed wrong.

Dont you think the 1500 civilians including 500 kids killed in 2014, 1000 civilians killed in 2008, countless other killings all the other years are a factor? Perhaps what you say is also a factor but you cannot discount this. In 2014 alone Israel killed I think 2 times more civilians than Hamas did on October 7th. That alone is enough fuel for them to want to carry out that attack. Why do you ignore it? 'The world stands disgraced' - Israeli shelling of school kills at least 15 | Benjamin Netanyahu | The Guardian https://blackfriday.amnesty.org/ You expect Gazans not to hate Israel to death after such atrocities? Seriously? One of the many war crimes commited during 2014 by the IDF. And in 2014 although rockets were launched from Gaza to Israel, almost no Israeli civilians were killed. No "Hamas killed 1200 of us" excuse.

This all makes rational sense and it ties up a lot of how the death toll especially civilian is so huge. But it is so sick and evil I choose not to believe it. An advanced society cannot do this, at least I want to believe so.

I mean you can say the same for the October 7th attack. It was mainly caused by bad Israeli policies. If you justify the brutality going on there by "final explosion after 30 years", we can also say Hamas brutality was the "final explosion after 75 years". Palestinians have suffered far more from this stupid conflict than Israelis have overall. Can you give me some historical examples as proof? What makes you think this? A historical example is Ireland with the UK and UK did not do anything like this even after Ireland bombed it. Also we have Spain with EPA terrorism. Even the USA did not go as far when they invaded Afghanistan in 2001. I checked and 10 times less civilians were killed out of a much bigger population (1500-2000 civilians dead compared to like 20-30.000 here). And they did admit that even that was going too far.

So are Hamas. There are hurt people behind them, people lost their loved ones in ways the spoiled IDF staff that never faced hardships in their lives can never understand. Since you put so much mental effort into empathizing with the IDF, it would be good to also see things from your average Hamas fighter pov. Not the billionaire corrupt leaders that use people as human shields. They are scum of the earth and should be hanged. Just your typical 17 year old Hamas fighter, these people I cannot help but feel empathy for. I guess Leo was right when he said "Green feels compassion and empathy for Red (Where I would put Hamas)" but viewing Blue as heartless and lacking compassion (Where I would put the current IDF in Gaza personally).

Would you consider a family living in the same building a hamas official lives as also Hamas? If out of 30.000 you have 25.000 women and childreen (according to the us minister of defense). Then a lot of women and kids are Hamas according to Israeli logic.

The AI claims i said IF true. The ratios are factual, not much to discuss there.

Man this is huge!! This is 21 century version of Nazi industrial genocide. Now instead of factories we use AI Straight out of a black mirror episode if these claims are true. But I think the ratio is quite common knowledge. Even Leo said it. They killed once a senior Hamas guy and 80 civilians in the process and proudly booasted about it. Sick. And to think like 1/3 of them are kids. This is cartoonish level of evil, reminds me of Frieza and other anime villains

Being appalled from watching every atrocity imaginable in real time cannot be put at the same league as SJW that cry about people missgendering mushrooms and cats. Humanitarian justice would be a better word. Virtue signaling I would say so yes.

Dont you think taking hostage 2 million innocent people to save 134 is too much?

Yes but we are looking at the context here. Horrible war crimes that cannot be justified. Funny enough, if I want to look at the context I can also justify Hamas attack you know. That goes both ways. Zionism, especially the toxic one in Israel at the moment is a version of Nazism. It just replaces "Aryan" with "Jew". It is not as harsh of course but for 21st century standards it is quite dangerous and gives room for atrocities. And for the last time, Nazi Germany killed like 10 times more civilians than it lost. So for anything, they got off very easy. Look at WW2 statistics.

Well you seem to downplay and rationalize away tons of devilry being committed by Israeli government and the IDF command. And it is not just me saying this, even Leo challenged you on it.

What would that be?

But from what I have read from him, he does not seem the type that would support the current Israeli fascist government. Sure he can identify with the country, but certain governments are so toxic, it is a patriotic duty to go against them. Best example I can give is the Germans that tried to kill Hitler in 1944. Ironically if you truly love your country and want the best for it, you will be the first to go against them for taking your country down a bad path. There is fundamental difference between supporting the people of Israel and endorsing the actions of the current Israeli government and military.

@Nivsch Why do you defend Israeli government and the IDF so much? I dont get it. Nobody is saying all Israelis are inherently bad or anything. Does it occur to you that perhaps at the moment Israel is lost and is in a similar position that Germany was under the Nazis? A true German patriot would realize his country has been hijacked by people that are only hurting it and push forward for an improvement. Most Germans were also in denial about Nazi atrocities until years after the war ended. Now Germany is a good country that took a lot of refugees and has done a 180 change. Why not wish the same for Israel? I recommend you to read some of the commentary from Yuval Harari (Author of Sapiens). I learned a lot about Israeli situation from him and he seems to me extremely objective, Yellow type of person, at least when it comes to politics. Personally if I was Israeli I would be out in the streets right now protesting about the country's situation. PS: I am not saying Israel is in such a bad spot as Nazi Germany was, but it is an example most people would understand since it is common historical knowledge.

Issue with this thinking is that it is the same rationale terrorists use. 9/11 had the same logic, "ALL Americans are responsible for Arab mess". Even Hamas, when they killed civilians in October 7th, they probably said "These people live in our land, they are thieves that never did anything against Israel that kills us, they are also responsible and therefore should suffer and die". It creates evil.

@royce Damn, even one of the few redeemable things I thought Israel had could be not true? I know their current fascist party is probably down for discriminatory policies against non Jews but is this historical? I think their current Neo Nazi party government will soon be gone and replaced by a more moderate one. By Neo Nazi I am talking about Ben Gvir, smotricht, bibi etc.

Thats great but I never claimed here Israel treats the Arabs living in Israel poorly. Issue is how they treat West Bank and Gaza. That is where they do genocide and illegal settlements. I am sure in Israel life is good. Although I did read a scary report of Ethiopian Jews being given contraceptives' without their consent which could dictate racism. Also I have been told that many Israelis are very racist by friends of mine that went there. However this is just reports of a few people so cannot take it on face value. To be frank Arabs are also quite racist so it is how that region works. But never saw them give contraceptives, that is too much. Racist attitude is a thing though. The Ethiopian Jew thing is proved though (and firstly denied like always by Israel) Ethiopian women in Israel 'given contraceptive without consent' | Israel | The Guardian

Are these Arab Muslims or Arab Jews? Apparently 8 foreign citizens were killed while performing humanitarian aid work for starving people. Latest IDF war crime