Karmadhi

@Bobby_2021 The entire war cabinet of Israel should be hanged for crimes against humanity. Bring bang hanging

@Merkabah Star Just remember that when everyone shits on Biden for unwavering support of Israel, remember Trump is far worse regarding this issue.

Like Judaism or Christianity is better lol

Do you think he is objective or bit Anti US? I have seen tons of stuff and he criticizes a ton the US. But i rarely see him criticize Russia or Putin for example. USA are not angels but Russia is neither. Or is his job to point out the US bs since he is from there?

Goes both ways. NATO also provokes. Unfortunately Russian and especially Soviet occupation and influence were so disastrous historically, that is has left these countries traumatized and downright Russian phobic. Hence they see all Russia does as bad. I know because my country used to be a Soviet puppet (but it broke down much much earlier than 1991) 2. Regarding your second point, I saw that Russia in the 1990s opened up the West and had horrible consequences. Their economy went to total shit. Only after Putin did things start to improve. So probably Putin viewed that as a mistake and that Russia has to do its own thing. Also he tried to join NATO and NATO did not take that well. So to me Putin seems like that guy that tried to join the cool people s group, was shunned down and now is a bit bitter and wants to make his own cool kids group

@Merkabah Star And to think he is a Jew too! Shows there is hope out there. I am very impressed by American Jews support for this. It shows to me that Israel brainwashing is so strong more than anything else, when people from the same group go against their actions

If governments wont do anything to stop a genocide, It is up to the citizens to do it. Beautiful thing they are doing. Massive support Israel needs to be cancelled as a country and left alone

How come if Hamas is so much prone to killing civilians the ratio between civilians and soldiers killed is quite similar. Hamas killed 2x civilians than soldiers, you claim IDF is similar. You also called such a ratio 'acceptable in war". If Hamas cared about killing civilians so much, wouldnt the ratio be like 10x more civilians than soldiers? Also dont you think some of the civilians dead, got caught in the crossfire? I mean IDF killed 3 Israeli hostages in Gaza because on the heat of the moment people make mistakes and stuff happens. Perhaps some of those 800 confirmed civilians died during the fighting between IDF and Hamas? If IDF did such mistakes in Gaza, why not here too? We still lack proof of how many were massacred without restraint compared to how many died in crossfires. I am not denying some civilians were intentionally targeted and massacred, but we lack the concrete number. Perhaps it is 300? 100? 500? Who knows...

Gaza is close to 15.000 kids. I did not see such numbers anywhere else. So number wise and proportion wise it is much worse. The only war that comes close recent times is Syrian war and especially the Chechen war (in terms of proportions). It is not just ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Close to 2% of the ENTIRE population of Gaza has died. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Turkmen_genocide#:~:text=The Iraqi Turkmen genocide refers,of their land in Iraq. It is genocide this one in Turkemnistan. Did not know. Thanks for sharing. Also time matters, Gaza is 6 months. The other conflicts are years long. Ukraine is 2 plus years, Turkmenistan happened in 3 years and Tibet has been going on for decades. So time lenght matters do. I think Ukraine and Tibet are indeed ethnic cleansings. But Gaza to me is now more on genocide than ethnic cleansing. Especially with the man made famine happening. Same for Rohinyga (indeed genocide). Note: I am not discounting that all these conflicts were horrible and should stop. But they are in different leagues of brutality and overall carnage, that is all I meant.

Totally agree with you.

@Bobby_2021 Is this guy to be trusted? He seems like a more extreme Mearsheimer to me. I really like Mearsheimer but this guy could not even name 1 bad thing to say about Putin. Seems a bit biased to me. But I do trust him when he says US is to be blamed for this too. They clearly care more about hurting Russia than helping Ukraine.

Joe Biden, Macron and Schultz are right wing? Ok got it. Because they are the genocide supporters I see here.

I love how the 300 pages thread about this conflict was closed by Leo and now we have a new thread, basically rebranded where the same people say the same things with barely any agreements. Humans are hilarious.

I am talking about the hypocrisy of not calling out war crimes when specific countries do it. Not about BRICS or anything like that. Countless Western governments are not right governments and still they do not call out Israel's crimes. USA, Netherlands, Germany, France being prime examples. Right now none of these countries have right wing governments yet they did what I wrote above. So I will repeat my question: Why the mass graves and massacres committed by Israel against Palestinians are not condemned by the non right wing Western governments (France, Germany, USA, Netherlands) like the massacres committed by Russians against Ukrainians.

Can does not mean they do in real life. I am only referring to discussions I had in real life. I never take online stuff into account. Purely in person talks with people I met in real life. Keep in mind we are different generations, I am 25 year old and most people I interact with are 28 and younger. Hence they tend to skew into more radical green. I am sure people that are 30+ may be more reasonable. But with people my age, I had the type of conversations that we had. Also sometimes they will agree on some gender differences but discount others. Like they might say that "Men are more risk takers" but then will discount the fact that "Men are more visual than women". It is somewhat random. I literally had a 18 year old girl (I was like 20 at the time): "The only difference between us is that you have a penis and I have a vagina". But to be honest she was quite extreme. This is what I am dealing with in my everyday life. The most common is agreeing on some specific gender differences but discounting most of the others. This I notice a TON. And I interacted with dozens and dozens of girls that identify as liberals which I met in every day life (I do not go to feminist rallies or anything). Most were from university and expats. It is a pretty decent pool size. Not 5 people. I live in a pretty Green European Western city, not in the US. Just for clarification.

@Bobby_2021 John Mearsheimer is a breath of fresh air. Very smart guy that predicted this war 10 years ago

@BlueOak I saw that when Russians did a massacre in Bucha (killing around 100 to 200 people) it got worldwide condemnation and the West was super angry and sad about it. I also saw some days ago in Gaza they found a mass graves consisting of hundreds of Palestininas, many had their hands tied meaning they were excecuted. How come no condemnation and Bucha treatment? Similar acts, similar death toll, one nobody hears about in terms of condemnation and the other the whole West says is horrible. Why? You seem pro Western so how can you explain this to me?

@BlueOak @Bobby_2021 One question you need to answer is this; "If NATO made it clear that they WILL NOT accept Ukraine and Ukraine kept a neutral government, a non anti Russian one, would have Russia still invaded Ukraine"? That is the core question here. If they actually want Ukraine and all the NATO expansion is an alibi, the answer is yes. They would have invaded Ukraine anyway because it is not about NATO but it is about getting that land into Russian territory. If the answer is no, so we would not have had a war. Then the war is about NATO expansion and Ukraine being a pro Western country, opposite of a pro Russian one. So what do you two think? Lets get to the core here.

So why Russia would? You seem to make Putin seem like a crazy guy. Putin is very smart and calculating, he will not do anything that will end the planet. All Europe has to do is show strong will and he will back off. It is irrelevant what Bulgaria or Slovakia want. They are not the ones with Nukes or strong military. UK for example has a strong army and nuclear weapons. You said yourself they have a strong will to fight. That is what matters. Not weak countries. Poland is ready to fight too. Not to mention France. If Putin takes Ukraine and Moldova, I doubt he will invade any more in Europe. Also considering it will take Russia years to military recover and prepare and he is already quite old. We can give those non Nato members aid for sure, but sending troops is risking a war that can be avoided. I would rather play it safe. But that is just my opinion, I am not an expert.

Good luck getting the liberal green people to accept these courses. I live in a liberal green city and just saying that "men tend to prefer more technical fields like engineering" will get you labeled as a sexist and patriarchal. It happened to me countless, countless times until I gave up. I have read "Way of the Superior Man". it is amaizing book. But it is too radical to be taught to a green audience. Such book would work way better to a blue or orange audience. Most green people tend to demonize gender differences to the point where they downright ignore they even exist.

@Nivsch Mass murdering childreen and torturing men does take a toll on you for sure. Nazis also often resulted to alcoholism and depression after carrying out their atrocities during WW2. Dehumanization and hatred of the other will only carry you so far. When you see a mass grave filled with kids it will destroy you even if you see those kids as "vermin" (language used by Israel towards Palestinian kids).

What if we threaten Russia to nuke their forces if they move in NATO and do not intervene if non NATO countries get attacked (just give them aid). Russia is not stupid to attack NATO. I understand the legal concerns of them annexing other countries but it is not worth risk WW3 imo. If Russia moves in on NATO then we can easily use tactical nukes against their forces (not cities). It should cripple them harshly. Issue is when they they attack countries without nuclear weapons but luckily NATO has them and in the thousands. The idea of NATO troops dying to defend a non NATO country is insane to me. What is the point of NATO then if everyone can be protected? Aid is one thing but putting troops is basically heavy provocation. To me that should only be done for NATO members. @BlueOak Thoughts?

Europe is definitely USA's bitch Look at how scared they are of Israel just because USA is strong ally with it. If they had a truly independent foreign policy they would have cut out ties with Israel by now and called out their consistent war crimes. He is more complex than "Putler" or "crazy dictator" as CNN or Piers Morgan portrays him. I do not like him per say but he is complex character worthy of studying. Leo has sent some good videos on his blog for this. Europeans are weak and lack resolve. All their money is useless without resolve. We saw it with France during WW2. They surrendered after 6 weeks even though they had a strong army. They preferred to give up Paris (the fucking capital), rather than risk it turning into a battleground. If they had fought like the Soviets did, perhaps WW2 would have ended much earlier (we can just speculate). Also, if the Soviets gave up as easily as France did, Axis would have won WW2. So resolve is super important and Europeans tend to lack it. It is the result (imo) of decaying nationalism and comfortable lives. Wars require a degree of nationalism to be fought which is currently missing, especially in Western Europe. Poland would be exception.

You are conveniently ignoring one very important detail. Russia has 4 times the population of Ukraine, meaning it is much better at absorbing human looses. From all the research I have done the ratio is around 50% more Russians killed, Ukraine needs a 400% ratio to even break even. It is similar to WW2 eastern front. Nazis killed on average 2 times more Soviets soldiers than they lost soldiers but because of the population difference, they were over ran in the end. Even though the production up to 1944 was very high for Germany (mostly due to slave labor properly used by Albert Speer) what happened is that all the new planes, tanks etc had nobody to use them. Ukraine, even if they can hold 2-3 years more war, will be totally destroyed from a human capital point of view. They have lost like 50.000 young people or something that have fled Ukraine. Russia has yet to do a proper mobilization. Meanwhile Ukraine snatches people from the street. If they want to fight it is their right but "lets continue the war until Putin dies 5 years from now" is super selfish and basically you expect the Ukranian youth to do all the dying for you. They tried in 2023 and it failed. Russian defenses were really good. What this aid will do is just allow them not to be pushed anymore but liberating territory is another matter. They managed to do it in 2022 because Russia was over extended (their whole invasion force was very small) and lack of proper defenses. Also their tactics have improved in time. In 2023 they tried and it failed with massive looses from Ukraine. And Ukraine already had like 50 billion military aid from USA. So I am not optimistic this will happen this time. Russia has seriously stepped up production and is also getting weapons from its allies. Europe production is falling flat on what is needed. However the aid will definetly allow Ukraine to fight without collapsing. But liberating the country seems not feasible to me. We agreed that defending is easier and attacking requires superior numbers which Ukraine seems to lack. What do you think?

I was being sarcastic since that is the justification Israel uses to commit genocide